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No Syracuse schadenfreude?

I said this on another thread but it seems like it belongs here. Syracuse have become the new Washington Generals,. The ACC pays them good money so they can beat Syracuse up.
 
LwrcasefaN said:
So...you're saying you understand why Syracuse and other BE teams...chose the ACC. It was a wiser long-term solution versus clinging to sentimental rivalries or concerns about being beaten up in another conference. I think schools have to be creative and loyal to themselves...FIRST. Notre Dame trumpeted the rewards of being independent, BUT as soon as they saw the books...SOME of their teams joined the ACC. CT is a public school as opposed to some of the others. Certainly, that has to be taken into consideration when they are planning and making moves. Probably a handicap...and rightfully so. I mean...you're answering to a slightly different audience and I don't know about anyone else, but I'm very cognizant that the highest-paid state employees are basketball coaches!
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Who cares?
 
DaveHuskiesFan said:
....We won a championship the year they were last in the top 25. I think we fared better.
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I’m certainly no Syracuse fan. I can’t stand them as much as most on this board… but to insinuate we’ve done better than them the past 6-7 years is ludicrous because we won a title 8 years ago and have been ranked in Kenpom 25. They’ve won 8 ncaa tournament games since we last won the title. We’ve won 1.
 
That’s what happens when a program turns into a cult of a personality who has stayed 5 years too long. Who believes he is the program.
Cuse will be fine if they make the right hire.
He has done damage but it’s not irreversible. Cuse is a great job.
It’s an Ego thing successful people sometimes feel irreplaceable.
My mother who was forced to quit school to go to work at 14.
Had this old Italian saying to keep her well educated kids grounded and falling into that trap.
“quando muore un Papa lo sostituiscono con un altro”
It literally means “When one Pope dies they replace him with another“ We’re all replaceable.
 
EROCK CONN said:
I hate Syracuse as much as the next guy, but when Boeheim retires (hopefully in 84 years), and they hire the right coach, I think they will be fine.
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That "hiring the right coach" part isn't a given.
 
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UncleSpliff said:
I’m certainly no Syracuse fan. I can’t stand them as much as most on this board… but to insinuate we’ve done better than them the past 6-7 years is ludicrous because we won a title 8 years ago and have been ranked in Kenpom 25. They’ve won 8 ncaa tournament games since we last won the title. We’ve won 1.
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Yawn… The math is clear here:

4>1*
 
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UncleSpliff said:
I don’t think you understand the context….
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Sure, if you set an arbitrary date that only includes one of our national championships, then we’ve only had one national championship within that period. I don’t find it particularly convincing, but I understand it.
 
CL82 said:
Sure, if you set an arbitrary date that only includes one of our national championships, then we’ve only had one national championship within that period. I don’t find it particularly convincing, but I understand it.
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In the past 2 years, we’ve had more tournament appearances than Duke and Kentucky. Thereby were better than them.
 
August_West said:
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Here's the thing. I'm 45. I started watching UConn in 1988 or so. As far as I'm concerned, we've always been better than them.
 
CL82 said:
Sure, if you set an arbitrary date that only includes one of our national championships, then we’ve only had one national championship within that period. I don’t find it particularly convincing, but I understand it.
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I didn’t set the “arbitrary date”. I was replying to a thread which stated that “since our last title we’ve been ranked in the Kenpom 25 and Syracuse hasn’t therefore we’ve had more success than them.” Which even as Syracuse haters we can admit is a fallacy.
 
UncleSpliff said:
I didn’t set the “arbitrary date”. I was replying to a thread which stated that “since our last title we’ve been ranked in the Kenpom 25 and Syracuse hasn’t therefore we’ve had more success than them.” Which even as Syracuse haters we can admit is a fallacy.
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What thread? This thread? This was the first post in this thread:
Beaner said:
Based on what I observed in chat, I was sure there’d be a thread on this. After taking a peek at their board, I’m overwhelmed with gratitude for the state of our program. This may be sacrilege, but I kinda feel bad for their fan base. What an unmitigated mess.
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It was talking about the meltdown on the Syracuse fan forum given their miserable season and their overall discontent with their teams over population of Beoheims.
 
I think the job is good still at Syracuse, but there is also good reason to question if Jim is tarnishing the brand over these past few years.

Calhoun left here winning 73% of his games in his last 9 years here.

In the last 9 years at Syracuse, since them joining the ACC, JB has won less than 62% of their games.

I think the argument about relevancy and such over the past few years is one element, but there’s also argument to be had as to the state in which your legend coach leaves the program.
 
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Not from me. I graduated from UConn in 93. Back in the earlier 90s, (until 1996) all I'd hear from friends from ACC schools is that the Big East was a mid-major conference, that the WAC was a better conference, etc.

Why? Because the BE kept choking in the NCAA tourney (see Syracuse vs Richmond, or UConn vs Florida). No F4 team since 1989, etc. The only teams in the BE that consistently had a chance at making tourney runs from 1990-1995 were us and Cuse. Then Cuse mad the F4 in 96, and UConn won it all in 99. The ONLY 2 teams to represent the BE in the 90s. Bottom line is I spent too much time cheering Cuse in the tourney (for the sake of the BE) to hate on them.

Personally I'd like to play them once a year. Traditionally worthy rivals. If they become a bottom feeders what's the point of hating on them? Sadly Boeheim reminds me of Chaney at Temple, and Knight at Indiana. Great coaches that were the face of their programs that lost their touch at the end. Specifically, the recruiting touch. It's hard to have a great team if you don't have the horses.
 
Five pages now. Wow.

Sometimes when you're walking along on a cold winter night, and you come across a dumpster fire, you just enjoy the heat, and the light. You rub your cold hands by the fire, and just experience the moment. No thought, no analysis necessary. It's just about as perfect as things can get in an imperfect world.
 
@LwrcasefaN should go to the Syracuse board and let them all know that the school made the right choice because it’s in a much better financial situation because they are in the ACC. They will probably all feel better at that point and be glad they aren’t in the top 25.
 
Jbirdp5 said:
@LwrcasefaN should go to the Syracuse board and let them all know that the school made the right choice because it’s in a much better financial situation because they are in the ACC. They will probably all feel better at that point and be glad they aren’t in the top 25.
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And maybe you should act as if you've been in the top 25 before. I'm not here to make you feel better or anyone else. If you want to talk basketball, the game...all of it, like an ADULT just let me know. You folks do a lot of yapping, but you get all upset when confronted with facts and opposing views. I find echo chambers to be of no use.
 
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LwrcasefaN said:
And maybe you should act as if you've been in the top 25 before. I'm not here to make you feel better or anyone else. If you want to talk basketball, the game...all of it, like an ADULT just let me know. You folks do a lot of yapping, but you get all upset when confronted with facts and opposing views. I find echo chambers to be of no use.
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But you don’t want to talk basketball. This whole thread you keep bringing up the bottom line of the athletic departments nothing about on the court. Your just so proud of Syracuse for getting a big paycheck and how smart they are for joining s league that has slowly taken away their prominent place in college basketball. As a fan I would not want to trade wins and relevance for a payday.
 
Jbirdp5 said:
But you don’t want to talk basketball. This whole thread you keep bringing up the bottom line of the athletic departments nothing about on the court. Your just so proud of Syracuse for getting a big paycheck and how smart they are for joining s league that has slowly taken away their prominent place in college basketball. As a fan I would not want to trade wins and relevance for a payday.
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No...you don't think it relates to basketball and basketball decisions. If you want to complain about other schools, not just Syracuse and their decision to leave the BE, then why wouldn't the topic of revenue come up? It's not a trick question. It's shallow to think that the decision was made because of what fans wanted. Basketball, and any revenue sport, does not exist in a vacuum. If you want to believe that because it's as far as you would like to take the discussion. cool, but don't act as if it has nothing to do with basketball. Fans don't make these decisions. Administrators do and their job is not to be a fan. And their allegiance isn't to another school or a conference. It's just really hypocritical to go on tired rants about a school seeking what's best for them, even if it's money when UCONN would have done the same ...if the opportunity presented itself. Now, if you or anyone else is offended by this reality....move on. Syracuse has one national title, under the same coach, in the past 45 years. Don't get me wrong, it's been a joy to watch, but my idea of prominent and yours are different. UCONN and Tennessee wbb is prominent by my standards. I enjoy basketball, but it's in the end...entertainment. And like any other form of entertainment, what you see on the court...is a marketing illusion...aka part of a business. If the sport was anything more than a revenue stream...they would have moved on from Boeheim. But they haven't because...they are satisfied with him winning ENOUGH games so that it is an asset and not a liability. Why is it okay for folks to talk about the evil ESPN and conference realigning in every other thread, but it's somehow taboo when it comes to finances and how it impacts operational decisions and outcomes?
 
LwrcasefaN said:
No...you don't think it relates to basketball and basketball decisions. If you want to complain about other schools, not just Syracuse and their decision to leave the BE, then why wouldn't the topic of revenue come up? It's not a trick question. It's shallow to think that the decision was made because of what fans wanted. Basketball, and any revenue sport, does not exist in a vacuum. If you want to believe that because it's as far as you would like to take the discussion. cool, but don't act as if it has nothing to do with basketball. Fans don't make these decisions. Administrators do and their job is not to be a fan. And their allegiance isn't to another school or a conference. It's just really hypocritical to go on tired rants about a school seeking what's best for them, even if it's money when UCONN would have done the same ...if the opportunity presented itself. Now, if you or anyone else is offended by this reality....move on. Syracuse has one national title, under the same coach, in the past 45 years. Don't get me wrong, it's been a joy to watch, but my idea of prominent and yours are different. UCONN and Tennessee wbb is prominent by my standards. I enjoy basketball, but it's in the end...entertainment. And like any other form of entertainment, what you see on the court...is a marketing illusion...aka part of a business. If the sport was anything more than a revenue stream...they would have moved on from Boeheim. But they haven't because...they are satisfied with him winning ENOUGH games so that it is an asset and not a liability. Why is it okay for folks to talk about the evil ESPN and conference realigning in every other thread, but it's somehow taboo when it comes to finances and how it impacts operational decisions and outcomes?
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I really think Waquoit has it right. You're just a bore
 
HitDog said:
I really think Waquoit has it right. You're just a bore
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Don't you have a tiktok video you can go watch? You know...something shiny? If you want to talk "on court" basketball....here's a suggestion. Go find one that starts out....talking about... on-court basketball.
 
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