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Vowelguy said:
I disagree. Who among the B1G SEC B12 ACC wants ND to join a conference?
I argue none of them.
If they did, they would be out there saying "ND needs to make a decision."
And yet silence.
Because they know if ND joins one, it will likely be their competitor, and thus they get weaker by comparison.
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Hasn’t the B10 been holding the door wide open for them for several decades?

I see the argument, but I think the SEC/B10 in general would rather that ND be part of “their” system, rather than the ACC tie-in, which is a conference they’re actively looking to leave behind.

The ACC/B12 would similarly be thrilled as it would give them a fighting chance (or at least more of one) in an environment where the Big 2 are waiting to strip them of their top teams and discard the rest.

Self-interest and greed are the only real drivers of these ships. Otherwise the decision-making in CR would have been vastly different so far.
 
Vowelguy said:
I disagree. Who among the B1G SEC B12 ACC wants ND to join a conference?
I argue none of them.
If they did, they would be out there saying "ND needs to make a decision."
And yet silence.
Because they know if ND joins one, it will likely be their competitor, and thus they get weaker by comparison.
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You fail to recognize the financial value it brings to the conference. None of this is about keeping out "good competition". Or else they'd bring Uconn in.
 
whiffnutmeg said:
Hasn’t the B10 been holding the door wide open for them for several decades?

I see the argument, but I think the SEC/B10 in general would rather that ND be part of “their” system, rather than the ACC tie-in, which is a conference they’re actively looking to leave behind.

The ACC/B12 would similarly be thrilled as it would give them a fighting chance (or at least more of one) in an environment where the Big 2 are waiting to strip them of their top teams and discard the rest.

Self-interest and greed are the only real drivers of these ships. Otherwise the decision-making in CR would have been vastly different so far.
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You misunderstand the point. YES every conference would LOVE to have ND.
But they dont want to force ND into the arms of another.

  • Why doesn't the SEC tell ND "make a decision" Because the SEC knows ND is unlikely to pick them and will only make their competitor the B1G stronger, or, even worse, save the ACC.
  • Why doesnt the B12 tell ND "make a decision." Because if they pick the ACC, the B12 becomes conference #4?
  • Why doesn't the ACC tell ND "make a decision." While ND could pick them, they also could not, and then the ACC ends up even worse off.
  • similar for B1G

The only people who want ND to join a conference are CFB fans. I've seen no evidence that any leagues have interest in forcing ND to make a choice.
 
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RuffRuff said:
You fail to recognize the financial value it brings to the conference. None of this is about keeping out "good competition". Or else they'd bring Uconn in.
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By competitor, I meant competitor conference.
 
man if ND joined the ACC and revives it, it might be the move that single-handedly saves college football and forces the tide to turn toward sanity/normalcy again. Pac12 comes back, Mountain West takes back their children, Big East Football comes back with ACC castaways, which is good enough for UConn, and everyone has around 12 teams again.

i know this isn't what happens, but one can dream
 
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From a strictly financial standpoint- it would be in ND best interest to join Big10

They might not like sharing the spotlight with all the other big Midwestern Universities
 
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Vowelguy said:
I think it's the ACC's active lobbying for one of its members (Miami) over another (ND).
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I'm confident that this is what he was getting at but I don't see how it holds water. All conferences lobby for their schools. ND is not a football member of the ACC. The lobbying in question was for football and only football.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
I'm confident that this is what he was getting at but I don't see how it holds water. All conferences lobby for their schools. ND is not a football member of the ACC. The lobbying in question was for football and only football.
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very fair...agreed...ND lawyers may be successful (enough) when parsing through the contract to renegotiate their affiliation or negotiate a cheaper settlement.

Does ND have any say as to which 5 ACC teams they play each year? ND should try to push for more control, as perhaps a few opponent changes could have led to a stark difference in SOS and SOR.

Their ACC lineup was weak this year...

10-2 Miami
8-4 Pittsburgh
7-5 NC State
4-8 Stanford (annual matchup)
3-9 Syracuse
2-10 Boston College
 
FfldCntyFan said:
I'm confident that this is what he was getting at but I don't see how it holds water. All conferences lobby for their schools. ND is not a football member of the ACC. The lobbying in question was for football and only football.
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ND is not an associate though. It is a full
member of the conference. And the conference advocated for one school over another.

Not exactly the same, but suppose the big East started arguing the Providence was more deserving of a NCAA Hockey bid than UConn?
 
FfldCntyFan said:
I'm confident that this is what he was getting at but I don't see how it holds water. All conferences lobby for their schools. ND is not a football member of the ACC. The lobbying in question was for football and only football.
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Look I’m no ND fan but I can absolutely understand where the Irish are coming from. They are still in the ACC in 24 sports. The ACC was lobbying for Duke too when they had a 0.1% chance of making the playoff. It wouldn’t have hurt to say something like “Pick Miami but we’d be happy for ND if they get in” or something like that.
 
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goldendomer said:
At this point just to burn the ACC to the ground let’s roll
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Unless ACC was a good landing sport for UConn...I'm all for wrecking ACC...my concern is that it would lead to Big10, Big12, and SEC conferences getting even bigger which already causes issues with unbalanced regular season conference schedules, etc...
 
GampelGladiator said:
Does ND have any say as to which 5 ACC teams they play each year?
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No . It’s supposed to rotate thru all members.

NDs deal with Clemson is an attempt to circumvent that.

They likely are using the current kerfluffle to push their case
 
Am I crazy in thinking that ND leaving would be beneficial to us?

Outside of football, ND is middling in everything else. Im pretty sure our basketball alone out draws all of their non football teams.

The 5 football game deal is also not that big of a deal when half of them are on NBC and the ACC gets no money for them.
 
BigTenFan said:
From a strictly financial standpoint- it would be in ND best interest to join Big10

They might not like sharing the spotlight with all the other big Midwestern Universities
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It always seemed that Notre Dame didn't want to get pigeon holed into being a Midwestern university. But, the Big 10 now includes schools on the east coast, Rutgers and Maryland, and west coast, USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington. So maybe the Big 10 adds Stanford, a Notre Dame rival, and Notre Dame.
 
I'd sign up for this conference...included East Carolina as a thank you for Tristen!

Basketball squads will play a couple of Big East teams annually in non-conference.

Well...actually...I think it would be 'fine' for football...but pretty weak for basketball...

Nevermind...I guess...unless better than FB independence

Army
Boston College
East Carolina
Louisville
Memphis
Navy
North Carolina State
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Temple
UConn
Wake Forest
 
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