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Any ACC team will need an undefeated season to get the nod in a four team playoff.
 
itgoeslike said:
Any ACC team will need an undefeated season to get the nod in a four team playoff.
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Although it pains me to admit it, I think the B1G (due to lack of strength and bowl success) and Big 12 (due to lack of CCG) will be fighting over the last spot. The win by FSU in the national championship game and their historical success as well as the win by Clemson over OSU in the Orange Bowl places the ACC champion in a much stronger position moving forward in my opinion. I think these wins strengthened the national perception of the ACC. The SEC champion will get a definite nod and the Pac 12 champion likely will as well given the success of Oregon, USC, et. al.
 
B1GALUM said:
Although it pains me to admit it, I think the B1G (due to lack of strength and bowl success) and Big 12 (due to lack of CCG) will be fighting over the last spot. The win by FSU in the national championship game and their historical success as well as the win by Clemson over OSU in the Orange Bowl places the ACC champion in a much stronger position moving forward in my opinion. I think these wins strengthened the national perception of the ACC. The SEC champion will get a definite nod and the Pac 12 champion likely will as well given the success of Oregon, USC, et. al.
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Let me rephrase, slightly. . .any ACC team with a conference loss will not make a four team playoff. I think the Big Ten is next in line in the "I need to be undefeated in conference play" category. The ACC has been terrible over the past several seasons and I don't see one season turning it around. If they are terrible next year, people will soon forget this past year. If FSU had dropped a conference game this year, they would not have played in the NC. After years of underperforming, FSU was finally able to convert the level of talent they have had on the field. But, this isn't about FSU, it's about the conference around them, and most people will be able to separate the two.

Addendum to above: At least for the foreseeable future, three of the four top spots likely go to the SEC Champion, PAC12 Champion and SEC Runner Up with the Big 12, Big Ten and ACC Champion fighting for the last spot. In that scenario, the ACC Champion cannot have a conference loss.
 
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I don't think that a one loss ACC Champ will be shut out of the play off...

FSU, if champ, will be given the benefit of the doubt...having won six straight bowl games.
 
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As an addendum to above. The one thing. We a a
billybud said:
I don't think that a one loss ACC Champ will be shut out of the play off...

FSU, if champ, will be given the benefit of the doubt...having one six straight bowl games.
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Ole Miss has won six straight bowl games, so I'm not sure bowl streaks matter that much. FSU has juice right now, let's see what they do with it. But, their future, to some degree, will be predicated on the success of a conference that hasn't been very successful at football. Better up the OOC schedule.

The ACC and Big Ten should benefit from the format of a small selection committee that could be swayed by political pressure. The BCS, as bad as it was (and it was bad), at least included input from a variety of ranking methodologies. Now, we've regressed to the smokey back room, or better yet, championship figure skating, to anoint the CF final four.
 
itgoeslike said:
The ACC and Big Ten should benefit from the format of a small selection committee that could be swayed by political pressure. The BCS, as bad as it was (and it was bad), at least included input from a variety of ranking methodologies. Now, we've regressed to the smokey back room, or better yet, championship figure skating, to anoint the CF final four.
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Which may prove to be a catalyst for more conference realignment. There is going to be a pissed off conference champion and conference commissioner year after year due to being left out of the 4 team playoff.
A move to an 8 team playoff is a solution; however, per Bill Hancock Executive Director of the College Football Playoff ...

http://theadvocate.com/sports/generalsports/7999816-123/a-few-minutes-with-bcs
Advocate: You are predicting great success for a four-team playoff. That’s going to create demand for expansion. How written in stone is keeping it at four teams throughout the life of the contract?
Hancock: It is in stone. Twelve years, four teams.

Dan Wolken @DanWolken Follow
Hancock: The presidents have no desire to go to 8, nor do the commissioners. Save this Tweet.

The members of these 5 conferences may reach the conclusion that realigning into 4 conferences so that each conference champion heads to the playoff is worth setting aside differences and other barriers that prevent conference realignment. The downside to this scenario is that it may leave even more teams on the outside looking in due to consolidation; however, there is also the potential for the opposite and that a few additional teams get invited to the party e.g. UConn joins ND to the ACC for a 16 team league, the members of the Big 12 decide to merge into the SEC, B1G, Pac 12 to expand to 14 to 18 team conferences.

This scenario may be complete bulls&!t but conference realignment over the past several years has proven that strange things can happen.
 
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B1GALUM said:
Which may prove to be a catalyst for more conference realignment. There is going to be a pissed off conference champion and conference commissioner year after year due to being left out of the 4 team playoff.
A move to an 8 team playoff is a solution; however, per Bill Hancock Executive Director of the College Football Playoff ...

http://theadvocate.com/sports/generalsports/7999816-123/a-few-minutes-with-bcs
Advocate: You are predicting great success for a four-team playoff. That’s going to create demand for expansion. How written in stone is keeping it at four teams throughout the life of the contract?
Hancock: It is in stone. Twelve years, four teams.

Dan Wolken @DanWolken Follow
Hancock: The presidents have no desire to go to 8, nor do the commissioners. Save this Tweet.

The members of these 5 conferences may reach the conclusion that realigning into 4 conferences so that each conference champion heads to the playoff is worth setting aside differences and other barriers that prevent conference realignment. The downside to this scenario is that it may leave even more teams on the outside looking in due to consolidation; however, there is also the potential for the opposite and that a few additional teams get invited to the party e.g. UConn joins ND to the ACC for a 16 team league, the members of the Big 12 decide to merge into the SEC, B1G, Pac 12 to expand to 14 to 18 team conferences.

This scenario may be complete bulls&!t but conference realignment over the past several years has proven that strange things can happen.
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The original plan was to have four 16-team conferences. Getting rid of the BE proved to be fairly easy, but eliminating one more conference (either the Big12 or ACC) has been more problematic. So far, both have resisted efforts to have them implode.

Of course with UCONN on the outside looking in, my preference would be four 20-team conferences. Although, I'm not holding my breath. I don't think the "group" has the fortitude to navigate the politics of piecing it together, in a managed way. Perhaps if push came to shove, or if there was even more money to be made, or if compelled by a landmark ruling.
 
B1GALUM said:
Although it pains me to admit it, I think the B1G (due to lack of strength and bowl success) and Big 12 (due to lack of CCG) will be fighting over the last spot. The win by FSU in the national championship game and their historical success as well as the win by Clemson over OSU in the Orange Bowl places the ACC champion in a much stronger position moving forward in my opinion. I think these wins strengthened the national perception of the ACC. The SEC champion will get a definite nod and the Pac 12 champion likely will as well given the success of Oregon, USC, et. al.
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I don't think thats the case but I think FSU is the only exception in a sub BE type conference as the BCS record shows.WF/Duke/Va/NCst/NC/GT even the "U" and VT have hardly wowed anyone recently but if you listen to BY butt kisser stimpy you'd think Va was ND or OSU? Its FSU and maybe little train that could Clemson and the rest/filler all bunched into Tobacco Rd and Va/VT trying to outshine bigbrother the SEC for attention in the SE. The PAC(Pacific coast,Az.Rockies) and B1G have to themselves huge swathes of population/states in the midwest to the NE to support them win or lose IMO.
 
B1GALUM said:
Although it pains me to admit it, I think the B1G (due to lack of strength and bowl success) and Big 12 (due to lack of CCG) will be fighting over the last spot. The win by FSU in the national championship game and their historical success as well as the win by Clemson over OSU in the Orange Bowl places the ACC champion in a much stronger position moving forward in my opinion. I think these wins strengthened the national perception of the ACC. The SEC champion will get a definite nod and the Pac 12 champion likely will as well given the success of Oregon, USC, et. al.
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Funny but as an eastcoaster who lived in S.Cal for a few yrs I think the Pac12 is WAY overrated. Maybe due to the fact their's so much to do entertainmentwise and few follow or care. I remember the excitement brought to us eastcoasters in LA when we ate breakfast in the same Hollywood restaurant with the 69/70 OSU Rose Bowl team one Dec morning but the "locals" didnt blink an eye 44 yrs ago when I was 18 and a young serviceman in town.
 
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Nicky...

Your posts make my hands tremble over the keys wanting to edit.

I do know that I may be slightly neurotic since I had 12 years of Dominican/Jesuit schooling through high school.

And, yes, I still have sweaty dreams of diagramming sentences on a blackboard, overseen by an impatient Sister Charles Bronson.
 
billybud said:
Nicky...

Your posts make my hands tremble over the keys wanting to edit.
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It's New Jersey - it's a minor miracle that their street signs are in English.
 
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Fishy said:
It's New Jersey - it's a minor miracle that their street signs are in English.
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Having lived in CT, NY, MA, NH, and now Jersey, I can attest that at least NJ has street signs, which is better than Boston, whose focus seems to be on getting and many non-Bostonians as lost and screwed-up as possible.
 
kingdobbs said:
They will change their mind very quickly if the 4 team playoff turns out to be a cash pinata.
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^ This. In spades.

Money talks, BS walks. A successful 4-team playoff will only make fans want more, especially if the first round is played on campus. Maybe even the first two rounds.

I think it will go to eight teams pretty quickly...inside 5 years is my guess...and that will be it. Five auto bids, two at-large teams, and, a spot for one of the remaining conferences.
 
NickyNewark said:
Funny but as an eastcoaster who lived in S.Cal for a few yrs I think the Pac12 is WAY overrated!?! Maybe due to the fact their's so much to do entertainmentwise and few follow or care? I remember the excitement brought to us eastcoasters in LA when we ate breakfast in the same Hollywood restaurant with the 69/70 OSU Rose Bowl team one Dec morning but the "locals" didnt blink an eye 44 yrs ago when I was 18 and a young serviceman in town?
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None of those are questions?
 
itgoeslike said:
As an addendum to above. The one thing. We a a


Ole Miss has won six straight bowl games, so I'm not sure bowl streaks matter that much. FSU has juice right now, let's see what they do with it. But, their future, to some degree, will be predicated on the success of a conference that hasn't been very successful at football. Better up the OOC schedule.

The ACC and Big Ten should benefit from the format of a small selection committee that could be swayed by political pressure. The BCS, as bad as it was (and it was bad), at least included input from a variety of ranking methodologies. Now, we've regressed to the smokey back room, or better yet, championship figure skating, to anoint the CF final four.
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You are misinformed....

Ole Miss has won TWO consecutive bowl games....FSU has won six consecutive bowl games.
 
itgoeslike said:
As an addendum to above. The one thing. We a a


Ole Miss has won six straight bowl games, so I'm not sure bowl streaks matter that much. FSU has juice right now, let's see what they do with it. But, their future, to some degree, will be predicated on the success of a conference that hasn't been very successful at football. Better up the OOC schedule.

The ACC already schedules just as good, or, better, OOC games than any other league. Its winning those games consistently thats been the problem.

As for FSU, they have as much cache as any team in the FBS. That they underachieved (by their standards) in the 2000s did nothing to diminish that. What everybody saw from them this past season is just a hint of what you can expect from them going forward. Jimbo Fisher has them set up for a run similar to what Bobby Bowden had from '87-'01. For that reason, they will get serious consideration for any playoff scenario if they win the ACC, and, have just one loss during the season. Truth be told, unless there are three undefeated league champs from the other four leagues (not a very likely scenario, IMHO), they will not be left out. Especially if they beat Florida in the regular season.

Also, the success of therest of the ACC will have nothing to do with whether or not FSU would qualify, IMHO.

The ACC and Big Ten should benefit from the format of a small selection committee that could be swayed by political pressure. The BCS, as bad as it was (and it was bad), at least included input from a variety of ranking methodologies. Now, we've regressed to the smokey back room, or better yet, championship figure skating, to anoint the CF final four.
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Right now, the ACC has nosed ahead of the B1G in the race for the fourth spot. Now, the league has to do it again in 2014. Aside from FSU, will it?
 
billybud said:
You are misinformed....

Ole Miss has won TWO consecutive bowl games....FSU has won six consecutive bowl games.
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Uh no. . .

http://www.olemisssports.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/123013aab.html
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/coll...cle_0c730b52-bcd7-523e-b753-cf572cc0d250.html
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2013/...le-miss-over-georgia-tech-in-music-city-bowl/
http://www.dothanfirst.com/story/d/...-tech-in-music/21160/RunCcOIW7U-duckBh4FFCU2w
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=333640059

Etc.
 
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SouthronCross said:
Right now, the ACC has nosed ahead of the B1G in the race for the fourth spot. Now, the league has to do it again in 2014. Aside from FSU, will it?
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It can be argued that the ACC had a slightly better year than the B1G this year, but it's the first season in quite a long time that they've been even close to fourth best. The ACC realizes that conference play is a liability and have taken steps to strengthen their OOC schedule.
 
UCHuskies08 said:
None of those are questions?
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Yes what the F was I thinking? Thanks for making me aware. Haha yes, I'm questioning my mind in the early stages of a family(alzh) curse unfortunately at only 62. Please excuse me Huskie.
 
billybud said:
Nicky...

Your posts make my hands tremble over the keys wanting to edit.

I do know that I may be slightly neurotic since I had 12 years of Dominican/Jesuit schooling through high school.

And, yes, I still have sweaty dreams of diagramming sentences on a blackboard, overseen by an impatient Sister Charles Bronson.
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You think you're hands tremble?I realize that the south is famous for manner's so I hope you'll forgive my deficiencies and say a few hail Mary's for my condition on you're holiday(NLOI day). Back here in the east(not sure about the south) some younger seniors get an affliction(yes Fishy,even in NJ)called early onset Dementia of which me/my family has been cursed. Sorry to have to taint you're "page" with it but consider those who have to live with it!
 
Fishy said:
It's New Jersey - it's a minor miracle that their street signs are in English.
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I gave you you're customary one and a half likes for having stereotypes similar to some hayseeds and a sense of humor. I guess you're human too but I like you anyway.Ironically I live in NY and Conn.
 
Mr. Conehead said:
Having lived in CT, NY, MA, NH, and now Jersey, I can attest that at least NJ has street signs, which is better than Boston, whose focus seems to be on getting and many non-Bostonians as lost and screwed-up as possible.
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Forget the street signs, heck talking to my mom last night who still lives in NJ she was saying that the Boston/NE accent sounds cockney/greek and not even english to most NJ/NYer's.It's really funny because going up into even places where gaelic is still spoken on CapeBreton Island where many of my ancestors live I hear much better english.
 
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Is this thread EVER going to be about "Maryland's 157 million counterclaim..., why don't we close it to further posting?
 
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itgoeslike said:
Uh no. . .

http://www.olemisssports.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/123013aab.html
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/coll...cle_0c730b52-bcd7-523e-b753-cf572cc0d250.html
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2013/...le-miss-over-georgia-tech-in-music-city-bowl/
http://www.dothanfirst.com/story/d/...-tech-in-music/21160/RunCcOIW7U-duckBh4FFCU2w
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=333640059

Etc.
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Either you can't read the word consecutive..or just don't read schedules...

Ole Miss

2013...W
2012...W
2011...did not qualify (2-10)
2010...did not qualify
2009...W
2008...DNQ

FSU has won a bowl game every year for the last six years...
 
billybud said:
Either you can't read the word consecutive..or just don't read schedules...

Ole Miss

2013...W
2012...W
2011...did not qualify (2-10)
2010...did not qualify
2009...W
2008...DNQ

FSU has won a bowl game every year for the last six years...
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and ole miss has indeed won 6 consecutive bowls they played in.
 
But, as I said, FSU is current consecutive year bowl winning streak holder...

....and also holds the all time consecutive year bowl winning streak at 11.

...and holds the all time consecutive year bowl streak without a loss at 14 (one tie in there).
 
Nicky...

I am fairly informed re dementia...You most likely don't yet have early onset dementia. Memory loss and punctuation ambivalence are two different things.

You probably didn't mean dementia. My guess is that you meant "demented".

And in this world, demented isn't a bad default state.
 
billybud said:
Either you can't read the word consecutive..or just don't read schedules...

Ole Miss

2013...W
2012...W
2011...did not qualify (2-10)
2010...did not qualify
2009...W
2008...DNQ

FSU has won a bowl game every year for the last six years...
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Is it your writing skills or is it your memory that fails you? Perhaps it's both.

Here's what you wrote: "FSU, if champ, will be given the benefit of the doubt...having won six straight bowl games."

The word "consecutive" is nowhere to be found. But every article I linked to uses your exact language. Or maybe I should say 'misused" your exact language. I guess journalism isn't what it used to be. Anyhow, the fact that FSU needed a bowl win to avoid a seven loss season a few years ago is about irrelevant as Ole Miss's 6 straight bowl wins. Neither is going to matter to the playoff selection committee. FSU's past season will have an impact along with its on-field talent and record. What's amusing is that you bypassed the main point of the post to ensure a member of the SEC's B team isn't given too much credit. . .
 
I have a feeling that FSU will be a contender next year...It is always difficult to predict a final four, but I think that FSU will be a contender.

They have, at the very least, become part of the conversation with the SEC when one talks about the national championship.
 
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