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i can tell you one thing...the recruits that back pat AND tn after this will be legendary and have the support of thousands. i am sure pat will be recruiting her tail off now that she has even more time.
 
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2nd ranked FORWARD, Nan. Not 2nd ranked player. I know...it's something...lol.

i do consider landing the 2nd ranked forward in the nation to be something. crazy, eh?
 

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i can tell you one thing...the recruits that back pat AND tn after this will be legendary and have the support of thousands. i am sure pat will be recruiting her tail off now that she has even more time.

She can only do so much.

And no matter how you sugar coat it, they will not be playing for Pat. If you don't think that matters, you are wrong.

Rules for her new position

 

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i do consider landing the 2nd ranked forward in the nation to be something. crazy, eh?

She is a very good rebounder. They need it. Impact freshman? Not so much.

And while ranked that, she ain't that. That would be Morgan Tuck.
 
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She is a very good rebounder. They need it. Impact freshman? Not so much.

And while ranked that, she ain't that. That would be Morgan Tuck.

um ok.. i would take Graves any day of the week.
 

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i can tell you one thing...the recruits that back pat AND tn after this will be legendary and have the support of thousands. i am sure pat will be recruiting her tail off now that she has even more time.
My understanding is that her new position precludes her from off-campus contacts, including phone calls. How can she do as you suggest?
 
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You just keeping digging yourself into a deeper hole with comments like that (see what I did there?)!
w/e...i am entitled to respond, right? would you like to just write my comments for me? not concerned.
She can only do so much.

And no matter how you sugar coat it, they will not be playing for Pat. If you don't think that matters, you are wrong.

Rules for her new position

of course it matters....but TN is TN. i hope all the naysayers report back when the storm passes.
 
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um ok.. i would take Graves any day of the week.
you can have her. which is a great thing cuz you do! ;) there is nothing wrong with Graves. she's a very good player. more impressed with what i've seen from her in HS than with Burdick, and she reminds me more of Glory than Jones does.

and for the record, while i get that you are an orange fan, Graves is simply not the player Tuck is. just because you say it doesn't make it so. Morgan has out performed Basharra by a proverbial mile in every single team they've been on.

That includes the 2 US junior national teams as well as the McD AA game. am i missing anything? and in the McD game, Morgan did a commendable job guarding Br. Stewart and still managed to score 18 points. so i get that some of the experts at HG think Graves is better, but the fine folks at ASGR and Peach State disagree.

I get that Tennessee fans are all about hope and potential promise, which is fine. argue that your kids are going to be really really good. Don't seriously try to say Graves is better than Tuck when there is 0 empirical evidence, and 100% of the evidence shows the opposite. I doubt you really care about your credibility on our board, but making comments (which granted are your opinions and that's fair) make you less so.

I also appreciate the civil tone of the discussions. All too often threads can go off the rails. so go ahead and disagree since I imagine it's your opinion, but at least please provide a shread of evidence...
 
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you can have her. which is a great thing cuz you do! ;) there is nothing wrong with Graves. she's a very good player. more impressed with what i've seen from her in HS than with Burdick, and she reminds me more of Glory than Jones does.

and for the record, while i get that you are an orange fan, Graves is simply not the player Tuck is. just because you say it doesn't make it so. Morgan has out performed Basharra by a proverbial mile in every single team they've been on.

That includes the 2 US junior national teams as well as the McD AA game. am i missing anything? and in the McD game, Morgan did a commendable job guarding Br. Stewart and still managed to score 18 points. so i get that some of the experts at HG think Graves is better, but the fine folks at ASGR and Peach State disagree.

I get that Tennessee fans are all about hope and potential promise, which is fine. argue that your kids are going to be really really good. Don't seriously try to say Graves is better than Tuck when there is 0 empirical evidence, and 100% of the evidence shows the opposite. I doubt you really care about your credibility on our board, but making comments (which granted are your opinions and that's fair) make you less so.

I also appreciate the civil tone of the discussions. All too often threads can go off the rails. so go ahead and disagree since I imagine it's your opinion, but at least please provide a shread of evidence...

IMHO graves is better. glad you all like tuck. she's great as well. like graves' toughness and rebounding better. that's what we need and that's what we will get.
 

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um ok.. i would take Graves any day of the week.

Why? Because she is a Lady Vol? The experts don't think so other than that silly #15 ESPN Ranking.

ASGR - Tuck 4, Graves 8
Bluestart - Tuck 9, Graves 8
MaxPreps - Tuck 1st team, Graves 3rd team

McDonalds game - Tuck 18 points, 3 rebounds - Graves 7 point (2-10), 11 rebounds
WBCA Senior game - Tuck 8 points 5 rebounds - Graves 4 points, 5 rebounds

I think you would find that only the homer of homers would take Graves over Tuck.
 
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and the reality is you can't on one hand say moriah's great ranking is accurate... then turn right around and claim graves' rating is not accurate. it's either one way or another.
 
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and the reality is you can't on one hand say moriah's great ranking is accurate... then turn right around and claim graves' rating is not accurate. it's either one way or another.

Great point you're right...so if UConn and Tenn play next year, the Huskies will only win by 30 instead of 40! Regardless, UConn is going to continue to OWN the LV's for a long, long time to come...get used to it!
 

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and the reality is you can't on one hand say moriah's great ranking is accurate... then turn right around and claim graves' rating is not accurate. it's either one way or another.
Except that there's a consensus that Moriah is the #2 prospect across multiple ranking services. It's not just ESPN.
 
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Why? Because she is a Lady Vol? The experts don't think so other than that silly #15 ESPN Ranking.

ASGR - Tuck 4, Graves 8
Bluestart - Tuck 9, Graves 8
MaxPreps - Tuck 1st team, Graves 3rd team

McDonalds game - Tuck 18 points, 3 rebounds - Graves 7 point (2-10), 11 rebounds
WBCA Senior game - Tuck 8 points 5 rebounds - Graves 4 points, 5 rebounds

I think you would find that only the homer of homers would take Graves over Tuck.

no offense but all of those numbers are really close and you conveniently, and predictably, discount the one rating system that this board worships on a daily basis (AKA the UCONN media mogul, ESPN) GRAVES #5, TUCK #15 oopsy!
 
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Great point you're right...so if UConn and Tenn play next year, the Huskies will only win by 30 instead of 40! Regardless, UConn is going to continue to OWN the LV's for a long, long time to come...get used to it!

thanks again for the meaningful contribution to the conversation.
 

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the one rating system that this board worships on a daily basis (AKA the UCONN media mogul, ESPN)
You sure have a way about you, Big O.

It's just not a way we're going to go tonight.

On edit: to be more specific, it's not just you. The topic remains viable. But if it's to remain open we need to steer away from thread deterioration and have dropped the necessary hints through a few disappearing posts.
 

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no offense but all of those numbers are really close and you conveniently, and predictably, discount the one rating system that you this board worships on a daily basis (AKA the UCONN media mogul, ESPN) GRAVES #5, TUCK #15 oopsy!
You'll actually find considerable criticism of HoopGurlz on here. The primary editor of HG got so pissed off last year during an exchange with Boneyarders that he vowed never to post on the site again, and he hasn't. HG is also not remotely based in Connecticut.

HG's justification for the rating of Morgan has been her 2009 injury. They in fact explictly stated she'd be a top 5 prospect without it. That makes no sense to me, but that was in print.

I think Graves is a good fit for Tennessee because she's from the state. Just like Glory Johnson stepped up and defended something that was unique and special about her home state(i.e., the LV program), Graves will come to fight for Tennessee. That being said, Morgan is a very talented player who is going to do great things at UConn when all is said and done.
 
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You'll actually find considerable criticism of HoopGurlz on here. The primary editor of HG got so pissed off last year during an exchange with Boneyarders that he vowed never to post on the site again, and he hasn't. HG is also not remotely based in Connecticut.

HG's justification for the rating of Morgan has been her 2009 injury. They in fact explictly stated she'd be a top 5 prospect without it. That makes no sense to me, but that was in print.

I think Graves is a good fit for Tennessee because she's from the state. Just like Glory Johnson stepped up and defended something that was unique and special about her home state(i.e., the LV program), Graves will come to fight for Tennessee. That being said, Morgan is a very talented player who is going to do great things at UConn when all is said and done.

very well said...and to morgan's injury, i would also add that draya carter was a top 5 player before she went down. very special player with one of the highest vertical jumps in WCBB history.
 
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This Graves and Tuck thing back and forth I don't know..... I hope for the Lady Vols that Graves does well. I don't know how they expect that to happen based on Glory's rating (was she #3 in the entire class)..... she was never able to deliver a final 4 appearance..... If Glory couldn't get Tenn to a FF, how will Graves fare? Stricklen was #7 or 8 I think..... she was spectacular sometimes, then didn't show for some games. Was it the coaching staff's failure to develop their stars???? I don't know..... I'd like to see Tenn be successful, I think it is good for WCBB, but as of now I don't see it. Maybe they will do well. Good luck to them.
 
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I think the importance of both size and depth tends to get overestimated. And so does how far teams will fall. Hasn't UConn been showing that for awhile now? The right coach could get Tennessee back to the Elite 8 with that roster. In part due to more clearly defined offensive roles because whoever is coaching doesn't have enough options to muck it up very much. Warlick probably isn't that coach, but if things break right she may anyway even if they have close to double digit losses again along the way.

Warlick can still trot out a starting lineup of entirely McDonald's All-Americans. There aren't 8 other teams in the country that can do that.

Massengale is capable of playing much better than she did as a freshman, particularly shooting the ball. There is a reason UConn recruited her so heavily and a reason she's consistently been the starting point guard for USA Basketball. She had better than a 2/1 assist to turnover ratio, the first Tennessee player to accomplish that was Kara Lawson. The last player to have more assists in a season was Marciniak. I don't think Massengale becomes a superstar, but she can be the foundation of a good team.

Around her you put Simmons and Spani. Two different kinds of wing players with now more defined roles. Burdick slots in fairly decently as a supporting player to fill in the gaps at the 4, which is her makeup. And I anticipate Bashara Graves will be starting at the 5 as a freshman, and I do like what i have seen so far from her. She should be able to rebound and score some as a freshman. Harrison is the backup post and Warlick has three guards to find a 6th man from. I'm sure they hope Carter is recovered enough from her ACL to be that player, but they can make do with Williams as they have in the past if the Elite 8 is the goal.

If they have injuries like they have been having for the last few years they're obviously in deep trouble, but if they stay healthy and can ride their starting lineup they will be relatively okay and I wouldn't be surprised if this was the first Tennessee team in a decade to have more assists than turnovers. In part because there are a few atypical Tennessee players on the roster and in part because they may actually develop a little offensive chemistry by having the same players play significant minutes together even if the offensive coaching isn't great. They'll most likely be a Sweet 16 team, but like Notre Dame I wouldn't be that surprised if they ended up in the Elite 8 because the reality is there are very few teams with their top end talent, and top end talent tends to carry teams pretty far in basketball.
 
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In fact, talking about Tuck, she was #1 in her class 3 or 4 yrs ago before the injury. Hopefully the injury is well in the rear view mirror.
 
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This Graves and Tuck thing back and forth I don't know..... I hope for the Lady Vols that Graves does well. I don't know how they expect that to happen based on Glory's rating (was she #3 in the entire class)..... she was never able to deliver a final 4 appearance..... If Glory couldn't get Tenn to a FF, how will Graves fare? Stricklen was #7 or 8 I think..... she was spectacular sometimes, then didn't show for some games. Was it the coaching staff's failure to develop their stars???? I don't know..... I'd like to see Tenn be successful, I think it is good for WCBB, but as of now I don't see it. Maybe they will do well. Good luck to them.

whoa whoa....don't leave out the years of many, many injuries to that group. not an excuse but they do matter and we have been swamped with odd injuries for the last 4 years. glory is one person.
 
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I think the importance of both size and depth tends to get overestimated. And so does how far teams will fall. Hasn't UConn been showing that for awhile now? The right coach could get Tennessee back to the Elite 8 with that roster. In part due to more clearly defined offensive roles because whoever is coaching doesn't have enough options to muck it up very much. Warlick probably isn't that coach, but if things break right she may anyway even if they have close to double digit losses again along the way.

Warlick can still trot out a starting lineup of entirely McDonald's All-Americans. There aren't 8 other teams in the country that can do that.

Massengale is capable of playing much better than she did as a freshman, particularly shooting the ball. There is a reason UConn recruited her so heavily and a reason she's consistently been the starting point guard for USA Basketball. She had better than a 2/1 assist to turnover ratio, the first Tennessee player to accomplish that was Kara Lawson. The last player to have more assists in a season was Marciniak. I don't think Massengale becomes a superstar, but she can be the foundation of a good team.

Around her you put Simmons and Spani. Two different kinds of wing players with now more defined roles. Burdick slots in fairly decently as a supporting player to fill in the gaps at the 4, which is her makeup. And I anticipate Bashara Graves will be starting at the 5 as a freshman, and I do like what i have seen so far from her. She should be able to rebound and score some as a freshman. Harrison is the backup post and Warlick has three guards to find a 6th man from. I'm sure they hope Carter is recovered enough from her ACL to be that player, but they can make do with Williams as they have in the past if the Elite 8 is the goal.

If they have injuries like they have been having for the last few years they're obviously in deep trouble, but if they stay healthy and can ride their starting lineup they will be relatively okay and I wouldn't be surprised if this was the first Tennessee team in a decade to have more assists than turnovers. In part because there are a few atypical Tennessee players on the roster and in part because they may actually develop a little offensive chemistry by having the same players play significant minutes together even if the offensive coaching isn't great. They'll most likely be a Sweet 16 team, but like Notre Dame I wouldn't be that surprised if they ended up in the Elite 8 because the reality is there are very few teams with their top end talent, and top end talent tends to carry teams pretty far in basketball.

best post all night!
 
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With Tenn next year, I can't help but believe that degree of success depends on Simmons..... she is so dynamic..... if she can be reined in discipline wise (cut down on the run and gun, get teammates involved), she can carry the team on her back in spurts anyway. An exciting mover of the rock, and good shooter as well.
 
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