New court filings name former UConn standouts Rodney Purvis, Sterling Gibbs, Terry Larrier in Kevin Ollie case

[tzznandrew]

That's a lot of loose connections without any tangible evidence.

I mean, that's a hell of a thing to think preseason last year. It took a while to get the NCAA ball rolling.

They had a ton of injuries the year before, and it could reasonably be argued that this is what caused the team's undoing.

What if they won the league? Would UCONN have fired him even so? If not, they would have completely shot themselves in the foot.

Seems like a hell of dice roll to me, but I guess.

I'm not pushing anything. If I were KO? Hell yeah I'd believe it. If you don't think that belief is partially why we're seeing this happen, I think you're missing a key factor.

 

[intlzncster]

Sure, but what’s the NCAA’s “show cause” Statute of Limitations? If the departed Ollie continues to drag his dispute out long enough, even some NCAA school eventually may conveniently ignore his NCAA infractions, purported dishonesty or misrepresentation of facts and look the other way regarding his sub-par coaching record with his own recruits, plead ignorance of players transferring, discount reports of decreased recruiting effort, ignore dubious game day coaching, etc.

Enough examples exist of desperate schools (and other organizations) forgetting past negative events of various sorts and clinging on hopes of replicating prior one-off positives. For example, Calamari, Pearl, Mackey, etc all.

The NCAA sets the 'statute of limitations' when it hands down it's 'show cause' penalty. They set each penalty on a case by case basis.

So for example, when Kelvin Sampson resigned from Indiana, the NCAA handed down a 5 year show cause penalty. After 5 years, it expired. And he was free to go where he wished. I've seen between 1 and 10 or so years, but don't hold me to that.

 

[intlzncster]

I'm not pushing anything. If I were KO? Hell yeah I'd believe it. If you don't think that belief is partially why we're seeing this happen, I think you're missing a key factor.

I'm sure he's thinking that. No argument there.

But I was originally pushing back on the idea that UCONN's choice to fire 'for cause' (ie get out of paying $10m)was killing his future career, as some were claiming.

It's not, it's all the externals that are doing that: future NCAA 'show cause' penalty, poor performance, the fact he mislead everybody, and most importantly, the fact that he is choosing to go scorched earth.

The only real argument is whether people think it's ethical of UCONN to try to get out of the contract or not, and whether KO should sue them for it.

And that's just personal opinion.

 

[auggie22]

I tend to believe there was a bit of a conspiracy. Miller. Check. JC hanging out with Hurley. Check. Did Uconn leak info to get this rolling-I think so. There were people close to the program who knew. It aint much of a reach.

Do you think it more likely that JC was “hanging out with Hurley” as part of the conspiracy or the fact he essentially lives in the same town as URI where his friend Tom Moore coached?

 

[August_West]

Do you think it more likely that JC was “hanging out with Hurley” as part of the conspiracy or the fact he essentially lives in the same town as URI where his friend Tom Moore coached?

Well I guess that depends if you believe Chief or not.

Chief contends JC was recruiting him.

 

[Madmannsucks]

Do you think it more likely that JC was “hanging out with Hurley” as part of the conspiracy or the fact he essentially lives in the same town as URI where his friend Tom Moore coached?

There are no coincidences. I don't know...but if I was Ollie, I would be connecting the dots. Maybe I just need to quit watching Blacklist.

 

[pj]

The best part of the BY is the juxtaposition between people obsessed with saving $80 on their cable bill and people talking about how they would walk away from $10 million dollars.

I haven't seen either of those. What I have seen:
- People wondering why every other school reaches a quick settlement with its fired coach, but UConn and Ollie didn't.
- People wondering why Ollie would walk away from (Chief says) a $2.5 million settlement opportunity when his expected value from fighting was much lower.
- People wondering why Ollie broke with Calhoun.

 

[intlzncster]

Well I guess that depends if you believe Chief or not.

Chief contends JC was recruiting him.

Wait, wait, wait....Did Chief order the Code Red?? All the pieces are starting to fit. Gag order etc....

 

[whaler11]

I haven't seen either of those. What I have seen:
- People wondering why every other school reaches a quick settlement with its fired coach, but UConn and Ollie didn't.
- People wondering why Ollie would walk away from (Chief says) a $2.5 million settlement opportunity when his expected value from fighting was much lower.
- People wondering why Ollie broke with Calhoun.

1. They don’t fire them for cause.
2. LOL
3. Would guess Ollie stopped listening when he won and there is some jealousy on Calhoun’s part that Ollie won. When Ollie won it changed the dynamic of the relationship - Calhoun didn’t get to be as alpha.

 

[whaler11]

Are you pushing the conspiracy angle here? Honest question.

The NCAA was knocking on UCONN's door almost towards the start of his last season no? (100s of hours of tape before January) It wasn't some big bust at the end of the year. These things move slow (it's the NCAA). At that point, he wasn't about to get chopped. Put it this way, if he had an amazing season, would he have been fired? I don't think so.

Are you saying the Glen Miller thing was under directive by UCONN? And that UCONN engineered this whole thing in the preseason with the idea they were firing Ollie no matter what? So Glen Miller preemptively went to the NCAA to start an investigation because UCONN ordered a code red? Or UCONN were the ones to tip off the NCAA? I'd be surprised, but maybe.

I tend to Occam's Razor it and think the NCAA got a tip off early in the season (perhaps preseason), and in the investigative interviews, Glen Miller went scorched earth, being bitter at being fired. Who tipped off and why is remains to be seen.

Did UCONN self report violations pre season and I missed it?

Think about how ridiculous hundreds of hours of tape is for, facetime, shooting baskets in pants and 3 kids maybe getting an tiny extra benefit for travel and lodging for a handful of days in Atlanta.

Every P5 program in the country has committed worse violations in the last 48 hours.

 

[whaler11]

If Calhoun wasn’t recruiting Hurley why the hell is he on the payroll?

 

[superjohn]

Think about how ridiculous hundreds of hours of tape is for, facetime, shooting baskets in pants and 3 kids maybe getting an tiny extra benefit for travel and lodging for a handful of days in Atlanta.

Every P5 program in the country has committed worse violations in the last 48 hours.

And we are the only school who was retroactively screwed for APR and only school truly screwed in conference realignment. Just because you don't think it's a big deal doesn't make it so, when it comes to UConn it's always a big deal.

 

[whaler11]

And we are the only school who was retroactively screwed for APR and only school truly screwed in conference realignment. Just because you don't think it's a big deal doesn't make it so, when it comes to UConn it's always a big deal.

You can’t follow CBB and claim those are major violations with a straight face.

Also, I’m not cheering on Glenn Miller the rat, so I’m not the one who wants to touch the NCAA stove. Since ol Glenn tried to pin much more serious violations on them that were invented in his wife’s head.

 

[superjohn]

You can’t follow CBB and claim those are major violations with a straight face.

Also, I’m not cheering on Glenn Miller the rat, so I’m not the one who wants to touch the NCAA stove. Since ol Glenn tried to pin much more serious violations on them that were invented in his wife’s head.

Of course they're not, my point was you can't sit there with a straight face and pretend the NCAA hasn't treated UConn differently than every other major program.

The Atlanta workouts thing isn't all that minor though. You know it isn't that's why in almost every post on this topic you leave that one out and just talk about Ray Allen talking on the phone.

 

[whaler11]

Of course they're not, my point was you can't sit there with a straight face and pretend the NCAA hasn't treated UConn differently than every other major program.

The Atlanta workouts thing isn't all that minor though. You know it isn't that's why in almost every post on this topic you leave that one out and just talk about Ray Allen talking on the phone.

Lol it’s nothing and it’s in the post you replied to.

Bagmen are going to jail with nothing happening to the coaches or schools - but weekend room and board isn’t minor.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

The Atlanta workouts thing isn't all that minor though.

You can't possibly believe this. Arizona is dropping bags of cash in hotel rooms.

 

[Madmannsucks]

I am troubled by the statement"He lied about it". At this point these are only allegations. Please stop presenting them as facts.

 

[superjohn]

You can't possibly believe this. Arizona is dropping bags of cash in hotel rooms.

Of course it should be minor but as we all know if the NCAA cared even a little about all the money flying around they would do something about shoe companies and AAU.

You're trying to assume reason and fairness to the NCAA, the fact is schools get dinged up for stuff like the Atlanta workouts and UConn is the NCAA's whipping boy. I didn't even bring up Ollie lying to the NCAA. Nothing is minor when it comes to UConn, you guys can stop pretending that isn't the case.

 

[superjohn]

Lol it’s nothing and it’s in the post you replied to.

Bagmen are going to jail with nothing happening to the coaches or schools - but weekend room and board isn’t minor.

That's why I said in almost every post. It's the first time I've even seen you mention it in regards to Ollie's violations.

 

[whaler11]

That's why I said in almost every post. It's the first time I've even seen you mention it in regards to Ollie's violations.

It’s not but it’s still nothing.

Ironically they fired him for ‘cheating’ when the huge investigation showed he was running one of the cleanest major programs in the country. A terrible basketball team but remarkably clean.

When trying to parse his motivations maybe consider that.

 

[superjohn]

It’s not but it’s still nothing.

Ironically they fired him for ‘cheating’ when the huge investigation showed he was running one of the cleanest major programs in the country. A terrible basketball team but remarkably clean.

When trying to parse his motivations maybe consider that.

Know the rules if you're going to sign that contract.

Probably cleaner han most majors but he hired Raphael Chillious.

 

[Kathy]

Know the rules if you're going to sign that contract.

Probably cleaner han most majors but he hired Raphael Chillious.

A hire as I recall that you praised!

 

[whaler11]

Know the rules if you're going to sign that contract.

Probably cleaner han most majors but he hired Raphael Chillious.

I’ve got no problem with people who want to bag him on the technicality if they are honest about it.

It’s just painful to act like firing him for cause isn’t well outside the norms of major college sports.

 

[superjohn]

A hire as I recall that you praised!

I'm sure I did, he got big time classes at Washington. He's a horrible coach but has always played the shoe game.

 

[whaler11]

I'm sure I did, he got big time classes at Washington. He's a horrible coach but has always played the shoe game.

So you don’t actually care about cheating and you don’t actually think the Atlanta trip is a major violation. Wasn’t that easy.

 

[Dogdeacon]

Here is a difference between Kevin Ollie and every other coach in any sport that has been fired over the past year. It is difficult to accept, but most eventually do and in so doing accept accountability.
from ESPN:
The finality of the decision hit Martelli hard.
"It's hard not to say with this handling, to not say, 'You know what, I failed,'" Martelli said. "That's been the hardest part for me, to get beyond the fact that I failed." Martelli said he had not made a decision on what he would do next but did say television and the NBA are not as close to his heart as coaching in college.
"I want, and in a way need, to be on a sideline," Martelli said. "Not to justify my career at Saint Joseph's -- to have an impact, on players, on a campus, on a student body."
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Two days later for Martelli after 25 years. One YEAR later following an over-indulgent 6 and Ollie & his sycophants aren't even to the part that he failed, much less being able to get beyond it. It is ONLY about what others did/do and get away with. Somehow this justifies two+ freakin' years of incompetency, lack of effort, errors & omissions that created violations, poor results, transfers, lack of player improvement and a myriad of contract violations and shortcomings.

 

[superjohn]

So you don’t actually care about cheating and you don’t actually think the Atlanta trip is a major violation. Wasn’t that easy.

I care about us being good. There is nothing worse than absolutely sucking while cheating.

I don't think the Atlanta thing should be a big deal but it's the type of thing programs have gotten dinged up for, it's something UConn could absolutely get dinged up for.

There is a ton of stuff I don't think is a big deal that the NCAA does think is a big deal and a whole bunch of stuff I think is a huge deal and they look the other way.

 

[Madmannsucks]

Here is a difference between Kevin Ollie and every other coach in any sport that has been fired over the past year. It is difficult to accept, but most eventually do and in so doing accept accountability.
from ESPN:
The finality of the decision hit Martelli hard.
"It's hard not to say with this handling, to not say, 'You know what, I failed,'" Martelli said. "That's been the hardest part for me, to get beyond the fact that I failed." Martelli said he had not made a decision on what he would do next but did say television and the NBA are not as close to his heart as coaching in college.
"I want, and in a way need, to be on a sideline," Martelli said. "Not to justify my career at Saint Joseph's -- to have an impact, on players, on a campus, on a student body."
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Two days later for Martelli after 25 years. One YEAR later following an over-indulgent 6 and Ollie & his sycophants aren't even to the part that he failed, much less being able to get beyond it. It is ONLY about what others did/do and get away with. Somehow this justifies two+ freakin' years of incompetency, lack of effort, errors & omissions that created violations, poor results, transfers, lack of player improvement and a myriad of contract violations and shortcomings.

So let's look at the real difference...Martelli, fired for performance.....KO.....fired for performance. At lease St Joes has the balls to call it what it was. So he CAN move on.

 

[UCDaveD]

A whole lot of whataboutism coming from the Ollie defenders.

 

[Tenspro2002]

So let's look at the real difference...Martelli, fired for performance.....KO.....fired for performance. At lease St Joes has the balls to call it what it was. So he CAN move on.

If Martelli had violated NCAA rules, and had a provision in his contract where he could be fired for cause and not paid if he violated NCAA rules, you bet St. Joe's would pursue that.

All the whining about the "real reason" UConn fired KO is irrelevant. He signed a contract with language that allowed UConn to not have to pay him if he was caught cheating. And, lo, he was caught cheating.

Everything else is PR.