Maryland’s $157 million counterclaim: ACC recruited B1G schools

[btstimpy]

You have to admit that until recently Clemson has been totally underwhelming in losses to West Virginia, South Florida, Kentucky, etc.

In the last 20 years, Clemson is 6-11 in bowls. And several of those losses were not against heavyweights: Mississippi St., Kentucky, South Florida, Syracuse, Texas Tech, West Virginia.

What's underwhelming and "a Joke" is Ohio State's constantly being "overrated" every year. Their bowl record since 1990 is 8-14. Not impressive. But yet every year they start in the top 5 only to flop. But not really a flop when you know they are "overrated". What rock do the AP voters crawl out from every year with the same result every year? The playoff system has gotten here just in time to keep up from watching more blow out losses by Ohio State in the National Championship due to their rolling through an overrated league to get there. Michigan used to be the same way, but they have fallen recently.

 

[upstater]

What's underwhelming and "a Joke" is Ohio State's constantly being "overrated" every year. Their bowl record since 1990 is 8-14. Not impressive. But yet every year they start in the top 5 only to flop. But not really a flop when you know they are "overrated". What rock do the AP voters crawl out from every year with the same result every year? The playoff system has gotten here just in time to keep up from watching more blow out losses by Ohio State in the National Championship due to their rolling through an overrated league to get there. Michigan used to be the same way, but they have fallen recently.

Errrg, I really don't give a whit about ohio St. Nowhere near an OSU fan.

 

[buddy]

We hate Clemson, FSU. Miami, and BC. Why are you guys talking this crap here. It is only rubbing it in our face.

 

[SouthronCross]

USC's not the greatest university, but it has some decent programs. Before international business studies recently became trendy at some well and not so respected universities and before Thunderbird first began tossing out global MBA degrees (now legit, then dubious), USC was an old university. The strong reputation of its' global programs is less of a mystery than first meets the eye, including for the eyes of a fair number of people outside the southeast and mid-Atlantic states.

History, including pre- and post-Civil War, involved and forced Palmetto State trading of a lot of things with other nations, forced accessing financing from alternative sources, and eventually evolved over a much longer time to starting internationally-focused research, global partnerships, programs, etc. Getting a head start continues to benefit USC's well-respected undergraduate and graduate business program reputations.

Agreed, overall, the U of South Carolina is not a great academic institution.

That said, in addition to their International Business programs, their Honors College is also pretty well-regarded, if memory serves.

 

[SouthronCross]

I would say that game was representative. Look at the end of season accomplishments for the several years prior. WV won 3 BCS bowl games in 7 years. That was a very impressive run. Meanwhile, Clemson was losing bowl game after bowl game, and even when they won 10 games, they managed to lose 4 of the last 6.

I really think that game was indicative of the state of the two programs. And I wasn't surprised by the outcome.

Since that game, West Virginia joined the B12 and cratered largely as a result of all the travel.

We'll just agree to disagree on WVU.

Its not just the travel for them, man. Its the increase in competition, too. In all those years in the Big East, they only won the title outright on two occasions, so, it wasn't like they were dominating the league every year. Any objective fan could see that they were going to struggle in the Big 12, but, way too many folks bought into that hype coming off of the Orange Bowl, that they did not see their major deficiencies on defense.

I think they will right the ship, but, it'll be a few years before they seriously contend for the Big 12 title.

 

[Fishy]

West Virginia has been a hell of a football program. These cats won three BCS games - Clemson was gift compared to the other two.

Don't kid yourself - they'd have hip-checked everything but FSU into the weeds if the ACC had the stones to invite 'em. Unfortunately, they were a terrible academic institution a year before being a terrible academic institution no longer mattered.

 

[billybud]

WVU is also the same team that Syracuse beat three straight years with the last game in the Pinstripe bowl in 2012, the team that hapless Maryland murdered 37-0 this year.

WVU has won the big bowl game against Clemson but has also lost bowl games to FSU, North Carolina, NC State, Virginia, and Georgia Tech. The 2009 bowl where a 6-6 FSU beat the Eers by double digits, the 2010 bowl, where NC State's defense shut them down to 7 points, the 2012 bowl where Syracuse beat them by 24 points, are not indicative of a team that would have "hip checked" the rest of the ACC

Yeah, West Virginia had some good years with Pat White and Steve Slayton, but that high level of success was fairly short lived.

 

[NickyNewark]

So? SU was'nt a bad team with Nassib the last couple of yrs and they had the stones(ability) to jump up and bite most decent team's and for WVU the desertion of RR created enough disruption to make them a bit unstable since! A state about the size of a good sized city does itself and the ONBE proud with their better than moderate accomplishments with what they had. Too bad FSU could'nt do more during that period with all the talent and support and stability they had? Underacheived? Understatement or the ACC would have been looked at more respectfully.

 

[NickyNewark]

Clemson has had its up and downs...They did win a national championship in 1981...they have been on an up the last several years.

Many of us southerners automatically put Ohio State in the "over rated" category.

As an FSU guy, I have been to two of our three games with Ohio St....it seems like 16 points is the differential.

And, the Buckeyes losing nine of ten to the SEC hasn't helped that impression....since NickyGaspipe was talking "impression".

Yet no one gives the OBE any credit for having a winning record against the SEC in the BCS era(since 98) not to mention espin's shameless boosting of an overrated ACC FB the last 8 or so yrs ??

 

[NickyNewark]

What's underwhelming and "a Joke" is Ohio State's constantly being "overrated" every year. Their bowl record since 1990 is 8-14. Not impressive. But yet every year they start in the top 5 only to flop. But not really a flop when you know they are "overrated". What rock do the AP voters crawl out from every year with the same result every year? The playoff system has gotten here just in time to keep up from watching more blow out losses by Ohio State in the National Championship due to their rolling through an overrated league to get there. Michigan used to be the same way, but they have fallen recently.

Funny? The same could have been said about Clemson and FSU until FSU finally got it together this yr and mark my words UM at OSU(as much as I hate him) is really hauling in primo talent the last 2 yrs and will be in the NC picture soon!!

 

[NickyNewark]

Interesting, thanks. I have never been to USC nor Columbia myself; but, I have been to Charlestown twice and have enjoyed that city. One of the few small/midsize cities that is walkable and a lot of culture, history, and bars to check out.

I Agree, absolutely feel the history thereabouts...Savannah too, I love the moss on the tree's and antebellum home's.

 

[NickyNewark]

Clemson beat Ohio State pretty handily in the bowl...beat LSU in the bowl before that..

Do not give me that "oops, WVU scored again" crapola..unless you also admit the Clemson just beat one of the best of the Big Ten. And the year before beat a BCS bowl LSU.

It is Ohio State who is not a heavy weight...losing 9 of ten games with the SEC...losing every match that they have played with FSU...

Ohio ST? I never brought up OSU?But my nephew went to WV and converted mom's house into eer's follower's. I hate them(OSU) esp since UM arrived!! Most arrogant HC in CFB and thats saying something.

 

[upstater]

We'll just agree to disagree on WVU.

Its not just the travel for them, man. Its the increase in competition, too. In all those years in the Big East, they only won the title outright on two occasions, so, it wasn't like they were dominating the league every year. Any objective fan could see that they were going to struggle in the Big 12, but, way too many folks bought into that hype coming off of the Orange Bowl, that they did not see their major deficiencies on defense.

I think they will right the ship, but, it'll be a few years before they seriously contend for the Big 12 title.

Everyone knocks the BE, but they fail to see how good the BE was in OOC games and in bowl games. Compared to the ACC, they were so much better.

Read up: http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2010/4/26/1444886/sec-dominates-bcs-automatic

 

[NickyNewark]

Everyone knocks the BE, but they fail to see how good the BE was in OOC games and in bowl games. Compared to the ACC, they were so much better.

Read up: http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2010/4/26/1444886/sec-dominates-bcs-automatic

In the ACC its not "fail" but refuse to admit they were rated lower by the most objective observers!! Thats why espin and not the market has to keep(pay) to prop them up to try to compete with the Big3(excluding shakey12 and ACC) but at least the Big12 has a legitimate Texas market w/o needing to rely on holding up their sponsor(espin)!!

 

[btstimpy]

Everyone knocks the BE, but they fail to see how good the BE was in OOC games and in bowl games. Compared to the ACC, they were so much better.

Read up: http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2010/4/26/1444886/sec-dominates-bcs-automatic

That article is a narrow timeframe. But, I don't think that the ACC missed on the value of Big East football programs. The ACC has added a bunch of former Big East programs. And should the ACC further expand, it will probably be with other programs from the former Big East including possibly UConn.

 

[btstimpy]

In the ACC its not "fail" but refuse to admit they were rated lower by the most objective observers!! Thats why espin and not the market has to keep(pay) to prop them up to try to compete with the Big3(excluding shakey12 and ACC) but at least the Big12 has a legitimate Texas market w/o needing to rely on holding up their sponsor(espin)!!

It's not hard to prop up a league with the undisputed Football National Champion, the Orange Bowl Champion, 11 schools with 7 or more wins in 2013, 11 bowl teams in 2013, and the league that sweeps basically all the college football individual awards including the Heisman Trophy in 2013. ESPN should be happy to prop that up every day. When the NFL has its draft this spring, that league might just place the second most players into the NFL again following only the SEC, who is recognized as the best football league and also an ESPN league.

 

[btstimpy]

Errrg, I really don't give a whit about ohio St. Nowhere near an OSU fan.

I know. UConn and Penn State. But while we're talking about the media overrating teams, why not bring up the King?

 

[NickyNewark]

Doesn't the SEC OWN part of their own network? Unlike the ACC?

 

[NickyNewark]

It's not hard to prop up a league with the undisputed Football National Champion, the Orange Bowl Champion, 11 schools with 7 or more wins in 2013, 11 bowl teams in 2013, and the league that sweeps basically all the college football individual awards including the Heisman Trophy in 2013. ESPN should be happy to prop that up every day. When the NFL has its draft this spring, that league might just place the second most players into the NFL again following only the SEC, who is recognized as the best football league and also an ESPN league.

Isn't that even more of an indication of how badly the ACC has performed until this yr?(the fact the NFL has found all that talent there recently?)@No the sponsor is tired of Swoffy going to the proverbial well so often after signing a bad contract!! Isn't the idea of a good contract to make money?

 

[upstater]

I know. UConn and Penn State. But while we're talking about the media overrating teams, why not bring up the King?

I think Ohio State is overrated indeed. I also give props to FSU, but Clemson is just one of those teams I rarely believe in.

 

[billybud]

Nicky, Nicky....

FSU has the nation's longest consecutive year bowl streak at 32....Teams like Texas, Florida, Michigan, Ohio State, USC, etc can't go back ten years.

FSU also has won six straight bowl games consecutively (also a nation leading streak for BCS schools)...

In the BCS era (the last 16 seasons)...FSU has won two National Championships and has ended up year end ranked (AP Top 25) in 13 of the 16 years.

For FSU, "lost years" means something different from some other teams.

 

[btstimpy]

Isn't that even more of an indication of how badly the ACC has performed until this yr?(the fact the NFL has found all that talent there recently?)@No the sponsor is tired of Swoffy going to the proverbial well so often after signing a bad contract!! Isn't the idea of a good contract to make money?

The ACC has done a lot of things to improve the contract. If you look all the teams are getting about $23.5 million per school this year right in line with everyone else and ahead of the Big XII. The ACC needs a network, and to get that they need to keep performing. For this year, the ACC has the Men's Soccer National Champion, and the Football National Champion. AND as of today, the ACC has the #1 ranked Men's Basketball Team, Men's Lacrosse Team, Men's Tennis Team, and Baseball Team. Hopefully all of these too will win national championships this year. It will help the cause.

 

[NickyNewark]

I agree they have improved this year,,,that why I prefaced comments "until this yr" but the ACC's problem is mostly the conflicting interest's espin has in your footprint sharing w/the SEC and the network that's partly espins.

 

[huskypantz]

The ACC has done a lot of things to improve the contract. If you look all the teams are getting about $23.5 million per school this year right in line with everyone else and ahead of the Big XII. The ACC needs a network, and to get that they need to keep performing. For this year, the ACC has the Men's Soccer National Champion, and the Football National Champion. AND as of today, the ACC has the #1 ranked Men's Basketball Team, Men's Lacrosse Team, Men's Tennis Team, and Baseball Team. Hopefully all of these too will win national championships this year. It will help the cause.

You should add the school who won the field hockey and women's basketball national champs to that list. We can forward inquiries to the appropriate folks.

 

[billybud]

Shoot...Women's basketball is for girls!