New PAC-12 Forming

[CL82]

Or maybe football scheduling is more complicated than posting on a message board?

 

[Rufus]

Oregon State, Pac-12 Enter Agreement with FloWrestling for 2024/25 Season - Oregon State University Athletics

CORVALLIS, Ore. – Oregon State, along with the Pac-12 Conference, have entered into a broadcasting partnership with FloWrestling for the 2024-25 wrestling se...

osubeavers.com

 

[Rufus]

New study shows Sacramento would be second-largest market, economy in Pac-12

The study underscores Sacramento's potential to significantly enhance the Pac-12's footprint, highlighting its would-be position as the second-largest designated market area and the second-largest economy among conference markets.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[gioff2323]

New study shows Sacramento would be second-largest market, economy in Pac-12

The study underscores Sacramento's potential to significantly enhance the Pac-12's footprint, highlighting its would-be position as the second-largest designated market area and the second-largest economy among conference markets.

www.cbsnews.com

I love these studies. It’s like saying adding hunter college in nyc would enhance a conferences footprint in a highly desirable market.

 

[Patman]

I love these studies. It’s like saying adding hunter college in nyc would enhance a conferences footprint in a highly desirable market.

There is one pro team in Sacremento and the A's are just visiting. A D-1A school there would probably do well, this would be a good move if sac state wants to do it.

 

[freescooter]

There is one pro team in Sacremento and the A's are just visiting. A D-1A school there would probably do well, this would be a good move if sac state wants to do it.

It is probably like anything else. If they are good they’ll do fine. If not they’ll be Playing in front of friends and family.

 

[Rufus]

Gonzaga, meet the new Pac-12: What’s in store for the Bulldogs in 2026?

Two seasons from now, the college basketball power dynamics on the West Coast are set to shift drastically once the new look Pac-12 conference officially takes

www.si.com

 

[gioff2323]

There is one pro team in Sacremento and the A's are just visiting. A D-1A school there would probably do well, this would be a good move if sac state wants to do it.

As evidenced by huge crowds at UC Davis?

You can’t move from Memphis/Tulane/USF or even UNLV to Sac State and not expect folks to LoL

 

[Rufus]

Grand Canyon is joining the Mountain West in all sports but football. GCU just announced in May it was joining the WCC in 2025. So it will be a one year and done for the WCC.

Grand Canyon flips from WCC, to join MWC by '26

Grand Canyon will join the Mountain West Conference by at least 2026, the school and conference announced.

www.espn.com

 

[upstater]

Grand Canyon is joining the Mountain West in all sports but football. GCU just announced in May it was joining the WCC in 2025. So it will be a one year and done for the WCC.

Grand Canyon flips from WCC, to join MWC by '26

Grand Canyon will join the Mountain West Conference by at least 2026, the school and conference announced.

www.espn.com

The amazing thing is that people take this school seriously. It would not surprise me if it ceased to exist in a few years. How many times will it pay fines for charging students for non-degrees, lying to them, leaving them high and dry? They've been found guilty of racketeering! Would not surprise me if they go the way of Corinthian College and others.

 

[UCFBfan]

Grand Canyon is joining the Mountain West in all sports but football. GCU just announced in May it was joining the WCC in 2025. So it will be a one year and done for the WCC.

Grand Canyon flips from WCC, to join MWC by '26

Grand Canyon will join the Mountain West Conference by at least 2026, the school and conference announced.

www.espn.com

They're actually not even joining the WCC. They'll either stay in the WAC until end of 2025 or enter the MWC as early as 2025.

 

[Rufus]

They're actually not even joining the WCC. They'll either stay in the WAC until end of 2025 or enter the MWC as early as 2025.

I just now saw that -

MSN

 

[Rufus]

Funny for sure, but these decisions have nothing to do with how good a team is on the field.

MSN

College Football Program Trolls Potential Pac-12 Target After Stunning Upset Loss​

 

[Patman]

The amazing thing is that people take this school seriously. It would not surprise me if it ceased to exist in a few years. How many times will it pay fines for charging students for non-degrees, lying to them, leaving them high and dry? They've been found guilty of racketeering! Would not surprise me if they go the way of Corinthian College and others.

what do you mean by "non degrees"? And how does that differ from a traditional university?

 

[upstater]

what do you mean by "non degrees"? And how does that differ from a traditional university?

Fraud credentials. a lot of the for-profits are charging students for no-show credentials. They've been accused of racketeering.

How does that differ from a regular university? Well, it's illegal. There are all sorts of reporting/assessments in place to prevent this from happening. Unless you don't care and you're flouting the law.

Even worse, the entry of these corporate crook universities into the space has forced accreditors into the position of requiring these assessments from all universities and thereby wasting everyone's time on stuff that was never a problem before.

These are just unscrupulous actors making tens of millions off the Higher Education space.

 

[Patman]

Fraud credentials. a lot of the for-profits are charging students for no-show credentials. They've been accused of racketeering.

How does that differ from a regular university? Well, it's illegal. There are all sorts of reporting/assessments in place to prevent this from happening. Unless you don't care and you're flouting the law.

Even worse, the entry of these corporate crook universities into the space has forced accreditors into the position of requiring these assessments from all universities and thereby wasting everyone's time on stuff that was never a problem before.

These are just unscrupulous actors making tens of millions off the Higher Education space.

GCU is not the same as DeVry just because they're for profit. Yes, what you have listed has happened in the past.

I get that you're in higher ed but since you are in higher ed you know that every case must be evaluating each case individually.

You did not answer my question. You did not differentiate that from a traditional university. Maybe the problem you stated is ill-posed?

Reality is the knives have been long drawn for GCU and if it were the case they would have been stabbed by now.

 

[upstater]

GCU is not the same as DeVry just because they're for profit. Yes, what you have listed has happened in the past.

I get that you're in higher ed but since you are in higher ed you know that every case must be evaluating each case individually.

You did not answer my question. You did not differentiate that from a traditional university. Maybe the problem you stated is ill-posed?

Reality is the knives have been long drawn for GCU and if it were the case they would have been stabbed by now.

Not sure what you're asking.

They have had multiple federal cases against them.

I didn't differentiate what from a traditional university? I mentioned they got in trouble with credentials.

 

[NoSpamHere]

Many of these “non-profit” Universities (that means you, Ivy League, etc…) have 10 figure endowment funds, which really makes them hedge funds with an education division as opposed to their original purpose.

 

[Patman]

Many of these “non-profit” Universities (that means you, Ivy League, etc…) have 10 figure endowment funds, which really makes them hedge funds with an education division as opposed to their original purpose.

reality is the system protects them. I'm not a fan of Grand Canyon but if they were truly a bad place they would have grounded into dust by now. Especially because of their size and prominence

 

[Fishy]

New study shows Sacramento would be second-largest market, economy in Pac-12

The study underscores Sacramento's potential to significantly enhance the Pac-12's footprint, highlighting its would-be position as the second-largest designated market area and the second-largest economy among conference markets.

www.cbsnews.com

Sacramento says Sacramento is really good.

Who cares? No one is buying Sac State’s cosplay here.

 

[upstater]

Many of these “non-profit” Universities (that means you, Ivy League, etc…) have 10 figure endowment funds, which really makes them hedge funds with an education division as opposed to their original purpose.

I'm not sure why you guys aren't understanding what I'm saying.

There's a huge difference between a school that uses its endowment to subsidize education for students (i.e. defray the cost of education) and a school who has been accused of defrauding students by not giving them what they're paying for.

These are on the polar opposite sides of the spectrum.

They are the exact opposite of each other.

One is extracting money from customers and not providing services, the other is subsidizing customers and providing services,.

 

[Kolumbo]

I don't care about issues at Grand Canyon U. With 100k students, that's an awful lot of diplomas being handed out so I'd have to think GCU is correcting issues it has. Too many students to just say your diploma is worthless. UNC was fraudulent with fake classes but it gets a pass. I read ASU wouldn't play GCU in athletics but changed course in 2020. If anything, GCU seems to be growing quickly. Take a peek at Googlemaps and you see block after block of brand-new buildings right there in the northwest corner of Pheonix.

 

[Kolumbo]

Many of these “non-profit” Universities (that means you, Ivy League, etc…) have 10 figure endowment funds, which really makes them hedge funds with an education division as opposed to their original purpose.

and 11 figure and that's a great take on what they do. Harvard has $50,000,000,000, Yale $42,000,000,000. They could provide free tuition to all students just using interest earned or capital gains on endowment while pumping out future millionaires to keep funding the endowment. Lots of hedgefund managers sucking on those Ivy teets.

 

[upstater]

and 11 figure and that's a great take on what they do. Harvard has $50,000,000,000, Yale $42,000,000,000. They could provide free tuition to all students just using interest earned or capital gains on endowment while pumping out future millionaires to keep funding the endowment. Lots of hedgefund managers sucking on those Ivy teets.

??

They do!

Anyone making under $150k doesn't pay, and then after that, the tuition charges are gradual.

 

[NoSpamHere]

I'm not sure why you guys aren't understanding what I'm saying.

There's a huge difference between a school that uses its endowment to subsidize education for students (i.e. defray the cost of education) and a school who has been accused of defrauding students by not giving them what they're paying for.

These are on the polar opposite sides of the spectrum.

They are the exact opposite of each other.

One is extracting money from customers and not providing services, the other is subsidizing customers and providing services,.

Don’t disagree. I just happened to hook on the idea that non-profit and for-profit aren‘t relevant to the concept of fraud.