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Elite 8s in the last 7 years
  • UConn 7
  • Stanford 6
  • Tennessee 5
  • Duke & Maryland 4
  • Baylor, LSU, & UNC 3
Not too shabby for the Terps.
 
vowelguy said:
Elite 8s in the last 7 years
  • UConn 7
  • Stanford 6
  • Tennessee 5
  • Duke & Maryland 4
  • Baylor, LSU, & UNC 3
Not too shabby for the Terps.
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look at the Maryland roster the last 7 years, and an elite 8 is nothing to brag about
 
pap49cba said:
"On Monday, Dec. 3, the Terps will head north to take part in the Jimmy V Classic when they take on Connecticut. It will mark the first meeting between the two powerhouses. Game time will be announced at a later date."
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That date is not correct. The first meeting between two powerhouses will occur on Oct. 13 when the UConn starting five scrimmages against its own bench players.
 
vowelguy said:
Elite 8s in the last 7 years
  • UConn 7
  • Stanford 6
  • Tennessee 5
  • Duke & Maryland 4
  • Baylor, LSU, & UNC 3
Not too shabby for the Terps.
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Not shabby, but not powerhouse-worthy either. Since winning the NC, they've been to three elite eights. Twice they did so as #1 seeds and failed to advance to the next round. Last year, they technically advanced to their seed, but looked shaky doing so (and then positively awful against ND).

In my view, to call UMD a powerhouse is an example of "good" being the enemy of "great". Brenda hopefully doesn't see it that way.
 
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I'd say there are really about three to four "powerhouses" in WCBB. UConn and Stanford, and rotate in Baylor, ND and possibly Duke any given year. Used to count Tennessee in there, but I'd say they are second tier with Maryland, Duke (most years), etc. I'd count a "powerhouse" as a team that you expect to be great year in year out, regardless of personnel. Baylor is great right now because they have Griner, ND was great for a few years, Maryland, etc. But to me, really only Stanford and UConn fit the bill in that definition.
 
sarals24 said:
I'd say there are really about three to four "powerhouses" in WCBB. UConn and Stanford, and rotate in Baylor, ND and possibly Duke any given year. Used to count Tennessee in there, but I'd say they are second tier with Maryland, Duke (most years), etc. I'd count a "powerhouse" as a team that you expect to be great year in year out, regardless of personnel. Baylor is great right now because they have Griner, ND was great for a few years, Maryland, etc. But to me, really only Stanford and UConn fit the bill in that definition.
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I think you are a little generous and harsh at the same time. If you are talking "long term" then you can't ditch Tennessee yet. After another 2 mediocre seasons (which I sort of expect), they will move into history like La Tech and ODU, but not yet. If you want Stanford then you probably have to have Duke. Stanford DID have some off years, their highs have been arguably higher than Duke's lately, and they were good before Duke was, but on balance, both powerhouses over a period of time. For now. Baylor and Notre Dame have potential to earn that consideration over the next few years, but they haven't shown the consistency yet. I agree is needed to earn a powerhouse designation for your program.
 
It's all marketing. Gotta give Maryland fans something to be happy about. They took Edsall away from us. :cool:
 
vowelguy said:
Elite 8s in the last 7 years
  • UConn 7
  • Stanford 6
  • Tennessee 5
  • Duke & Maryland 4
  • Baylor, LSU, & UNC 3
Not too shabby for the Terps.
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Of those teams listed, how many failed to make the NCAA tournament in the last, oh, three years? Seems to me powerhouses should at least qualify for the Big Dance.
 
Butchy said:
It's all marketing. Gotta give Maryland fans something to be happy about. They took Edsall away from us. :cool:
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after a 2-10 season, and 23 players transferring they would be happy to send Randy back
 
What sets Uconn apart from every other team is their defense. Excluding UConn yes you can consider MD Duke and others as powerhouses. IMO you cant compare other teams to UConn as UConn is at a level and has maintained that level which other teams can only admire. Some posters comment on no defense by the two ACC powerhouses and that is true. Alot of run and gun and very little defense compared to UConn. However compared to other teams MD and Duke are very talented.

UConn is in a league of their own. They have distanced themselves from everybody else and their record proves it. Yes there is an occassional hick up like the StJohns game but for the most part UConn is the most feared team in WCBB. The reason being is UConn has the ability to blow you out to the point of complete humiliation and they dont let up. Thats in the back of every opponets head including their coaches. UConn can rip the heart out of any team with its never let up attitude The phase "well oiled machine" is an understatement when looking at how UConn operates its defense and offense. Yes there are other teams that can be considered powerhouses and this season Baylor is right there. However over past seasons UConn is the one team that seems to be there year after year. Other teams have been one year wonders. Some teams get a star player who can carry them for a few seasons. However UConn has over a number of years set the standard for all other teams to aspire to . This season will be no different. UConns suffacating defense, and ability to stay focused coupled with their disipline is something opposing teams stuggle with. This is a team that can lose only by beating themselves. This season the only game UConn will be tested will be the Baylor game in February. At this time our phenom freshman class if matured and should be able to handle the veteran Baylor team. Without a hick up UConn wins in a battle, a battle that WCBB hasnt seen in quite a few seasons.
 
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vowelguy said:
Elite 8s in the last 7 years
  • UConn 7
  • Stanford 6
  • Tennessee 5
  • Duke & Maryland 4
  • Baylor, LSU, & UNC 3
Not too shabby for the Terps.
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John Glass said:
look at the Maryland roster the last 7 years, and an elite 8 is nothing to brag about
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If you look at the 2006 Maryland team, it went 2-2 against Duke, with the final game being the overtime contest in the national title game. While the Terps were young, they were not deep outside of the starting five. They lost Kalika France (transfer) and Doron graduated in 2007. Duke beat the Terps twice in the 2006-2007 season.

In 2008, Maryland made the Elite Eight, but lost to Stanford (Candice Wiggins, Jayne Appel, Kayla Pedersen, Jeanette Pohlen). They then lost Laura Harper and Crystal Langhorne to graduation, but relied on Kristi Toliver and Marissa Coleman to make the Elite Eight the next year (2009), losing to Angel McCoughtry and Louisville.

Now, after some bad (by Maryland's standards) recruiting cycles, the Terps made the Elite Eight last year and are expected to be a top-five team. Based on the last seven years, with one national title and four Elite Eights, I would consider the Terps a powerhouse. To me, if you are a consistent Final Four contender, you are a powerhouse.

And, as used in this context (a press release from Maryland), of course the term "powerhouse" would be used to describe both programs, given Maryland's recent accomplishments.

But if you are holding a strict definition of powerhouse in 2012, arguably only UConn, Tennessee, and possibly Stanford and Baylor can make that claim (as of now).
 
Top 10 programs per Swish appeal

August 2010

I'm sure this was posted on our board when it came out. I find myself agreeing with Tony at this point. How do you define power house? Is it just the past 2-3 years? If that's the case, you'd have Baylor, UCONN, ND and aTm, Stanford and maybe Duke.

Go back the past 5 years... total final 4's:

UCONN 5
Stanford 5
Oklahoma 2
Notre Dame 2
Baylor 2
LSU, aTm, Louisville, Tennessee all have 1

so true powerhouses the past 5 years seem to indicate UCONN and Stanford. Who are the powerhouses in any given year? probably the 4 teams who make it to the final 4. Who will the powerhouse teams be this year? UCONN, Baylor and Duke IMHO. Who will they be next year? UCONN, Duke and then i'm not sure who else. My point is how far do you go back? Tennessee has been a perennial powerhouse but the past 4 years has completely fallen off the face of WCBB.

There's only 1 team that has had true staying power. UCONN is the ONLY team in WCBB to make the sweet 16 every single year since 1994. That's 18 consecutive years. I have no doubt that number reaches 22 over the next 4 years. Unprecedented. So who are the powerhouses? It depends the time frame you are asking about. But i do like Swish appeals top 10 list over the past 10 years.

Historically speaking you have to include La Tech, but i think over the past 10-15 years, it's been UCONN, Tennessee, and Stanford...
 
John Glass said:
after a 2-10 season, and 23 players transferring they would be happy to send Randy back
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They edged Mary last weekend, by a score of 7-6. They were scheduled to play William and Mary, but William didn't show up. Hence the Terp's victory. :D
 
MilfordHusky said:
They edged Mary last weekend, by a score of 7-6. They were scheduled to play William and Mary, but William didn't show up. Hence the Terp's victory. :D
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UConn plays MD in football on September 15th at Rentschler Field. Could be ugly.
 
HuskyNan said:
UConn plays MD in football on September 15th at Rentschler Field. Could be ugly.
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Ummm, Nan? The game is AT Byrd Stadium in College Park. You've been working too hard at this moderating business.
 
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UConnChapette said:
Ummm, Nan? The game is AT Byrd Stadium in College Park. You've been working too hard at this moderating business.
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Hunh, OK, game is in Maryland. Guess I was thinking of the other ACC game vs NC State at Rentschler.

Could still be an ugly game for Maryland. There are busloads of UConn fans headed to the game.
 
ericsandiego said:
Top 10 programs per Swish appeal

August 2010

I'm sure this was posted on our board when it came out. I find myself agreeing with Tony at this point. How do you define power house? Is it just the past 2-3 years? If that's the case, you'd have Baylor, UCONN, ND and aTm, Stanford and maybe Duke.

Go back the past 5 years... total final 4's:

UCONN 5
Stanford 5
Oklahoma 2
Notre Dame 2
Baylor 2
LSU, aTm, Louisville, Tennessee all have 1

so true powerhouses the past 5 years seem to indicate UCONN and Stanford. Who are the powerhouses in any given year? probably the 4 teams who make it to the final 4. Who will the powerhouse teams be this year? UCONN, Baylor and Duke IMHO. Who will they be next year? UCONN, Duke and then i'm not sure who else. My point is how far do you go back? Tennessee has been a perennial powerhouse but the past 4 years has completely fallen off the face of WCBB.

There's only 1 team that has had true staying power. UCONN is the ONLY team in WCBB to make the sweet 16 every single year since 1994. That's 18 consecutive years. I have no doubt that number reaches 22 over the next 4 years. Unprecedented. So who are the powerhouses? It depends the time frame you are asking about. But i do like Swish appeals top 10 list over the past 10 years.

Historically speaking you have to include La Tech, but i think over the past 10-15 years, it's been UCONN, Tennessee, and Stanford...
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Over the past 15 years I would say UCONN, TN, Stanford, and Duke. TN and UCONN.... of course.. nothing needs to be said about them. Stanford and Duke... ;) 14 of the 15 years reaching at least the Sweet 16.... Elite 8's in 1998, 2004, 2005, 2010, 2011, 2012... final 4's in 2002 and 2003... and national championship games in 1999 and 2006. Probably seeded #1 more than any team outside of TN and UCONN in that time period..... and I would venture that the ACC has been a tougher conference than the Pac 10 during the same time period.

Im not sure I would say Duke is a powerhouse..... in my mind only TN and UCONN are powerhouse programs..... but Duke and Stanford have both been on the next level.... I would call them Elite Programs.
 
triaddukefan said:
Im not sure I would say Duke is a powerhouse..... in my mind only TN and UCONN are powerhouse programs..... but Duke and Stanford have both been on the next level.... I would call them Elite Programs.
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Might have to throw ND in the there, too. In looking at their record, in the McGraw period since 1987-88, the Irish have only three seasons with less than 20 wins (1991-92 [but won conf. tournament], 1992-93, 2005-06) and have 3 national championship game appearances in 12 years (with one NC).
 
HuskyNan said:
Might have to throw ND in the there, too. In looking at their record, in the McGraw period since 1987-88, the Irish have only three seasons with less than 20 wins (1991-92 [but won conf. tournament], 1992-93, 2005-06) and have 3 national championship game appearances in 12 years (with one NC).
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How many Big East titles have they had in that time period... regular season and tournament?
 
triaddukefan said:
How many Big East titles have they had in that time period... regular season and tournament?
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I believe Notre Dame has only won one Big East regular season title which was last year.
 
connboy77 said:
I believe Notre Dame has only won one Big East regular season title which was last year.
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Shared the title in 2001. UConn was technically the road team in the Bird at the Buzzer game.
 
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connboy77 said:
I believe Notre Dame has only won one Big East regular season title which was last year.
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Of course the ultimate goal is a National Championship.... and then a Final 4...... but regular season and conference tournament titles go into being a powerhouse or even an elite program. In that regards I would have them behind Stanford, Duke, UNC, and even Oklahoma... if the time period is the last 15 years.

But back to the premise of this thread.

Maryland a Powerhouse??

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triaddukefan said:
How many Big East titles have they had in that time period... regular season and tournament?
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ND joined the Big East for women's basketball in 1995 (for the 1995-96 season).

ND's conference record:
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Conference tournament champions​
1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1994 (MCC)​
Conference regular season champions​
1985, 1986 (North Star)​
1989, 1990, 1991, 1994, 1995 (MCC)​
2001, 2012 (Big East)​
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CamrnCrz1974 said:
If you look at the 2006 Maryland team, it went 2-2 against Duke, with the final game being the overtime contest in the national title game. While the Terps were young, they were not deep outside of the starting five. They lost Kalika France (transfer) and Doron graduated in 2007. Duke beat the Terps twice in the 2006-2007 season.

In 2008, Maryland made the Elite Eight, but lost to Stanford (Candice Wiggins, Jayne Appel, Kayla Pedersen, Jeanette Pohlen). They then lost Laura Harper and Crystal Langhorne to graduation, but relied on Kristi Toliver and Marissa Coleman to make the Elite Eight the next year (2009), losing to Angel McCoughtry and Louisville.

Now, after some bad (by Maryland's standards) recruiting cycles, the Terps made the Elite Eight last year and are expected to be a top-five team. Based on the last seven years, with one national title and four Elite Eights, I would consider the Terps a powerhouse. To me, if you are a consistent Final Four contender, you are a powerhouse.

And, as used in this context (a press release from Maryland), of course the term "powerhouse" would be used to describe both programs, given Maryland's recent accomplishments.

But if you are holding a strict definition of powerhouse in 2012, arguably only UConn, Tennessee, and possibly Stanford and Baylor can make that claim (as of now).
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In 2006 Maryland had 5 players that went on to play pro, and they beat Duke when Duke choked free throws . Elite Eight is setting the bar pretty low when you have top 5 recruiting classes.

No one has ever accused Frese of being a good coach, it is common knowledge Walz did all the coaching when he was there. Then AD Debbie Yow gave Brenda the money hire two high priced assistants when Walz left.
 
John Glass said:
No one has ever accused Frese of being a good coach, it is common knowledge Walz did all the coaching when he was there. Then AD Debbie Yow gave Brenda the money hire two high priced assistants when Walz left.
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I'm no Frese lover, but these denigrations are tiresome. I've heard them all before. First it was "she'll never succeed w/o Walz." Then it was "she wont get any good players now that her top recruiter (her sister) left." Etc etc. And yet, MD continues to be good. I wonder how that happens.
 
vowelguy said:
I'm no Frese lover, but these denigrations are tiresome. I've heard them all before. First it was "she'll never succeed w/o Walz." Then it was "she wont get any good players now that her top recruiter (her sister) left." Etc etc. And yet, MD continues to be good. I wonder how that happens.
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How many final fours without Walz ? Their non- conference schedule has been weak at best, so they have over 20 easy games every year, their record vs ranked teams is nothing special. The pollsters look at the record, not the schedule. UNC was highly ranked most of last season, and didn't make the NCAA tournament.

They have played several NCAA tournament games at home, which is a big advantage. Then they get tough road games, and struggle like in the 31 point lose to Notre Dame.

Frese is clueless about fundamentals, 10 years of bad defense , and terrible ball handling. Frese has worn a microphone for several games, and all she ever says is "we need more energy"

Tiresome no , the truth

Good maybe, a great team AKA Powerhouse nope.
 
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