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It might be tough in Columbia being a Clemson fan. But it isn't tough in Greenville/Spartanburg, Florence, Charleston, or Myrtle Beach being a Clemson fan. I can see Columbia though. Everywhere you look, you'll see Gamecocks. SEC has its fan and places sure. I just lived in Miami for 8 years and hardly heard about SEC in South Florida. I only met 1 Gator fan, and he was visiting from Tampa. I actually met lots of Boston College fans there. The SEC certainly isn't #1 there, and that's about as south as one can get geographically. I did live in Atlanta too for 2 years, and I did hear about SEC there, but also ACC with GT.
Well stimp I can't speak on SC myself but at far as Miami is concerned its the most Eastern city outside of the east due to the heavy NYC influx since Jackie Gleason moved there with his TV show in the late 50s so Miami/Ft.Lauderdale is unique?Personally I prefer ACC FB or anything over the SEC who espn spends too much time shoving down our throats! I only watch them hoping to see them lose on upset alerts.
 
Perception.....Clemson is not an FSU type heavyweight outside of SC/ACC....oops WV just scored again.

Clemson beat Ohio State pretty handily in the bowl...beat LSU in the bowl before that..

Do not give me that "oops, WVU scored again" crapola..unless you also admit the Clemson just beat one of the best of the Big Ten. And the year before beat a BCS bowl LSU.

It is Ohio State who is not a heavy weight...losing 9 of ten games with the SEC...losing every match that they have played with FSU...
 
Clemson beat Ohio State pretty handily in the bowl...beat LSU in the bowl before that..

Do not give me that "oops, WVU scored again" crapola..unless you also admit the Clemson just beat one of the best of the Big Ten. And the year before beat a BCS bowl LSU.

It is Ohio State who is not a heavy weight...losing 9 of ten games with the SEC...losing every match that they have played with FSU...

You have to admit that until recently Clemson has been totally underwhelming in losses to West Virginia, South Florida, Kentucky, etc.

In the last 20 years, Clemson is 6-11 in bowls. And several of those losses were not against heavyweights: Mississippi St., Kentucky, South Florida, Syracuse, Texas Tech, West Virginia.
 
Clemson has had its up and downs...They did win a national championship in 1981...they have been on an up the last several years.

Many of us southerners automatically put Ohio State in the "over rated" category.

As an FSU guy, I have been to two of our three games with Ohio St....it seems like 16 points is the differential.

And, the Buckeyes losing nine of ten to the SEC hasn't helped that impression....since NickyGaspipe was talking "impression".
 
Clemson has had its up and downs...They did win a national championship in 1981...they have been on an up the last several years.

Come on!! The last several years? They were awful for the first 5 years, and then won in the last 2 years.
 
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Come on!! The last several years? They were awful for the first 5 years, and then won in the last 2 years.

Well...three season ago, Clemson won 10 games (despite the big bowl loss coloring the season).

As I said, they go up and down...But have not had a losing season since 1998.... Texas, Ohio State have had a losing season since. It goes up and down....
 
I give Clemson credit for getting to two BCS Bowls in a row...and winning both.

That is an accomplishment.
 
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Well...three season ago, Clemson won 10 games (despite the big bowl loss coloring the season).

As I said, they go up and down...But have not had a losing season since 1998.... Texas, Ohio State have had a losing season since. It goes up and down....

I was not surprised by that big bowl loss given the way they ended the season at 2-4.
 
Haha....thanks. I'm a pretty objective guy who happens to run a business. I definitely understand why the ACC and Maryland are doing the dance they're doing. I'm really just ready to put these lawsuits behind and start the process of getting used to seeing a B1G logo on the courts and fields. It'll be weird and I'll certainly miss the ACC circa my first two years of ugrad (UMd, UVa, Duke, Carolina, Wake, State, Clemson, Tech, and FSU), but I've never really felt any connection to the Big East side of the ACC. We had a good thing going pre-2003.

Had the ACC just tried to add Miami, VPI, and, WVU back in 2003, I think the expansion to 12 would've been fine. I do like both Cuse and Pitt, but, VPI and WVU would've made much more sense from an historical, and, a geographical, standpoint.

Even now, I still run into fans who liked the 9-team ACC the best. I am old enough to remember the old 7-team league of the '70s.
 
That "lack of connection" that you espoused is the same sentiment that is rampant among FSU fans for certain ACC teams.

I think that is difficult to build tradition and history and having a geographically far flung conference makes that even more difficult.

Been playing BC for a decade now and, honestly, the random match up with USF brings much more interest.

The first additions should have been Miami, VPI, and, WVU.
 
Which is the best answer for the ACC is and was always a north/south spilt. Image civil war reenactments before the CCG, maybe a few thrown beer bottles, that'd be some good TV right there.

But seriously, the old BE vs old ACC divisions would bring the right amount of hype provided there is enough crossover the allow for balanced recruiting access and cold weather games.

The Southern ACC schools would go for that right now. But, it'd mean that both UVA and VPI would be placed in the North, and, they will never go for that. Ever.

Swofford has gotten some ideas from ADs across the league, and, the one with some promise was presented by Syracuse AD Gross. Everybody would have three permanent rivals, and, you'd play five of the remaining 10 each year. So, you'd face everybody in the league home-and-home at least once every four years.
 
I don't see the major conferences going after the #2 team in any one state? The B1G chasing GT was a smokescreen IMO to create chaos/worry in the ACC IMO and I know that GT gets more interest/attention in the NY/NJ area as an "acceptable" school than Clemson.Also the rural image aspect don't help CU.

The U of South Carolina may be the flagship university in SC, but, Clemson is NOT the No 2 school in their state, historically speaking. The Gamecocks have only recently had real sustained success vs CU. Once Spurrier retires, I expect things there to be back heavily in Clemson's favor.

And, the B1G inquiring about Georgia Tech was no smokescreen. Tech is an elite public university, and, one of the very best engineering schools in the country, public or private. They get more attention in the NY metro area than CU because of that. That CU is in a rural setting is of no importance. It is a fine school in its own right. Much more respected than U of SC, by a good margin.
 
It might be tough in Columbia being a Clemson fan. But it isn't tough in Greenville/Spartanburg, Florence, Charleston, or Myrtle Beach being a Clemson fan. I can see Columbia though. Everywhere you look, you'll see Gamecocks. SEC has its fan and places sure. I just lived in Miami for 8 years and hardly heard about SEC in South Florida. I only met 1 Gator fan, and he was visiting from Tampa. I actually met lots of Boston College fans there. The SEC certainly isn't #1 there, and that's about as south as one can get geographically. I did live in Atlanta too for 2 years, and I did hear about SEC there, but also ACC with GT.

Charleston's about a 50/50 split, like Connecticut is for the Red Sox/Yankees. Drive up I-26 from Charleston to upstate on the weekend of "The Game" and that split is borne out in the mix of Gamecocks window flags and Tiger tails hanging out of trunks.
 
Perception.....Clemson is not an FSU type heavyweight outside of SC/ACC....oops WV just scored again.

I find it hilarious that folks still give Clemson grief about that game. People seem to think that WVU lit up everybody like that in 2011, and, thats not close to true. CU is miles ahead of WVU when it comes to accomplishments. But, people still believe to this day that that particular game was representative of the two programs since then, and, before. Which is ridiculous.

With all due respect, Nicky, everyone of our teams have played games where they allowed the opponent to get out of hand. Carolina gave up 68 points to Ga Tech in 2012, and, the Techies could have scored 80-90, or more, if they didn't dial things back against us just a bit late in the game.
 
As a person with a MBA in International Business, once thing I could never figure while I was looking at schools in the early 2000’s is how on earth is South Carolina International MBA program ranked in the top 10 every year? I know it’s a great program, just no idea how such a program landed in there. The overall business school, Moore, is ranked #73. At least Thunderbird makes sense as it is their specialty.

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/international-business-rankings
 
This is nothing new. Bowls pick who they think will sell the most tickets and fill the most seats in their stadiums and hotel rooms in their town. That has always been the case. We've dealt with that for years. If it comes down to a bowl picking between UVA and Clemson or UVA and NCState, UVA never gets picked. UVA travels pretty well, but not as well as those others. Happens all the time, and I expect it to happen with Notre Dame. The good news is that half the bowl revenue from Notre Dame's appearance will go to the ACC just like any other ACC school participating in that bowl.
Except that ND is not in the ACC for football. That's the difference. A bowl selecting one ACC team with a worse record over another ACC team is one thing. With ND the bowl would be selecting an Independant over an ACC team. Check back in about 3-5 years, I'm guessing most ACC fans perspective will have changed a bit.
 
As a person with a MBA in International Business, once thing I could never figure while I was looking at schools in the early 2000’s is how on earth is South Carolina International MBA program ranked in the top 10 every year? I know it’s a great program, just no idea how such a program landed in there. The overall business school, Moore, is ranked #73. At least Thunderbird makes sense as it is their specialty.
USC's not the greatest university, but it has some decent programs. Before international business studies recently became trendy at some well and not so respected universities and before Thunderbird first began tossing out global MBA degrees (now legit, then dubious), USC was an old university. The strong reputation of its' global programs is less of a mystery than first meets the eye, including for the eyes of a fair number of people outside the southeast and mid-Atlantic states.

History, including pre- and post-Civil War, involved and forced Palmetto State trading of a lot of things with other nations, forced accessing financing from alternative sources, and eventually evolved over a much longer time to starting internationally-focused research, global partnerships, programs, etc. Getting a head start continues to benefit USC's well-respected undergraduate and graduate business program reputations.
 
Yep...South Carolina has a long heritage in international business...as early as the 1600's, their tentacles spread from Africa to the Caribbean.

Historic corporate raiders Ann Bonney, Stede Bonnet, and Blackbeard all tramped Charleston's streets.
 
I find it hilarious that folks still give Clemson grief about that game. People seem to think that WVU lit up everybody like that in 2011, and, thats not close to true. CU is miles ahead of WVU when it comes to accomplishments. But, people still believe to this day that that particular game was representative of the two programs since then, and, before. Which is ridiculous.

I would say that game was representative. Look at the end of season accomplishments for the several years prior. WV won 3 BCS bowl games in 7 years. That was a very impressive run. Meanwhile, Clemson was losing bowl game after bowl game, and even when they won 10 games, they managed to lose 4 of the last 6.

I really think that game was indicative of the state of the two programs. And I wasn't surprised by the outcome.

Since that game, West Virginia joined the B12 and cratered largely as a result of all the travel.
 
I would say that game was representative. Look at the end of season accomplishments for the several years prior. WV won 3 BCS bowl games in 7 years. That was a very impressive run. Meanwhile, Clemson was losing bowl game after bowl game, and even when they won 10 games, they managed to lose 4 of the last 6.

I really think that game was indicative of the state of the two programs. And I wasn't surprised by the outcome.

Since that game, West Virginia joined the B12 and cratered largely as a result of all the travel.

You can chalk both up to coaching. Clemson replaced Tommy Bowden with Dabo Swinney. Although Dabo did lose that WVU game, he's got Clemson winning their bowls again. Tommy didn't lose to South Carolina though, which Dabo is doing. So Dabo has some more work.

WVU's Oliver Luck fired Bill Stewart and replaced with Dana Holgerson. While Dana did win that Orange Bowl with Clemson and Bill Stewart's team, down she goes since and continued.
 
Clemson is the epitome of style over substance.
 
USC's not the greatest university, but it has some decent programs. Before international business studies recently became trendy at some well and not so respected universities and before Thunderbird first began tossing out global MBA degrees (now legit, then dubious), USC was an old university. The strong reputation of its' global programs is less of a mystery than first meets the eye, including for the eyes of a fair number of people outside the southeast and mid-Atlantic states.

History, including pre- and post-Civil War, involved and forced Palmetto State trading of a lot of things with other nations, forced accessing financing from alternative sources, and eventually evolved over a much longer time to starting internationally-focused research, global partnerships, programs, etc. Getting a head start continues to benefit USC's well-respected undergraduate and graduate business program reputations.

Interesting, thanks. I have never been to USC nor Columbia myself; but, I have been to Charlestown twice and have enjoyed that city. One of the few small/midsize cities that is walkable and a lot of culture, history, and bars to check out.
 
Charleston has its charms...I happen to like Savannah.

A lot different from Tallahassee...

Southern towns all have a different identity.

The first thing that a stranger will ask you in a bar....

Charleston....who's your family?

Savannah...y' all from around here?

Tallahassee?...what ya drinking?
 
I give Clemson credit for getting to two BCS Bowls in a row...and winning both.

That is an accomplishment.
No they didn't when? Chick-fil-a is not a bcs bowl
 
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