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IMind said:
This was a no brainer all the way around. I don't know if Lin will be develop or if he was just a flash in the pan, but there's no way it was happening in New York. It just doesn't make any sense to gamble what the Knicks had to gamble to see if Lin could develop into a serviceable player...
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Gamble with... what ? It cost them virtually nothing to match that offer. NOW they are concerned about money ? Please. Biggest dick move of all time by the Knicks. They are absolutely a better team WITH Lin than without. The other PGs on the team are a fat never-was and a 39 year old fresh off a DUI. fun-hating BRILLIANT
 
aceboon said:
good read from SI, makes the Waquoit narrative that Lin couldn't stand Melo and hatched a plan to do anything he could to get out of NY look even more dumb than it already sounds. his agents overplayed it and pissed Dolan off, that is why he isn't in NY anymore, its obvious he wanted to return.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...eremy-lin-exclusive/index.html?sct=nba_t11_a0
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Wow, talk about cutting off you nose to spite your face. The Knicks are easily the worst run team in sports on the entire planet Earth.
 
JaYnYcE said:
Well unless Broussard and Stephen A we're recently getting false information, that's not what they've been saying on SC the past week. I doubt they would put their careers on the line for such a blatant lie.


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I don't doubt you have heard from reporters recently saying that about Lin.

I prefer to go off of published reports at the time of the event and not reports being skewed currently.

I have not seen one article from the time of the playoffs stating Lin was cleared by doctors. In fact, every article I've seen says he wasn't, many with direct quotes from Woodson and Lin.

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I don't watch sportscenter, but they can easily get away with saying he could have played without coming close to ruining their career in any manner of ways.
 
Think about Stephen A. Smith trying to claim that it was Lin's big head & ego that caused a sense of resentment in the locker room.

In other situations when something from the locker room leaks out or if someone makes a public statement. Stephen A. would go on some crazy rant about locker room code, and being a professional, about not bringing locker room stuff out to the public.

J.R. Smith is publicly talking about resentment of a teammate before he has even left the team. And now instead of admonishing J.R. Smith for publicizing it, Stephen A. is defending him and stating it's all created by Jeremy Lin? I still haven't heard Jeremy Lin say anything negative about the Knicks. Losing Jeremy Lin for nothing sucks, trying to use these mouthpieces to smear him and make him the scapegoat is pathetic.
 
Stephen A. Smith is a joke, watching him talk about Lin the past season and it was clear as day that he resented the hell out of all the attention Lin received. When other reporters said they thought Lin would still be the starter when Baron Davis came back he laughed and mocked them, saying Lin couldn't hold Baron's jock. He made it out like Baron Davis was still in all-star form and Lin was some little high school scrub, I always found it very demeaning the way he talked about Lin.
 
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Jeremy Lin doesn't like Carmelo Anthony. And Carmelo Anthony doesn't like Jeremy Lin. Or rather, doesn't like the attention that Lin garnered.

If Jeremy Lin truly wanted to play for New York, he would not have signed a deal that was so obviously crippling to his chances of doing so.
 
For as bad Stephen A is Frank Isola is 10x worse, I don't know how he's made it to top Knicks beat writer by being such a miserable bastard, if I was a fellow writer and had to be in the same vicinity with this character on a regular basis it would be a struggle not to put hands on this guy. The smear campaign he's been leading against Lin on twitter is unbelievable right now.
 
Stephen A. comes off as a . You want an example of a guy who thinks he's way smarter than he actually is, there you go.
 
Fishy said:
Jeremy Lin doesn't like Carmelo Anthony. And Carmelo Anthony doesn't like Jeremy Lin. Or rather, doesn't like the attention that Lin garnered.

If Jeremy Lin truly wanted to play for New York, he would not have signed a deal that was so obviously crippling to his chances of doing so.
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Nope, not buying Lin didn't want to return, I don't think he or his agents understood how Dolan operates and what kind of grudge he would hold. If he didn't want to come back I doubt he would've openly on the team that he's pretty much the face of now(the Rockets) by saying I preferred to be in New York.
 
Fishy said:
If Jeremy Lin truly wanted to play for New York, he would not have signed a deal that was so obviously crippling to his chances of doing so.
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How did it go from we'll match anything to 8.5 million a year is too crippling for the Knicks who have Amare for 20 million a year uninsured. Lin didn't structure the contract, nor did the Rockets, the Knicks can only match this way due to the CBA and being over the cap. The only thing the Rockets can do is increase the offer to hurt the Knicks with tax in the 3rd year. For the record the Knicks will be paying the same type of tax on Kidd, Felton.
 
also, for the Lin can't work with Melo contingent, for the 7 games that Lin played with Melo under Woodson with the actual roster intact, the Knicks went 6-1 and per 36 minutes, Lin averaged 17,7 & 5.
 
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aceboon said:
also, for the Lin can't work with Melo contingent, for the 7 games that Lin played with Melo under Woodson with the actual roster intact, the Knicks went 6-1 and per 36 minutes, Lin averaged 17,7 & 5.
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Besides, the entire point here is that the only time in the last decade or more that the Knicks were both relevant AND fun, was with Jeremy Lin at PG. Thank you very much, James Dolan, for taking a gigantic on Knicks fans. Even better that you would do it out of spite because you are as mature as a preschooler.
 
I didn't feel terribly about this before, but seeing how bent Deadrody is about it has made me downright giddy, and more convinced than ever that it is the right move for the Knicks.
 
Why can't the Knicks just say they didn't think it was worth it matching the Lin contract, the bashing of him is ridiculous. Many Knicks fans really enjoyed what Lin brought to the team this year so management will have to hear some boos for this decision but making Lin out to be the villain and a lockerroom cancer and not willing to play when he's healthy. This is tacky and shallow as hell, this might be the final straw for me being a Knicks fan.
 
Lin is an average to above average guard in a diluted nba. Even mario chalmers sent him reeling. He needs to learn how to be a pg and run a team. He was the right guy in the right place in ny. The make up of the team is dysfunctional at best. Melo is not ever going to bring you a championship, and he needs to have the ball. The knicks are no worse without Lin and no better. felton is ok but he's not the answer. Kidd need to stop acting like a kid and be ready to contribute. Felton needs to get away from the big macs and get in shape. Dolan is a jerk, but he made the right decision for the knicks from a financial standpoint. Lin made the right decision to test the market and thus gets a nice payday.
 
Deadrody said:
Besides, the entire point here is that the only time in the last decade or more that the Knicks were both relevant AND fun, was with Jeremy Lin at PG. Thank you very much, James Dolan, for taking a gigantic on Knicks fans. Even better that you would do it out of spite because you are as mature as a preschooler.
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Agree. Even if the Knicks weren't title ready, at least Lin gave the fans reason to watch the team again. He brought a new and young fan base to the Knicks with excitement. Sometimes teams need to look at the seats as well as the court. I would bet that fans were excited about another year with Lin. He certainly isn't a superstar or an All Star but he showed he belonged in NYC and on the court. In addition, Kidd would have made him better. He was worth the money in publicity and ticket sales (including merchandise) alone. Now who on the Knicks is worth rooting for??
 
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superjohn said:
Why can't the Knicks just say they didn't think it was worth it matching the Lin contract, the bashing of him is ridiculous. Many Knicks fans really enjoyed what Lin brought to the team this year so management will have to hear some boos for this decision but making Lin out to be the villain and a lockerroom cancer and not willing to play when he's healthy. This is tacky and shallow as hell, this might be the final straw for me being a Knicks fan.
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Where are you seeing anyone who actually represents the Knicks doing any of this? It is all media reports and speculation from what I have seen.

There are some facts to consider, one being that the Knicks' ability to pay Lin "what he was worth" was constrained significantly by some arcane NBA CBA rules that prevented them from being able to offer anything near what Houston offered without having a contract to match. It requires even greater speculation to conjecture that Lin would have accepted what they could have offered out of the gates than it does to believe that Lin conspired with Houston to increase the offer beyond what the Knicks could justify.

The best argument any Lin supporter seems to be able to muster is that the Knicks have always spent foolishly, so why should they stop now. I don't disagree with the first part, but I don't agree with the second. If Lin wanted to stay in New York (which I am not convinced is the case), he and his agent miscalculated and overplayed his hand.

I am not against Lin by any stretch. I just think it's time to move on, and that those who want to put this all on Dolan have a convenient scapegoat and a very thin argument.
 
Edward Sargent said:
The article tries to make it out as his fault becasue he didn't play at 85%. I agree it was Melo
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Given that we seem to have a concensus when it comes to college conference realignment and relative conference strength that ESPN has to be viewed as protecting its own economic interests and not as a source of journalism, why would anyone take seriously and literally what Steven A. says? He is trying to further his celebrity and protect his relationship with sources
 
Kitaman said:
Agree. Even if the Knicks weren't title ready, at least Lin gave the fans reason to watch the team again. He brought a new and young fan base to the Knicks with excitement. Sometimes teams need to look at the seats as well as the court. I would bet that fans were excited about another year with Lin. He certainly isn't a superstar or an All Star but he showed he belonged in NYC and on the court. In addition, Kidd would have made him better. He was worth the money in publicity and ticket sales (including merchandise) alone. Now who on the Knicks is worth rooting for??
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I'm guessing that you haven't been in the market for Knicks tickets in a very long time. They don't have any problem putting fannies in the seats, with or without Lin. And from what I understand, merchandise revenue is divided among the teams.

It is sad that the fairytale, feel-good story is over in New York, but the fuss people are making out of the potential effect on the franchise is some of the craziest, most nonsensical stuff I've ever seen.
 
visitor123 said:
How did it go from we'll match anything to 8.5 million a year is too crippling for the Knicks who have Amare for 20 million a year uninsured. Lin didn't structure the contract, nor did the Rockets, the Knicks can only match this way due to the CBA and being over the cap. The only thing the Rockets can do is increase the offer to hurt the Knicks with tax in the 3rd year. For the record the Knicks will be paying the same type of tax on Kidd, Felton.
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I don't think there's a single grain of truth or accuracy to anything in your post.
 
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8893 said:
I'm guessing that you haven't been in the market for Knicks tickets in a very long time. They don't have any problem putting fannies in the seats, with or without Lin. And from what I understand, merchandise revenue is divided among the teams.

It is sad that the fairytale, feel-good story is over in New York, but the fuss people are making out of the potential effect on the franchise is some of the craziest, most nonsensical stuff I've ever seen.
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Who here is claiming this will affect the franchise ? NOBODY. Every game will still be a sellout, including the first round playoff loss for a middling .500 team. Yippee for them. As for spending money, the Knicks were already going to be over the luxury tax threshold, with or without Jeremy Lin. And they had zero roster or salary cap flexibility so long as Stat and Melo were on the team, a condition that would end - coincidentally - at the same time Jeremy Lin's Houston offer sheet contract would have expired.

The Knicks "franchise" will be fine. It is exceptionally unlikely that signing Lin would have changed the arc of the franchise. But that isn't the point.

BTW, good to know for sure that you are a class A .
 
8893 said:
I don't think there's a single grain of truth or accuracy to anything in your post.
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The Rockets, by virtue of the CBA, offered the max they could in years 1 and 2. Only year 3 was at their discretion.
 
Deadrody said:
Besides, the entire point here is that the only time in the last decade or more that the Knicks were both relevant AND fun, was with Jeremy Lin at PG. Thank you very much, James Dolan, for taking a gigantic on Knicks fans. Even better that you would do it out of spite because you are as mature as a preschooler.
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Exactly this. I am still livid and this has killed any of my enthusiasm for the Knicks this upcoming season.

Everyone here saying Lin is average is full of it too. Did anyone actually watch the games? Lin was a hell of a player that had the ability to make all his teammates rise with him.

But of course, he must suck because he had a bad game against the eventual champions with Wade, James and company foaming at the mouth to shut him down. Do people now think James Harden sucks? He had 4 bad games vs. Miami in the Finals and he's been in the league for a few seasons.

That's another thing, how can you possibly judge Lin will be average based on this 25 game run? How many players in the NBA get significantly worse with more court time and experience? Look at the numbers, look at the wins, look at the fandom. I never saw anything like it.

The fact that our piece of owner got caught up in some petty drama is just truly indicative of his embarrassingly poor decision making and how he took a proud franchise and has ran it into the ground.

The Knicks finally got the one lucky break they have needed for years and instead of keeping Lin, they let him walk for nothing. Just so fcking typical.
 
8893 said:
It is sad that the fairytale, feel-good story is over in New York, but the fuss people are making out of the potential effect on the franchise is some of the craziest, most nonsensical stuff I've ever seen.
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What's nonsensical is a billionaire owner not resigning the best thing to happen to the franchise in over a decade for all of $5M.

I don't want to hear the luxury tax spin either. That's not specific to Lin, if they didn't want to pay the tax you don't sign Novak, Camby, Kidd and Felton.

You sign the guy that has a chance to be a star and gave the Knicks their best stretch of fun, entertaining and winning basketball since 1999.
 
Deadrody said:
Who here is claiming this will affect the franchise ? NOBODY. Every game will still be a sellout, including the first round playoff loss for a middling .500 team. Yippee for them. As for spending money, the Knicks were already going to be over the luxury tax threshold, with or without Jeremy Lin. And they had zero roster or salary cap flexibility so long as Stat and Melo were on the team, a condition that would end - coincidentally - at the same time Jeremy Lin's Houston offer sheet contract would have expired.

The Knicks "franchise" will be fine. It is exceptionally unlikely that signing Lin would have changed the arc of the franchise. But that isn't the point.

BTW, good to know for sure that you are a class A .
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I can't help you with your reading comprehension, but I will wear your labeling me a class A as a badge of honor in any event.

businesslawyer said:
The Rockets, by virtue of the CBA, offered the max they could in years 1 and 2. Only year 3 was at their discretion.
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I get that. How does that translate into neither them nor Lin structuring the contract? That's exactly what they did. More power to them, as it seems that they got exactly what they wanted. And the Knicks' ability to match had nothing to do with them being over the cap; it was solely because they were his existing team, which also significantly limited their ability to offer him anything close without having an offer sheet to match. Houston also had other options, including a fourth year (or more). But in the end they chose the one most effective in terms of getting them what they wanted. Again, kudos to them because it worked.

Every sentence in the OP post was wrong: It was not $8.5M per year to the Knicks; Lin and the Rockets did structure the contract (twice, in fact); being over the cap is not what afforded the Knicks the opportunity to match; the Rockets had other options (although likely less effective for their purposes); and the tax on Kidd and Felton combined is a small fraction of what it would have been on Lin.
 
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