New court filings name former UConn standouts Rodney Purvis, Sterling Gibbs, Terry Larrier in Kevin Ollie case

[Madmannsucks]

The only hate I spewed toward Ollie had to do with his lack of player development and his incompetence as an in-game coach. I never touched the off-court stuff.

As I’ve said many times, I think UConn deserves plenty of criticism for letting this situation get this far, but I also never understood the mindset that they should’ve just paid Ollie all the money when they knew they had a strong legal case. But it’s a two-way street, and there’s plenty of blame both ways for them not having settled.

Where it really turned for me is when Ollie decided to claim race had anything to do with his firing. Obviously it was his lawyers pushing for this approach, but he could’ve put a stop to it at any point.

Because you have many here saying how could he claim racism as it is a different administration-Oh, well it is the same university. 2 coaches with similar (or even lesser for Ollie) violations. One suspended by NCAA and REHIRED by the same organization-one fired. One black, one white each treated differently. I don't know...lets see where this could end up.
And he has never said race has anything to do with his firing-he said he was treated differently than other coaches who were white.
Those are 2 distinctly different things.

 

[Madmannsucks]

So some of you think there is nothing to lose by going scorched Earth. How about this. What if UConn countersued for wrongly being accused of racism. Imagine KO ending up with -1M.

What he alleged is he was treated differently for the same (or in his case lesser)violations. Good luck with your "countersuit"...laughable.

 

[CL82]

Could be depending on how they obtained the info and what they did with it. In my view he deserves something, maybe not the full 10 but in my view at least 5

What do you base that on Kathy? Serious question.

Under the contract once there is a finding by the NCAA or UConn that he violated NCAA or UConn rules his contract terminates. All he is owed is what he would have gotten paid during a notice period. Something like 400K-600k.

 

[CL82]

What he alleged is he was treated differently for the same (or in his case lesser)violations. Good luck with your "countersuit"...laughable.

How do you figure KO's violations are lesser? I don't so I'm curious as to why you do.

 

[Engineer90]

What he alleged is he was treated differently for the same (or in his case lesser)violations. Good luck with your "countersuit"...laughable.

He alleged the reason was race. That is a serious accusation if he follows through on it. I would laugh if KO ends up with a negative settlement when he could have had 2.5M.

 

[Madmannsucks]

How do you figure KO's violations are lesser? I don't so I'm curious as to why you do.

Because first off, he has ONLY been accused...still open. 2nd They were all considered level 2 except the false or misleading information. At any rate he has been fired for allegations? Really?

 

[Madmannsucks]

He alleged the reason was race. That is a serious accusation if he follows through on it. I would laugh if KO ends up with a negative settlement when he could have had 2.5M.

And that is why your handle is Engineer90 and not Lawyer90.

 

[intlzncster]

So some of you think there is nothing to lose by going scorched Earth. How about this. What if UConn countersued for wrongly being accused of racism. Imagine KO ending up with -1M.

That would be the single worst move in the history of coach firings.

 

[selles]

And that is why your handle is Engineer90 and not Lawyer90.

Your handle's not lawyer either, just keep that in mind.

 

[intlzncster]

Because first off, he has ONLY been accused...still open. 2nd They were all considered level 2 except the false or misleading information. At any rate he has been fired for allegations? Really?

I was of the understanding that it is further along than that. The NCAA alleged. UCONN copped, fired Ollie, and self imposed sanctions. Now it's up to the NCAA to decide final penalties for UCONN and Ollie. Only thing left is the sentencing, no?

 

[UCDaveD]

Because you have many here saying how could he claim racism as it is a different administration-Oh, well it is the same university. 2 coaches with similar (or even lesser for Ollie) violations. One suspended by NCAA and REHIRED by the same organization-one fired. One black, one white each treated differently. I don't know...lets see where this could end up.
And he has never said race has anything to do with his firing-he said he was treated differently than other coaches who were white.
Those are 2 distinctly different things.

You can't just brush off the fact that every single one of the actors were different. Because President Hogan and AD Hathaway acted one way 7 years prior, current President Herbst and AD Benedict are somehow obligated to follow suit despite a completely different landscape? Utterly absurd. Ollie's meager appeal to race is as pathetic as his coaching.

 

[CL82]

Because first off, he has ONLY been accused...still open. 2nd They were all considered level 2 except the false or misleading information. At any rate he has been fired for allegations? Really?

You don't think paying for travel, meals and a hotel for 3 players to attend illegal training session is problematic. Check out the contract. If UConn determines their is a violation of rules the contract terminates. KO is about to get a show cause order from the NCAA. Did Calhoun ever get one?

 

[Alexa]

Nor should they pay him 10 million unless you want to foot the bill with the other Ollie apologist

What he alleged is he was treated differently for the same (or in his case lesser)violations. Good luck with your "countersuit"...laughable.

Because first off, he has ONLY been accused...still open. 2nd They were all considered level 2 except the false or misleading information. At any rate he has been fired for allegations? Really?

JC had a final report and was given a slap on the wrist. KO has open accusations and was fired without due process. Does that make it rasism, no. It became rasism the day KO was born black. That simple. If there is a minory involved and there is injustice or a claim of unequal treatment then we have to look at racism. Not saying that this equals racism but it definitely doesn’t exclude it. As a white man myself, I had to look in the mirror and ask myself am I a racist based on the privileged life I grew up in in CT and can I relate to someone from Compton that had to fight for everything his whole life and worked his ass off. I will say I’m not a rasist but I have to ask myself to see things from the other side. That’s all we can do as Americans and especially as Huskies.

 

[willie99]

Didn’t we just land AG around that time, who lived in Atlanta, hard to imagine he wasn’t involved as well?

He was injured at the time

 

[polycom]

JC had a final report and was given a slap on the wrist. KO has open accusations and was fired without due process. Does that make it rasism, no. It became rasism the day KO was born black. That simple. If there is a minory involved and there is injustice or a claim of unequal treatment then we have to look at racism. Not saying that this equals racism but it definitely doesn’t exclude it. As a white man myself, I had to look in the mirror and ask myself am I a racist based on the privileged life I grew up in in CT and can I relate to someone from Compton that had to fight for everything his whole life and worked his ass off. I will say I’m not a rasist but I have to ask myself to see things from the other side. That’s all we can do as Americans and especially as Huskies.

As a black man put your white knight away.

 

[Hoophound]

The best part of the BY is the juxtaposition between people obsessed with saving $80 on their cable bill and people talking about how they would walk away from $10 million dollars.

. That’s what I’ve been thinking for months. Great post. Lol.

 

[pj]

I’m no Ollie apologist but we know he had 4 pretty good players transfer at once and an all American decommit.

Part of the job of a coach is to keep players. The way to keep players is by proving you can coach them up and help them achieve their career goals. KO failed at that. We saw that failure in the won-loss record, in the eye test of quality of play, in the lack of player development, and in the transfers.

Look, Ollie was fired for two reasons -- poor performance and NCAA violations. The NCAA violations gave UConn the right ("cause") to stop paying him 6 months after he stopped working. There's nothing unfair about that. Ollie should either show he didn't commit NCAA violations, or go home.

 

[Madmannsucks]

As a black man put your white knight away.

Except he asks the question many are dodging. Ollie never claimed he was fired due his race. He alleges he was not treated the same as his white counter parts/predecessors. Those are 2 distinctly different things.

 

[Tenspro2002]

I’m no Ollie apologist but we know he had 4 pretty good players transfer at once and an all American decommit. He never had a healthy Gilbert and other horrific injuries. Ollie was forced to put together a roster overnight. The deck was stacked against him. He held his head high and didn’t make excuses. We on this board act as if we own Ollie and forget that he is a man. The way we turn our back on one of our own is disheartening. I was as uncomfortable as anyone to see Ray Allen have his jersey retired as he himself is in the middle of this # 2 show. This is how we do our own family to keep from paying Ollie. We have to compete against other universities for recruits, universities that are willing to do a lot more than take a couple of shots with a recruit to sign them. This is embarrassing and most on this board prefer to waddle in their own mud than to take a stand and have respect for one of our own!

Talking about 4 players transferring and another de-committing as if these are things that just happened to KO, as if he didn't have direct responsibility for those outcomes, is pretty much the textbook definition of "apologizing" for him.

He's not a great coach who fell on hard times. He was a bad coach who stopped putting in the effort, and likely committed NCAA violations along the way. His demeanor on the sidelines over the last 3-4 years I would hardly describe as "holding his head high".

If he were really interested in being an upstanding representative of the university, worthy of our respect, maybe he should have tried harder.

 

[Engineer90]

Except he asks the question many are dodging. Ollie never claimed he was fired due his race. He alleges he was not treated the same as his white counter parts/predecessors. Those are 2 distinctly different things.

No, they aren't. Once he brought race into it, he was insinuating racism. Being treated differently because of race is the actual definition of racism. If he wanted to just point out that UConn was inconsistent, he could have said that without pointing out the races of those involved.

 

[Engineer90]

JC had a final report and was given a slap on the wrist. KO has open accusations and was fired without due process. Does that make it rasism, no. It became rasism the day KO was born black. That simple. If there is a minory involved and there is injustice or a claim of unequal treatment then we have to look at racism. Not saying that this equals racism but it definitely doesn’t exclude it. As a white man myself, I had to look in the mirror and ask myself am I a racist based on the privileged life I grew up in in CT and can I relate to someone from Compton that had to fight for everything his whole life and worked his ass off. I will say I’m not a rasist but I have to ask myself to see things from the other side. That’s all we can do as Americans and especially as Huskies.

What the hell is rasism? I guess your privilege didn't include good schools that taught you how to spell. And can we stop with the victim crap? It is an insult to the people that worked hard and became successful without your pity and virtue signaling.

 

[Dogdeacon]

. That’s what I’ve been thinking for months. Great post. Lol.

What?! Why isn't the same true when the Ollie sychophants say UConn should pay Ollie millions for not coaching after inadequate coaching!?
On the one hand I will take fewer options to save $50/month, on the other hand just pay someone the equivalent of EIGHT THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED THIRTY THREE months of that (that's longer than Bobby Bonilla's contract I think) because it is the right thing to do.
Should one immediately cut their cable expenses when operating at a loss or pay the cable company a few thousand years worth of fees to go away?

But didn't the poor cable companies faithfully lay the lines down and bring the service to your doorstep? Now you are going to use their same painstakingly labored for internet lines to deprive them of their future earnings just because they overprice the services you realize are inadequate?

Kevin Ollie is James Dolan suing his dad's former customers in this scenario, only thing missing is the terrible 'rock' music.

 

[Madmannsucks]

What the hell is rasism? I guess your privilege didn't include good schools that taught you how to spell. And can we stop with the victim crap? It is an insult to the people that worked hard and became successful without your pity and virtue signaling.

Yeah...he is an insult to all those people that worked hard. How could he relate. Growing up in a single parent home in Compton. Playing hoops for 4 years at UConn while earning a degree. Bouncing around the CBA with a series of 10 day NBA contracts

Ollie was born in Dallas, Texas to parents Fletcher and Dorothy Ollie and grew up in the rough neighborhood of South Central Los Angeles. When Ollie was 7, his parents divorced and his father moved to Dallas. He spent summers there, cutting lawns and doing other odd jobs so he could be with him for some length of time.[3] His mother, a school teacher and ordained minister, raised him and his older sisters, Vita and Rhonda, by herself.[4

I know, how INSULTING.

I have been to South Central. It has taken many, many young lives along the way.


Although he was only in his second year of coaching, he started with a team subject to sanctions, unable to compete in the NCAA tournament, and still managed to complete the season with a 20–10 record, and followed that with a National Championship.[14]

Yup...again an INSULT.

 

[Alexa]

Part of the job of a coach is to keep players. The way to keep players is by proving you can coach them up and help them achieve their career goals. KO failed at that. We saw that failure in the won-loss record, in the eye test of quality of play, in the lack of player development, and in the transfers.

Look, Ollie was fired for two reasons -- poor performance and NCAA violations. The NCAA violations gave UConn the right ("cause") to stop paying him 6 months after he stopped working. There's nothing unfair about that. Ollie should either show he didn't commit NCAA violations, or go home.

I agree. Why do you think these players all transferred at once? Why did an all American recruit decommit? All of these players worked daily with a particular coach that was fired. A coach that obviously wanted to see the program fail. There were close relationships with those players and this coach. The writing is on the wall.

 

[Alexa]

Talking about 4 players transferring and another de-committing as if these are things that just happened to KO, as if he didn't have direct responsibility for those outcomes, is pretty much the textbook definition of "apologizing" for him.

He's not a great coach who fell on hard times. He was a bad coach who stopped putting in the effort, and likely committed NCAA violations along the way. His demeanor on the sidelines over the last 3-4 years I would hardly describe as "holding his head high".

If he were really interested in being an upstanding representative of the university, worthy of our respect, maybe he should have tried harder.

Did he really stop putting in the effort or is that the narrative on the BY. Do you know how many hours he worked at his craft? Are you with him daily? If you know these things do share.

 

[UConn_Top_Dog]

What the hell is rasism? I guess your privilege didn't include good schools that taught you how to spell. And can we stop with the victim crap? It is an insult to the people that worked hard and became successful without your pity and virtue signaling.

One can work hard all their life and still not be as successful as someone with a more favorable start they were born into. Being successful also requires a little luck and being at the right place at the right time. I believe KO had a combination of reasons went sour. Part of it was on him and part of it was being unlucky at the wrong place at the right time.

 

[Alexa]

No, they aren't. Once he brought race into it, he was insinuating racism. Being treated differently because of race is the actual definition of racism. If he wanted to just point out that UConn was inconsistent, he could have said that without pointing out the races of those involved.

Unfortunately, race is always involved. The way you all spew hate at Ollie is relentless. You all act as if he can’t have friends or a glass of wine. It’s pathetic. The treatment is unfair because there wasn’t due process. There were no findings, only allegations at this point. The prior coach had findings and was slapped on the wrist. We can’t see it because as the majority we are in a comfort zone. ADD was part of the crew that fired Tubby Smith at Minnesota, another of only 4 African American National Championship coaches. Also part of the crew that hired crooked Bruce Pearl at Auburn. Again, I’m no Ollie apologist but I have to look at the total picture. Racism can never be ruled out. Ollie wanted to get it on the record to have the opportunity to file a racial claim down the line. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Alexa]

One can work hard all their life and still not be as successful as someone with a more favorable start they were born into. Being successful also requires a little luck and being at the right place at the right time. I believe KO had a combination of reasons went sour. Part of it was on him and part of it was being unlucky at the wrong place at the right time.

Sorry, iPhone typos

 

[Alexa]

Sorry, iPhone typos

I totally agree. It’s good to read sensible posts here. We are Huskies, we need to handle accordingly.

 

[Alexa]

What the hell is rasism? I guess your privilege didn't include good schools that taught you how to spell. And can we stop with the victim crap? It is an insult to the people that worked hard and became successful without your pity and virtue signaling.

Sorry my friend, iPhone auto types the word that way. I do know it’s racism. Let’s not be upset here. I come in peace. We are all part of the Husky family.