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upstater said:
I would make one rule change right now. Let players return to college after the NBA draft if they still have eligibility. The sport needs more chaos
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Hypothetically, Sanogo could have a great year for us but still not be an nba first rounder, though it would be a good opportunity for him to leave anyway to develop in a more similar system to the nba like the g-league or even on a roster as a second round pick.

The NIL opportunity would be to keep him at uconn for his senior year for 500k or something. He fits into the category of player that could really benefit from this by making serious money, while uconn also benefits by getting an extra year of an all American type player.
 
bendm said:
www.on3.com

John Calipari slams NIL demands with transfer portal targets

John Calipari made it clear that players looking for financial guarantees will not be recruited by Kentucky moving forward.
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“The problem is the name, image and likeness should not be a part of it and it’s become a part of it,” Calipari said. “And if anybody is talking to me about name, image and likeness as part of the transfer, I’m not really interested.”

Players don’t sign with Kentucky for money, Calipari says. They sign with this program to compete for titles and develop alongside other elite talent. If they’re looking for anything else, Lexington won’t be their next home.

You know it’s bad when it doesn’t sit well with calamari
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...Meanwhile Kentucky's best player, who is a transfer(!!), is the HIGHEST paid player in college.

Calipari is always so full of bullcrap. Such a snake
 
aburks41 said:
...Meanwhile Kentucky's best player, who is a transfer(!!), is the HIGHEST paid player in college.

Calipari is always so full of bullcrap. Such a snake
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Yeah, and as Huggy referred to, we know how that Tshiebwe transfer played out.

Hes sad hes got less of a competitive edge now. NBA soon?
 
tcf15 said:
Pretty sure they already do, with the caveat that they need to have participated in the NBA Combine in order to return to college - Link
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Oh, I'm not talking about undrafted players. I'm talking about a system like with College Hockey. Players that are taken by teams.

I'm just trying to add to the chaos.
 
This is all pure craziness
NIL and the xfer portal is death to college athletics as we knew it. I guess if the majority of people like it - so be it.
To start, the NCAA should create a maximum amount of payout that is drastically below the $100,000 mark and limit number available per team. If players don't like it - try out for the pro leagues. One and done are bad enough. Coaches are going to become financial power brokers first and player development is going to be a second thought.
For a state school like UConn, where is this money going to come from? The state cannot pay this out of the budget without facing unfair bias towards athletes. I don't see an uncomplicated way this will work.
Maybe its time to revisit an expanded minor league system for the NBA and let the organizations pay the costs.
 
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This pretty much says it all.

“We’re funneling everything previously under-the-table over the table,” says one SEC staff member who spoke to SI under the condition of anonymity. “The big change is the numbers are going up. Before [NIL], you knew it was bulls--- if a kid came to you and said he was getting more than $50,000 from another school. Now, numbers that used to be bulls--- aren’t bulls--- anymore.

“Everything now comes down to how willing are your boosters and how rich are your boosters. You’re pretty much f----- if you don’t have the booster bank.”
 
gtcam said:
To start, the NCAA should create a maximum amount of payout that is drastically below the $100,000 mark and limit number available per team. If players don't like it - try out for the pro leagues.
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Please explain how the NCAA could possibly justify this while coaching salaries have no cap (look at Nick Saban's current compensation).
 
aburks41 said:
...Meanwhile Kentucky's best player, who is a transfer(!!), is the HIGHEST paid player in college.

Calipari is always so full of bullcrap. Such a snake
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Exactly, he just has more competition for the players he wants now so he doesn't like it. His spinning it as some moral stand is the height of hypocrisy as Oscar is counting stacks instead of getting drafted.
 
aburks41 said:
...Meanwhile Kentucky's best player, who is a transfer(!!), is the HIGHEST paid player in college.

Calipari is always so full of bullcrap. Such a snake
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He transferred before NIL and improved tremendously since he left WVU. It kinda proves his point perfectly tbh.
 
gtcam said:
This is all pure craziness
NIL and the xfer portal is death to college athletics as we knew it. I guess if the majority of people like it - so be it.
To start, the NCAA should create a maximum amount of payout that is drastically below the $100,000 mark and limit number available per team. If players don't like it - try out for the pro leagues. One and done are bad enough. Coaches are going to become financial power brokers first and player development is going to be a second thought.
For a state school like UConn, where is this money going to come from? The state cannot pay this out of the budget without facing unfair bias towards athletes. I don't see an uncomplicated way this will work.
Maybe its time to revisit an expanded minor league system for the NBA and let the organizations pay the costs.
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The money for every school is coming from wealthy boosters. No school is outright paying players, that's not allowed. So in UConn's case, or any other state school, the school will not be paying athletes and the state will not be paying athletes. If some UConn alum owns a car dealership and wants to put Andre's face on the back of every car he sells, then so be it. He can pay Andre as much as he wants. These big SEC schools just have enough fans/boosters that care enough to throw boat loads of money at these kids. It has nothing to do with how much money the school has.
 
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From the athletes perspective, I'm not seeing a ton of negatives to NIL/Transfer Portal.

Good players have lots of opportunity. That was probably a given. I think there was some concern that lesser players would forced out and not find a new home. It looks like our players that were struggling at UCONN found new homes.

Obviously we should wait a bit for dust to settle, but so far NIL/Transfer Portal looks good for the athletes.
 
Greedo said:
The money for every school is coming from wealthy boosters. No school is outright paying players, that's not allowed. So in UConn's case, or any other state school, the school will not be paying athletes and the state will not be paying athletes. If some UConn alum owns a car dealership and wants to put Andre's face on the back of every car he sells, then so be it. He can pay Andre as much as he wants. These big SEC schools just have enough fans/boosters that care enough to throw boat loads of money at these kids. It has nothing to do with how much money the school has.
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I like the Penn State idea. Get 10,000 fans to give $10 - $500 each per month to a collective. Maybe that would work here.
 
huskymedic said:
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This is the wording I've seen. They cannot offer:
"• NIL compensation contingent upon enrollment at a particular school. For example, institutions should not use NIL arrangements to improperly induce matriculation (e.g., guaranteeing a particular NIL opportunity upon enrollment);"

I'm not sure how the collectives would have receipts to show it's not contingent upon matriculation if the deals are negotiated and setup before commitment. Perhaps there is a creative way to negotiate the deal.
 
Schools that don’t have fanatic boosters to buy players in order to win will be hurt. But that was always the case. People with their head in the sand are exposed to what some of us have been saying for a long time. The only thing that has substantively changed with the NIL is that players have increased their negotiating power.

I’m in the minority but I believe this pay to play could have a silver lining. It could narrow the monetary discrepancy that currently exists between the conferences. At least I hope it does because the split by the power conferences was going to hurt most of those outside looking in. Personally given that UConn is on the outside it would kill college sports for me.

The theory is college sports is driven by football and those conferences with more eyes get higher valuations. So let’s evaluate this as a business model.

What will happen if boosters of smaller schools start competing to purchase some of the best players? How many players removed from circulation will it take to negatively impact the football “product” produced by the P5?

If that happens, a big if for sure, will that diminished product reduce the number of viewers and reduce media payments?

I don’t know if the rumor of a P5 college farm system is true or if P5 schools are trying to get fans to donate. If either or both are true it indicates to me that there is some concern by those conferences of a loss of control.
 
auror said:
This is the wording I've seen. They cannot offer:
"• NIL compensation contingent upon enrollment at a particular school. For example, institutions should not use NIL arrangements to improperly induce matriculation (e.g., guaranteeing a particular NIL opportunity upon enrollment);"

I'm not sure how the collectives would have receipts to show it's not contingent upon matriculation if the deals are negotiated and setup before commitment. Perhaps there is a creative way to negotiate the deal.
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So are they saying that Nijel Pack knew nothing about his $800,000, plus a car, NIL deal before he signed with Miami? A deal he inked seconds after signing with Miami. Sounds totally legit, right? :rolleyes:

 
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I have a theory on this: the big conferences are going to lead the way toward a regulated pay-for-play system. The NCAA is feckless, but Greg Sankey and the SEC are very powerful. They will lead the charge. I envision a system where schools pay their revenue sport athletes (m/w basketball, football) as unionized employees (the red states will acquiesce for this collegiate sports exception). Schools will have a salary cap for each individual sport-but it will differ for every school based on their revenues (including student fees). Every school will be given a % of their revenue for that sport as an amount to spend on wages. Schools do not have to opt in but they will struggle mightily to recruit. Schools will no longer allowed to be involved in NIL at all. NIL collectives will be forbidden. If a player wants an NIL, he/she will either need to be proactive in the local community or hope some big company comes calling. The transfer portal will stay the same. I have no problem with that. The kids will be on one-year contracts with an option to renew yearly. Most of these kids will realize going forward that their older brothers and cousins and friends made a mistake by entering the portal and will not be so quick to do so.
 
XavierFan said:
Anything that changes the status quo of management getting 100% if the revenues is fine with me.
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The management also pays 100% of the costs. Only 1-2% of scholarship college athletes bring in revenue. Also, most schools lose money on athletics with the shortfall being made up by student fees.
 
NIL, as it is presently constituted, is going to be the OK Corral.

We're bringing a knife to a gun fight.
 
So the Ivy League could buy up the best quarterbacks and some receivers and really put on a show. Let's see what happens with Hockey.
 
auror said:
This is the wording I've seen. They cannot offer:
"• NIL compensation contingent upon enrollment at a particular school. For example, institutions should not use NIL arrangements to improperly induce matriculation (e.g., guaranteeing a particular NIL opportunity upon enrollment);"

I'm not sure how the collectives would have receipts to show it's not contingent upon matriculation if the deals are negotiated and setup before commitment. Perhaps there is a creative way to negotiate the deal.
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All this is doing is reiterating the stance the NCAA stated in the initial announcement about NIL being allowed (can't be contingent on school attended: boosters cannot recruit).

My interpretation (based on nearly a half century of watching how the NCAA behaves):

Schools with most favored nation status will be allowed to do what they want with little more than an occasional slap on the wrist. All others (guess where we fall) will be penalized severely for anything the NCAA can attempt to view as excessive use of NIL.
 
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shizzle787 said:
I have a theory on this: the big conferences are going to lead the way toward a regulated pay-for-play system. The NCAA is feckless, but Greg Sankey and the SEC are very powerful. They will lead the charge. I envision a system where schools pay their revenue sport athletes (m/w basketball, football) as unionized employees (the red states will acquiesce for this collegiate sports exception). Schools will have a salary cap for each individual sport-but it will differ for every school based on their revenues (including student fees). Every school will be given a % of their revenue for that sport as an amount to spend on wages. Schools do not have to opt in but they will struggle mightily to recruit. Schools will no longer allowed to be involved in NIL at all. NIL collectives will be forbidden. If a player wants an NIL, he/she will either need to be proactive in the local community or hope some big company comes calling. The transfer portal will stay the same. I have no problem with that. The kids will be on one-year contracts with an option to renew yearly. Most of these kids will realize going forward that their older brothers and cousins and friends made a mistake by entering the portal and will not be so quick to do so.
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You played Dungeons and Dragons as a kid, didn't you?
 
shizzle787 said:
The management also pays 100% of the costs. Only 1-2% of scholarship college athletes bring in revenue. Also, most schools lose money on athletics with the shortfall being made up by student fees.
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And yet NIL is showing there is obviously a market for the players beyond a scholarship. Shocking.
 
Kolumbo said:
So the Ivy League could buy up the best quarterbacks and some receivers and really put on a show. Let's see what happens with Hockey.
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Recruiting has tracked 1 to 1 with athletic budget for decades, this changes nothing.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
All this is doing is reiterating the stance the NCAA stated in the initial announcement about NIL being allowed (can't be contingent on school attended: boosters cannot recruit).

My interpretation (based on nearly a half century of watching how the NCAA behaves):

Schools with most favored nation status will be allowed to do what they want with little more than an occasional slap on the wrist. All others (guess where we fall) will be penalized severely for anything the NCAA can attempt to view as excessive use of NIL.
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Does this pertain to transfers also? Because that NIL deal with Nijel Pack and a Miami booster is obviously against those rules.

Shortly after his signing was announced, Life Wallet owner John H. Ruiz posted on Twitter that his company had inked Pack to an $800,000 NIL deal that includes a new car. It is the biggest NIL offer so far from Ruiz, whose deals with UM athletes are resulting in national publicity for his digital health care business that was launched in January.

 
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