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Jackie is sick. Her illness affected her play last game.

So, Vegas starts the game 14-0 and loses to L.A. They are now 5-4 and tied for 5th. Unreal!
 
Kate did great

A'ja still that girl

No comment on the rest

5-4 record says exactly who this team is--a crappy one that has no PG, no starting C, and no depth. No way the organization can stand pat. They have to start sending some of that dead weight home.
 
Kayla McBride is arguably the best 2 guard in the league thus far this year. Jackie Young still has better overall game, but she's been cold to start the season. The other star ND SGs (Arike/Jewel) are both starting the year out REAL streaky from the field.
I've said this before but Jackie is normally a three, when Gray is there. But she's been doing the lead in the pt. guard by committee rotation and that has to influence your game when it's not a natural part of it. As I've written, it's not sustainable over the long run.

As for K-Mac, agree totally with one caveat: she's the best two in the W and the Euro.
 
I mean what do want them to do? It’s likely only a couple more weeks before she returns. As long as she doesn’t get hurt at the Olympics they’ll be fine and likely cruise to a 3peat. This is the height of overreaction. They MIGHT (probably won’t) take a few more losses but they’ll still be a top 4 team and the team to beat come October.
Acquire a PG. I've been saying this.

Send some of those grifters on the bench home. They served their purpose in the past (except for Kierstan Bell--she has STUNK IT UP for her entire WNBA career and, honestly, should not be on a WNBA roster), but the stakes are much higher now. You can't carry players on the roster that serve as "culture pieces". Either they can play or they can't. If they can't, then pink slip them.

Becky also needs to apologize for not having this team ready for the season because WTF is this defense???? Her coaching this season has left much to be desired. The Aces FO needs to be called into question as well because this is the third season in a row that the team does not have a bench despite all the stars taking less money. They're not getting the job done.

Being 5-4 is an issue, but being 5-4 with losses to Atlanta, Phoenix (sans Griner), and LA (WTF???) is inexcusable.
 
It’s weird seeing the Aces in the middle of the standings after their dominant season last year. But Gray is a huge loss, and a lot of their problems get solved when she returns. Plus this loss to a bad Sparks team has an asterisk, Young out dealing with illness.

I do agree, they’ve made questionable choices to keep Bell and Colson on the roster. Both are pretty useless. But the acquisition of Hayes was a real steal. Plus drafting Martin seems like a great move in hindsight. They’ll also have Kitley next year who could get a look over Gustafson. But for now they look very mortal, but that could change quickly when Gray and Young slot back into the lineup.
 
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Acquire a PG. I've been saying this.

Send some of those grifters on the bench home. They served their purpose in the past (except for Kierstan Bell--she has STUNK IT UP for her entire WNBA career and, honestly, should not be on a WNBA roster), but the stakes are much higher now. You can't carry players on the roster that serve as "culture pieces". Either they can play or they can't. If they can't, then pink slip them.

Becky also needs to apologize for not having this team ready for the season because WTF is this defense???? Her coaching this season has left much to be desired. The Aces FO needs to be called into question as well because this is the third season in a row that the team does not have a bench despite all the stars taking less money. They're not getting the job done.

Being 5-4 is an issue, but being 5-4 with losses to Atlanta, Phoenix (sans Griner), and LA (WTF???) is inexcusable.
What point guards are available though? At least half the league needs a PG. And what trade capital does Vegas even have to trade for one with when they will just be sending said PG to the bench in a week or two
 
Kate did great

A'ja still that girl

No comment on the rest

5-4 record says exactly who this team is--a crappy one that has no PG, no starting C, and no depth. No way the organization can stand pat. They have to start sending some of that dead weight home.
Jackson had her way with Kate in the 4th.
 
It’s weird seeing the Aces in the middle of the standings after their dominant season last year. But Gray is a huge loss, and a lot of their problems get solved when she returns. Plus this loss to a bad Sparks team has an asterisk, Young out dealing with illness.

I do agree, they’ve made questionable choices to keep Bell and Colson on the roster. Both are pretty useless. But the acquisition of Hayes was a real steal. Plus drafting Martin seems like a great move in hindsight. They’ll also have Kitley next year who could get a look over Gustafson. But for now they look very mortal, but that could change quickly when Gray and Young slot back into the lineup.
I do like the Tip Hayes acquisition and think it will pay off eventually.

Despite the loss, the team doesn't seem to be down in the dumps--which could be a good thing.
 
It’s weird seeing the Aces in the middle of the standings after their dominant season last year. But Gray is a huge loss, and a lot of their problems get solved when she returns. Plus this loss to a bad Sparks team has an asterisk, Young out dealing with illness.

I do agree, they’ve made questionable choices to keep Bell and Colson on the roster. Both are pretty useless. But the acquisition of Hayes was a real steal. Plus drafting Martin seems like a great move in hindsight. They’ll also have Kitley next year who could get a look over Gustafson. But for now they look very mortal, but that could change quickly when Gray and Young slot back into the lineup.
I mean do all of Phoenix’s losses get an asterisk excuse they’ve so far occurred without Griner and most without Allen too? Do the Liberty get some sort of super stamp for beating CT without their starting PG?
 
Jackson had her way with Kate in the 4th.
I would expect a lottery pick (one that some people said could be an All-Star before long) to have their way with a second rounder making her first ever WNBA start. Rickea has been lit up by not-so-stellar competition at points during this season, so maybe this was her chance to show out.
 
The only thing I’d be worried about as a Vegas fan would be health. Becky rode her starters down last season and this season with them having so many injuries already the minutes seem to be even more highly concentrated than last year AND it’s an Olympic year where their core 4 will not be getting a break this time.

Can Plum, A’ja and Young keep up this production playing 35 minutes a game the next 4 months? Can Gray play that much at that high a level and stay healthy? Can Clark keep playing 30 minutes a night at 36 without wearing down? The issues they have now are temporary but they need to figure out ways to get they key players rest so injuries don’t compound.
 
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What point guards are available though? At least half the league needs a PG. And what trade capital does Vegas even have to trade for one with when they will just be sending said PG to the bench in a week or two
Odyssey Sims is available.

Until last week, Veronica Burton (a defensive-minded PG) was available.

Destanni Henderson (Henny) is available.

Shey Peddy is available.

If they want a more defensive-minded PG (even one that's a rookie), Jaylyn Sherrod is available.

There are/were options. The organization just decided not to act on them because they keep harping on the team having enough in their locker room. The rest of the league sees that Vegas has three starters (and no PG to get the team into sets/move the ball) and will continue to pounce.
 
Odyssey Sims is available.

Until last week, Veronica Burton (a defensive-minded PG) was available.

Destanni Henderson (Henny) is available.

Shey Peddy is available.

If they want a more defensive-minded PG (even one that's a rookie), Jaylyn Sherrod is available.

There are/were options. The organization just decided not to act on them because they keep harping on the team having enough in their locker room. The rest of the league sees that Vegas has three starters (and no PG to get the team into sets/move the ball) and will continue to pounce.
Peddy isn’t a PG and Sherrod, Simms and Henderson aren’t good enough to get minutes on this team. I also doubt would get minutes under Becky and is an offensive liability. None of these players would make Vegas any better imo and I don’t think any would get minutes given the players above then in the rotation.
 
Peddy isn’t a PG and Sherrod, Simms and Henderson aren’t good enough to get minutes on this team. I also doubt would get minutes under Becky and is an offensive liability. None of these players would make Vegas any better imo and I don’t think any would get minutes given the players above then in the rotation.
Yeah, kinda hilarious to be beating this drum about needing a PG, and then suggest these players who wouldn't help much if any. And certainly none of them has shown to be play making, team leading PGs in the WNBA.
 
Minnesota takes it to Seattle 83-64, at home
Seattle up by 5 at halftime. What a second half for the Lynx. And not a good second half for the Storm. 47-23 Minny in the second frame.
 
Kate did great

A'ja still that girl

No comment on the rest

5-4 record says exactly who this team is--a crappy one that has no PG, no starting C, and no depth. No way the organization can stand pat. They have to start sending some of that dead weight home.
Holy crap! I owe you an apology. You would point out the flaws in the Aces and I would say "Oh. The Aces will be okay". After watching that Aces/Sparks game, the Aces got problems and it really is on the defensive end. On the offensive side of things, they are struggling with making shots and shots selection. But on defense. They can't stop anyone. I figured with the Sparks game, the Aces would come out and assert themselves. They did for a quarter but after that it was back and forth. The Aces are good but they have to figure some things out.
 
K-Mac powering the Lynx! Went to the game yesterday and for a minute there, it looked like Seattle was going to steal a win in Minny but thankfully Minnesota turned it on in that 2nd half. I am really happy for Kayla though. We all knew that she could shoot and get buckets. This season, her shot is there and consistent! 70% from 3-point land! Way to go, Kayla!! Great win, Minnesota.
 
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Jackson had her way with Kate in the 4th.
Rickea is an elite talent who will have her way with most defenders... that said, she scored two baskets off Kate in the fourth quarter. Her other two hoops that period were in transition...
 
7-22.

No, that's not a Megan Thee Stallion Hot Girl tour date.

Those are Kelsey Plum's shooting numbers against the Sparks last night. She is shooting 36% from the field and 35% from three through nine games. That is horrific.

If we can highlight when other guards are shooting the ball poorly, then we certainly discuss this.
 
Peddy isn’t a PG and Sherrod, Simms and Henderson aren’t good enough to get minutes on this team. I also doubt would get minutes under Becky and is an offensive liability. None of these players would make Vegas any better imo and I don’t think any would get minutes given the players above then in the rotation.
No offense, but I stand by what I said. I'd rather have a ball mover at PG than two SGs who have shown that they can't balance scoring and playmaking. Both Jackie and KP are shooting in the 30s on high volume (which is affecting their ability to run an efficient offense because they feel that they have to "get theirs"), so having someone come in who can eat PG minutes would be a big plus even if they aren't scoring 20 a game on 30% shooting.
 
No offense, but I stand by what I said. I'd rather have a ball mover at PG than two SGs who have shown that they can't balance scoring and playmaking. Both Jackie and KP are shooting in the 30s on high volume (which is affecting their ability to run an efficient offense because they feel that they have to "get theirs"), so having someone come in who can eat PG minutes would be a big plus even if they aren't scoring 20 a game on 30% shooting.
Look at yesterday's Liberty game and see what missing a PG does. 2 players had a combined 15 turnovers between them.
Could easily have lost that game.
 
Rickea is an elite talent who will have her way with most defenders... that said, she scored two baskets off Kate in the fourth quarter. Her other two hoops that period were in transition...
Martin may have a role.

It does not include responsibility for guarding athletic wings. To the extent Jackson dominated in the paint and in transition it indicates Martin's limitations. I see her a bit like Clark without the experience. It's either or as the team can't have both on the floor at the same time against elite league opponents.

That's said and recognizing plus minus is a team stat in 32 minutes Martin was plus one in 32 minutes while Jackson was - 11 in her 23 minutes.

Martin did turn the ball over three times as well. It's interesting and in 5 years it'll certainly be interesting to see the development of these two players.
 
Martin may have a role.

It does not include responsibility for guarding athletic wings. To the extent Jackson dominated in the paint and in transition it indicates Martin's limitations. I see her a bit like Clark without the experience. It's either or as the team can't have both on the floor at the same time against elite league opponents.

That's said and recognizing plus minus is a team stat in 32 minutes Martin was plus one in 32 minutes while Jackson was - 11 in her 23 minutes.

Martin did turn the ball over three times as well. It's interesting and in 5 years it'll certainly be interesting to see the development of these two players.
Good stuff, azfan.

I'm admittedly a Kate Martin fan, having followed her throughout her lengthy stay at Iowa. I am so happy that her guts, smarts and hard work have resulted in what she's experiencing right now.

Whether she's able to hang on in the WNBA remains to be seen. I suspect before too many years have elapsed, she'll be grabbed by some franchise, perhaps the Aces, as an assistant coach and prospective head coach.

As for Rickea, she's a superior athlete for whom the sky is the limit, if she can balance her social media interests and avoid pitfalls that have brought down so many potential stars in many of our big-time pro leagues. I hope she's an all-star for years to come (and a teammate to Caitlin Clark on the next few Olympic teams).
 
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Good stuff, azfan.

I'm admittedly a Kate Martin fan, having followed her throughout her lengthy stay at Iowa. I am so happy that her guts, smarts and hard work have resulted in what she's experiencing right now.

Whether she's able to hang on in the WNBA remains to be seen. I suspect before too many years have elapsed, she'll be grabbed by some franchise, perhaps the Aces, as an assistant coach and prospective head coach.

As for Rickea, she's a superior athlete for whom the sky is the limit, if she can balance her social media interests and avoid pitfalls that have brought down so many potential stars in many of our big-time pro leagues. I hope she's an all-star for years to come (and a teammate to Caitlin Clark on the next few Olympic teams).
I could see Kate Martin making a career of being the 6th/7th option off the bench with the Aces. She could do that for the next 5+ years and transition to coaching.
 
7-22.

No, that's not a Megan Thee Stallion Hot Girl tour date.

Those are Kelsey Plum's shooting numbers against the Sparks last night. She is shooting 36% from the field and 35% from three through nine games. That is horrific.

If we can highlight when other guards are shooting the ball poorly, then we certainly discuss this.

I didn't realize how low her percentages are this year. Guard shooting has been dreadful to start the year:

Kelsey Plum: 36.3% FG, 34.9% 3pt
Arike Ogunbowale: 36.1% FG, 30.0% 3pt
Jewell Loyd: 34.1% FG, 29.4% 3pt
Jackie Young: 39.8% FG, 32.0% 3pt
Caitlin Clark: 37.3% FG, 32.7% 3pt
Diana Taurasi: 37.1% FG, 34.0% 3pt
Kesley Mitchell: 38.5% FG, 33.3% 3pt
Rhyne Howard: 39.1% FG, 27.3% 3pt
Skylar Diggins-Smith: 38.0% FG, 28.2% 3pt
Ariel Atkins: 36.3% FG, 31.3% 3pt

The only guards shooting over 40% from the field with 12+ ppg are:
Kayla McBride
Sabrina Ionescu
Allisha Gray
Marina Mabrey
Chennedy Carter
Betnijah Laney-Hamilton
 
I didn't realize how low her percentages are this year. Guard shooting has been dreadful to start the year:

Kelsey Plum: 36.3% FG, 34.9% 3pt
Arike Ogunbowale: 36.1% FG, 30.0% 3pt
Jewell Loyd: 34.1% FG, 29.4% 3pt
Jackie Young: 39.8% FG, 32.0% 3pt
Caitlin Clark: 37.3% FG, 32.7% 3pt
Diana Taurasi: 37.1% FG, 34.0% 3pt
Kesley Mitchell: 38.5% FG, 33.3% 3pt
Rhyne Howard: 39.1% FG, 27.3% 3pt
Skylar Diggins-Smith: 38.0% FG, 28.2% 3pt
Ariel Atkins: 36.3% FG, 31.3% 3pt

The only guards shooting over 40% from the field with 12+ ppg are:
Kayla McBride
Sabrina Ionescu
Allisha Gray
Marina Mabrey
Chennedy Carter
Betnijah Laney-Hamilton
The Caitlin Clark effect? :p

I kid, I kid...
 
I could see Kate Martin making a career of being the 6th/7th option off the bench with the Aces. She could do that for the next 5+ years and transition to coaching.
They’ve kept Sydney Colson for several years. I think Colson was a really good college player, but Martin will be a better pro. Evidently Colson is a positive locker-room presence, which counts for a lot. I’d be shocked if Martin ever is not a positive in the locker room. Her teammates already seem to love her. If there’s a pattern, it would militate toward Kate having a long WNBA career.
 
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