LOL Pats Fans - it never ends

[PcketknfNiels]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, your a f%^&*ng idiot.

What exactly does this constitute?

And, for the record, the Pats haven't actually been caught on deflate-gate as of now. There's no smoking gun. Again, this really has nothing to do with the logic gap I've pointed out though, and you've at best merely inflected your opinion as to how the Brady and Rodgers situations are "completely opposite".

 

[zyron]

What exactly does this constitute?

And, for the record, the Pats haven't actually been caught on deflate-gate as of now. There's no smoking gun. Again, this really has nothing to do with the logic gap I've pointed out though, and you've at best merely inflected your opinion as to how the Brady and Rodgers situations are "completely opposite".

HAHAHAHAHA, wow, you really are a moron. I am done responding to you.

 

[upstater]

Trust me - when I was making the post, I knew you would be first up to tell me I was wrong. Bottom line - they have an equipment manager nicknamed the Deflater. There's nothing more a reasonable person needs to know.

Uh, no. The deflater is not the equipment manager. He's a ballboy. You gotta get the basics down. And this deflater, who is so good, managed on many occasions not to deflate the balls. He was even told to bring a rulebook to show the refs. what the proper gauge should be.

But even if the balls were manually deflated some games in the past, we don't know which ones.

And that's no more relevant than other players saying they had balls manipulated in the past.

What triggered this is the AFCCG footballs. The first one tested on the field, intercepted ball, was 11.75, a hair under.

The rest of the balls were as expected from natural temp changes. If they deflated them, they would have been lower.

 

[zyron]

Uh, no. The deflater is not the equipment manager. He's a ballboy. You gotta get the basics down. And this deflater, who is so good, managed on many occasions not to deflate the balls. He was even told to bring a rulebook to show the refs. what the proper gauge should be.

So why were they suspended indefinitely by the Pats today? Why aren't they standing by their "innocent" employees? Robert Kraft was adamant that they did nothing wrong, why isn't he backing them up?

 

[upstater]

None of you haters have had the balls to address this:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...best-recollection-on-a-key-piece-of-evidence/

Page 52 of the Wells report reveals that it was Anderson’s “best recollection” that he used before the game the gauge with the logo and the longer, crooked needle. In other words, Anderson recalls using the gauge before the game that, based on the halftime measurements, leads to a finding of no tampering.

So how did Ted Wells get around the “best recollection” of Walt Anderson? Wells persuaded Anderson to admit that it’s “certainly possible” he used the other gauge. And the company hired to provide technical support for the Wells report concluded based on a convoluted explanation appearing at pages 116-17 of the report that it is “more probable than not” that Anderson used the other gauge.

In other words, the Wells report concludes on this critical point that it’s “more probable than not” that Anderson’s “best recollection” was wrong.

Why should Anderson’s “best recollection” be doubted? He knew that there was a concern about tampering with the footballs. He presumably was paying more careful attention to the process of getting the balls filled with air before the AFC title game than he normally does.

So which gauge did you use, Walt, realizing that there could be a question later about the inflation of the footballs?

“Well, my best recollection is that I used the one with the long, crooked needle.”

Is it possible, Walt, that you used the other gauge that was available? You know, the one that for whatever reason measures the air pressure at 0.3 to 0.45 PSI lower?

“Well, I don’t know about that. . . .”

Isn’t it possible, Walt?

“Well, it’s certainly possible.”

That’s how investigations that start with a predetermined outcome and work backward unfold. (Holy crap, I think I’m beginning to agree with Don Yee.)

Right in the Wells Report, they cooked the findings to signal tampering, when the testimony of the referee who took the measurements would have lead to the conclusion there was no tampering. Let me bold the pertinent conclusion for you guys again:

"In other words, Anderson recalls using the gauge before the game that, based on the halftime measurements, leads to a finding of no tampering."

 

[upstater]

So why were they suspended indefinitely by the Pats today? Why aren't they standing by their "innocent" employees? Robert Kraft was adamant that they did nothing wrong, why isn't he backing them up?

You do realize that the NFL suspended them today, right?

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/5974...nfl-suspends-brady-4-games-deflated-footballs

The league also indefinitely suspended the two equipment staffers believed to have carried out the plan, including one who called himself "The Deflator."

 

[zyron]

You do realize that the NFL suspended them today, right?

The New England Patriots announced that "employees John Jastremski and James McNally have been indefinitely suspended without pay by the club, effective on May 6th



Unless the story changed, every article but AP is reporting they were suspended by Pats.

 

[upstater]

The New England Patriots announced that "employees John Jastremski and James McNally have been indefinitely suspended without pay by the club, effective on May 6th



Unless the story changed, every article but AP is reporting they were suspended by Pats.

It was in the NFL decision that came out with Wells. Reiterated today. Just like the Patriots can't reinstate Brady, they can't with the other employees either. Those guys will have to appeal the NFL's decision.

So, what do you think of the Walt Anderson gauge thing? Why would they go out of their way to lie about that?

 

[johnhuskies95]

Even though ESPN influence probably has something to do with the current conference situation UConn finds themselves in...

WTF does that have to do with what we're talking about?

 

[johnhuskies95]

Um because words mean things?

Obviously. But it's not a strong defense for Patriots fans. The guys behind the report would have to be idiots to use any kind of certainty in their language, even if they were 99.99999% sure.

 

[zyron]

So, what do you think of the Walt Anderson gauge thing? Why would they go out of their way to lie about that?

So, the Colts balls were then measured with the same needle, the end.

 

[upstater]

So, the Colts balls were then measured with the same needle, the end.

Why are the Colts balls relevant? The report dismissed their significance because only 4 were tested. Not the entire set. And yeah, they were measured with the same needle.

Do you even understand what is going on?

 

[zyron]

1:Why are the Colts balls relevant?2: The report dismissed their significance because only 4 were tested. Not the entire set. 3:And yeah, they were measured with the same needle.

Do you even understand what is going on?

1: Because if they were measured by the same needle then the difference in numbers still count, 100%
2: The Wells report did not dismiss the Colts balls numbers significance at all
3: See. #1


Do you even understand what is going on?

Yes, you are madly in love with Tom Brady. So much that if he raped and murdered your entire family in front of you, while the whole time saying he is Tom Brady, dropping his I.D. and DNA you would say it wasn't him to the cops. Then testify in his defense at his trial.

 

[jackanddanny8]

I'll say it again. My concern is Brady playing, and now loss of draft picks. The sissy stuff about cheating, I am less concerned about.

I was right when it was shown in the report that the balls were not deflated below what you'd expect.

The only way that wells came to another conclusion was by lying. That much has been proven by even Mike Florio at NBC and Peter King.

Who the hell cares about your argument of PSI. Its intent, not actualization, and it's a business not a science lab.

 

[PcketknfNiels]

HAHAHAHAHA, wow, you really are a moron. I am done responding to you.

I guess denial that this conversation ever happened is one way to get out of a corner...

 

[PcketknfNiels]

Why are the Colts balls relevant? The report dismissed their significance because only 4 were tested. Not the entire set. And yeah, they were measured with the same needle.

Do you even understand what is going on?

Clearly he does not. At some point you'd think he would question his motivation for even involving himself in this argument (especially as he continues to prove that he is an idiot) for such an extended period of time.

WTF does that have to do with what we're talking about?

Sigh, read your post that I replied to with that.

Simply put, ESPN perpetuating this cycle of self sustaining 'outrage' and manufactured interest/disappointment in this story is pretty clearly $ driven click-bait. Goodell, after having been battered for the better part of the past year (which has been mainly driven by ESPN as well) simply saw which way the wind was blowing and this was his reaction. This is the same ESPN that chose to look the other way and not really attack the NBA or their commissioner over the Donald Sterling fiasco last year (even though his abundant racism has been pretty well known-if hidden-for quite some time), for obvious financial reasons. The same ESPN that dragged Joe Paterno and involved him and his name much more in the Sandusky fiasco than what his role in that situation actually was. The same ESPN that made Tiger Woods out to be "THE WORST PERSON EVAR!!!!" because he slept around on his wife, which is something I presume a fairly large portion of professional athletes do. ESPN loves taking down big names because it means a lot of $$$ for them, but because they're a 24 hour network with numerous platforms of content to fill, they typically resort to having their on air personalities engage in a company wide pissing contest where the winner is the one that advocates for the most severe penalty/public perception hit/demonization/etc.

 

[zyron]

Clearly he does not. At some point you'd think he would question his motivation for even involving himself in this argument (especially as he continues to prove that he is an idiot) for such an extended period of time.



Sigh, read your post that I replied to with that.

Simply put, ESPN perpetuating this cycle of self sustaining 'outrage' and manufactured interest/disappointment in this story is pretty clearly $ driven click-bait. Goodell, after having been battered for the better part of the past year (which has been mainly driven by ESPN as well) simply saw which way the wind was blowing and this was his reaction. This is the same ESPN that chose to look the other way and not really attack the NBA or their commissioner over the Donald Sterling fiasco last year (even though his abundant racism has been pretty well known-if hidden-for quite some time), for obvious financial reasons. The same ESPN that dragged Joe Paterno and involved him and his name much more in the Sandusky fiasco than what his role in that situation actually was. The same ESPN that made Tiger Woods out to be "THE WORST PERSON EVAR!!!!" because he slept around on his wife, which is something I presume a fairly large portion of professional athletes do. ESPN loves taking down big names because it means a lot of $$$ for them, but because they're a 24 hour network with numerous platforms of content to fill, they typically resort to having their on air personalities engage in a company wide pissing contest where the winner is the one that advocates for the most severe penalty/public perception hit/demonization/etc.

You made fun of me for using your instead of you're, and you spewed this moronic pile of dog sh#^.

I think calling you a moron earlier was kind.

 

[upstater]

1: Because if they were measured by the same needle then the difference in numbers still count, 100%
2: The Wells report did not dismiss the Colts balls numbers significance at all
3: See. #1


Do you even understand what is going on?

Yes, you are madly in love with Tom Brady. So much that if he raped and murdered your entire family in front of you, while the whole time saying he is Tom Brady, dropping his I.D. and DNA you would say it wasn't him to the cops. Then testify in his defense at his trial.

First, I'll answer your questions below, but let's get this out of the way first:

You still haven't even addressed the FACT that the Wells people doubted Anderson and then flat out stated that he probably used the gauge that he said, to his best recollection, he did not use.

THEY LIED.

The Wells people are lying. Don't you get it?

As for the rest, you are wrong about #2. Therefore you are wrong about #1 and #3. In the Appendix, the Exponent people discussed 3 things about the Colts balls that made the comparisons difficult if not impossible. One, the balls showed weird readings with the gauges that they couldn't figure out. Specifically, ball #3 showed a much higher reading on Blakeman's device than on Prioleau's device, even though Blakeman's device was .4 under Prioleau's on all 3 other balls. No one could explain this, so they decided to discard that ball from the statistical analysis. Effectively, they had 12 Patriots balls with readings and 3 Colts balls. But, as some Patriots balls barely went down in pressure (.2 PSI), the report assumes that some balls were used in the game in cold wet conditions while others remained in the bag. In other words, what would be the ratings of Colts balls if all balls were tested. That's two factors that makes this comparison difficult. Third factor: why did they only test 4 Colts balls? They ran out of time before kickoff. They tested the Colts balls last. The Wells report even has this timed. The were tested after being in the shower room for 10 minutes. A Physicist Martin Schmaltz from BU wrote that this would be enough time for them to achieve equilibrium. It may also be enough time for some of the Patriots balls to achieve equilibrium.

Here are the relevant pages, BURIED in the Appendix:

All of these factors were found to contribute in varying degrees to changes in the internal pressure of footballs. However, given the magnitude of the temperature change that would have affected the footballs at halftime when they were brought from the field to the locker room, a key factor in explaining the difference in measurements between the Patriots and Colts footballs is timing; that is, the change in pressure with time as the footballs were brought from a colder environment (the field) to a warmer environment (the Officials Locker Room) at halftime.

If the Logo Gauge was used pre-game, the Patriots average halftime measurement will match the pressures predicted by the transient curves (with the Colts halftime measurements also matching the predicted range), but only if the testing of the Patriots balls began immediately once the footballs arrived in the Officials Locker Room at halftime and took no more than 4 minutes, and only if the majority of the Patriots game balls were wet. As noted, testing of the Patriots balls is likely to have begun no sooner than 2 minutes and is likely to have taken approximately 4 to 5 minutes. Further, based on statements made to Paul, Weiss (and subsequently conveyed to Exponent) by Patriots ballboys and game officials, we understand that some of the Patriots game balls may have been damp when tested at halftime, but none were waterlogged.

LOL, a torrential downpour!

 

[upstater]

Who the hell cares about your argument of PSI. Its intent, not actualization, and it's a business not a science lab.

Intent? What about admission? People have admitted altering balls. What happens to them?

 

[PcketknfNiels]

You made fun of me for using your instead of you're, and you spewed this moronic pile of dog sh#^.

I think calling you a moron earlier was kind.

I think we're long past the point of anyone around here taking you seriously. Also my explaining that clearly wasn't for you anyways, as I already knew it'd go over your head.

 

[PcketknfNiels]

First, I'll answer your questions below, but let's get this out of the way first:

You still haven't even addressed the FACT that the Wells people doubted Anderson and then flat out stated that he probably used the gauge that he said, to his best recollection, he did not use.

THEY LIED.

The Wells people are lying. Don't you get it?

As for the rest, you are wrong about #2. Therefore you are wrong about #1 and #3. In the Appendix, the Exponent people discussed 3 things about the Colts balls that made the comparisons difficult if not impossible. One, the balls showed weird readings with the gauges that they couldn't figure out. Specifically, ball #3 showed a much higher reading on Blakeman's device than on Prioleau's device, even though Blakeman's device was .4 under Prioleau's on all 3 other balls. No one could explain this, so they decided to discard that ball from the statistical analysis. Effectively, they had 12 Patriots balls with readings and 3 Colts balls. But, as some Patriots balls barely went down in pressure (.2 PSI), the report assumes that some balls were used in the game in cold wet conditions while others remained in the bag. In other words, what would be the ratings of Colts balls if all balls were tested. That's two factors that makes this comparison difficult. Third factor: why did they only test 4 Colts balls? They ran out of time before kickoff. They tested the Colts balls last. The Wells report even has this timed. The were tested after being in the shower room for 10 minutes. A Physicist Martin Schmaltz from BU wrote that this would be enough time for them to achieve equilibrium. It may also be enough time for some of the Patriots balls to achieve equilibrium.

Here are the relevant pages, BURIED in the Appendix:



LOL, a torrential downpour!

Instead of wasting your time trying to explain the nuts and bolts to someone who either can't or simply does not want to understand, you'd be better brushing it off with the reasoning I've given.

 

[johnhuskies95]

Clearly he does not. At some point you'd think he would question his motivation for even involving himself in this argument (especially as he continues to prove that he is an idiot) for such an extended period of time.



Sigh, read your post that I replied to with that.

Simply put, ESPN perpetuating this cycle of self sustaining 'outrage' and manufactured interest/disappointment in this story is pretty clearly $ driven click-bait. Goodell, after having been battered for the better part of the past year (which has been mainly driven by ESPN as well) simply saw which way the wind was blowing and this was his reaction. This is the same ESPN that chose to look the other way and not really attack the NBA or their commissioner over the Donald Sterling fiasco last year (even though his abundant racism has been pretty well known-if hidden-for quite some time), for obvious financial reasons. The same ESPN that dragged Joe Paterno and involved him and his name much more in the Sandusky fiasco than what his role in that situation actually was. The same ESPN that made Tiger Woods out to be "THE WORST PERSON EVAR!!!!" because he slept around on his wife, which is something I presume a fairly large portion of professional athletes do. ESPN loves taking down big names because it means a lot of $$$ for them, but because they're a 24 hour network with numerous platforms of content to fill, they typically resort to having their on air personalities engage in a company wide pissing contest where the winner is the one that advocates for the most severe penalty/public perception hit/demonization/etc.

Blaming ESPN in a sports argument is always hilarious. Well done.

 

[PcketknfNiels]

Blaming ESPN in a sports argument is always hilarious. Well done.

Yes, ESPN is at the forefront of journalistic integrity and not at all TMZ sports that does such things as over-emphasize athletes like Tebow and Manziel beyond any logical reason, or runs a show every morning that is a reference to a twitter hashtag that features 2 men with very questionable qualifications attempting to out-troll one another. Also ESPN television/radio personalities are typically responsible for their own opinions and not given strict guideline/talking points by their producers, it's just a coincidence that the entire 6am-6pm block of talk show programming ESPN features an unrealistically high number of people all having the exact same opinion about the various daily topics, and that said topics are discussed in the exact same order across all shows and platforms.

It's fairly common knowledge that ESPN creates and perpetuates their own sports news these days, rather than just reporting from a journalistic standpoint and letting the facts speak for themselves.

 

[mauconnfan]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...ed-tom-brady-new-england-patriots-deflategate

ESPN reported this fact!

 

[willie99]

amused by how many people embrace a kangaroo court, evidence be damned, we have opinions and it's probable that Brady may have known about something that may have happened, so there, take that. Whoop whoop whoop

so they embrace a man like Roger Goodell and enable him to use terms like "integrity" when he himself is a documented liar (Ray Rice anyone?) and has been preventing from overreaching on more than one occasion already

it's a great country, I hope the haters never get treated in the same fashion they embrace

you would think UConn fans would know better too, damn

 

[willie99]

1: Because if they were measured by the same needle then the difference in numbers still count, 100%
2: The Wells report did not dismiss the Colts balls numbers significance at all
3: See. #1


Do you even understand what is going on?

Yes, you are madly in love with Tom Brady. So much that if he raped and murdered your entire family in front of you, while the whole time saying he is Tom Brady, dropping his I.D. and DNA you would say it wasn't him to the cops. Then testify in his defense at his trial.

people acting as if there's no room for dissension are somewhat amusing to begin with, throw in asinine responses like this one and I can only shake my head

truth is, I shouldn't even respond to such poppycock, so this will be the last time a give such brilliance like this any attention what so ever

 

[tzznandrew]

Again, the facts of this case--the actual facts--undermine the NFL's position. Anyone who can read can at least see how ridiculously thin the evidence is. To come to a clear conclusion, you have to start with an open mind; too many here assumed the Pats were guilty and then worked from there.

I hate defending the Patriots as a Giants fan, but this whole thing is embarrassing to the NFL.

 

[Deepster]

Again. They cheated. Got caught. Got punished. Is it really more complex than that?

 

[upstater]

Again. They cheated. Got caught. Got punished. Is it really more complex than that?

Except for the fact that the balls weren't tampered with, you're right.

 

[willie99]

Again, the facts of this case--the actual facts--undermine the NFL's position. Anyone who can read can at least see how ridiculously thin the evidence is. To come to a clear conclusion, you have to start with an open mind; too many here assumed the Pats were guilty and then worked from there.

I hate defending the Patriots as a Giants fan, but this whole thing is embarrassing to the NFL.

QFT

thank you, and I hate the Giants, but that's a sign of respect