Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[CL82]

I just don’t see Clemson and FSU in the ACC after 2030-31. B1G will probably take them. They’ve given up on caring about the academics.

I've stopped trying to figure this stuff out. Better, at least for my mental health, just to wait and see with a huge dose of skepticism.

 

[UConn Dan]

Regarding ACC going to 9 game schedule.

 

[bendm]

To me, there are a few ways the next round of expansion could go. The SEC and B1G could both end up with 20 schools or one could end up with 18 while the other has 20. Let's discuss the latter scenario

TLDR but UVA is a garbage football program. 0% chance they’re invited to sec or BIG and the big12 would take Lville and Pitt over them, Not to mention NC State and VTech. Do not reply with something about academics. if the BIG still cared about academics they would have taken Cal & Stanford. Both have better academics and football pedigrees than UVA.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

B1G drives a wedge in to SEC and ACC territory- UVA, UNC, GT and Miami. They can skip a stone across South Carolina.

The SEC has shown no interest in Clemson and FSU. They already have what those schools offer.

UNC is the only school that likely has a landing spot.

They would be interested if the B1G was interested
Fla Texas and California are the prime recruiting areas

 

[freescooter]

TLDR but UVA is a garbage football program. 0% chance they’re invited to sec or BIG and the big12 would take Lville and Pitt over them, Not to mention NC State and VTech. Do not reply with something about academics. if the BIG still cared about academics they would have taken Cal & Stanford. Both have better academics and football pedigrees than UVA.

That is my take too. At one time the Bug care about academic fit, but I think they would not take a highly rated academic institution that was not also a solid athletic one. And they would draw the line at a Louisville I suspect. But leaving Cal and Stanford indicates they aren’t taking Virginia.

 

[BigTenFan]

Does all this really matter when cable becomes obsolete and everything is streaming and you pay as you go?

 

[billybud]

I just don’t see Clemson and FSU in the ACC after 2030-31. B1G will probably take them. They’ve given up on caring about the academics.

I don't see Clemson in the B1G...SEC seems right

Maybe FSU to the B1G but I would think SEC...

FSU is ranked by USNWR National Universities higher than Minnesota, Michigan State, Penn State, Indiana, Iowa...AAU is a club where the members vote you in and FSU probably isn't high on their list....But FSU has been aiming for AAU...has doubled their number of National Academy members in the last two years and is expanding medical research and building a new hospital...Maybe not AAU invited but a decent academic school. But to most fans, the SEC seems right

 

[ScottVib]

FSU’s academics would be fine for the Big Ten. Notre Dame is their preferred #1, 2 and 3. Then North Carolina followed by FSU & (yes despite the athletics) Virginia. I’d be shocked if anyone else is on their list beyond that.


Clemson’s biggest appeal to a P2 is as a plus one for someone more desirable and only exists if they are a consistent 10+ win team. If they go through a cycle of being good but not great (as they’ve been prone to do) their attraction to either the SEC or Big Ten goes from low to none.

 

[KryHavok]

Clemson’s biggest appeal to a P2 is as a plus one for someone more desirable and only exists if they are a consistent 10+ win team. If they go through a cycle of being good but not great (as they’ve been prone to do) their attraction to either the SEC or Big Ten goes from low to none.

Hmmm, that would put them in the same boat as us...now if only someone in Clemson had the ability to critically think, see the forest for the trees, and decide to make their conference better by inviting (or at least not exercise their veto against) a high standard and better rated school with excellence in sports that would significantly complement their conference...then again, I'm a pragmatist and don't expect them or their conference to ever do anything that could positively impact us.

 

[Kolumbo]

FSU’s academics would be fine for the Big Ten. Notre Dame is their preferred #1, 2 and 3. Then North Carolina followed by FSU & (yes despite the athletics) Virginia. I’d be shocked if anyone else is on their list beyond that.


Clemson’s biggest appeal to a P2 is as a plus one for someone more desirable and only exists if they are a consistent 10+ win team. If they go through a cycle of being good but not great (as they’ve been prone to do) their attraction to either the SEC or Big Ten goes from low to none.

it really would be amazing if Clemson were ultimately left out of the cartel. The P2 would each want to go to say 24 at least in order for the Big 10 to want to march down the entire Atlantic Coast

Clemson is still very sore about UConn, probably still trying to figure out how they missed that Scott Burrell was a major league caliber pitcher

 

[Fishy]

TLDR but UVA is a garbage football program. 0% chance they’re invited to sec or BIG and the big12 would take Lville and Pitt over them, Not to mention NC State and VTech. Do not reply with something about academics. if the BIG still cared about academics they would have taken Cal & Stanford. Both have better academics and football pedigrees than UVA.

You do not have any clue how any of this works.

 

[superjohn]

You do not have any clue how any of this works.

He's right about UVA being a trash football program. We may be at the stage where the Big 20 is looking to add more trash to create rivals for Rutgers.

 

[Drew]

Regarding ACC going to 9 game schedule.

 

[UConnJim]

TLDR but UVA is a garbage football program. 0% chance they’re invited to sec or BIG and the big12 would take Lville and Pitt over them, Not to mention NC State and VTech. Do not reply with something about academics. if the BIG still cared about academics they would have taken Cal & Stanford. Both have better academics and football pedigrees than UVA.

The Big 10 was interested in Stanford/Cal, but FOX was not. Oregon and Washington got an invite because they accepted half media shares.

 

[bendm]

You do not have any clue how any of this works.

So Why would Fox/ESPN think UVA is more valuable than Cal or Stanford? Or any other ACC school for that matter? Historically UVA probably has the worst football program in the conference.

 

[Exit 4]

So Why would Fox/ESPN think UVA is more valuable than Cal or Stanford? Or any other ACC school for that matter? Historically UVA probably has the worst football program in the conference.

The value of schools is shifting back to the long term model; total endowment, total student population, amount of state support, academic stature, amount of living alumni, does your school bring two senators that your conf doesn’t already have?

Football record matters- but near term and long term economic and political clout also matter.

 

[Stinger92860]

The value of schools is shifting back to the long term model; total endowment, total student population, amount of state support, academic stature, amount of living alumni, does your school bring two senators that your conf doesn’t already have?

Football record matters- but near term and long term economic and political clout also matter.

I’d like to believe this, but until schools are dropped from existing conferences due to the updated metrics I cannot.

 

[billybud]

My review of internet re adding a new member...what may be considered..

• Revenue sharing: Conferences evaluate how a new member will impact revenue distribution among existing schools. They seek institutions that increase the total revenue pot through larger media deals, corporate sponsorships, and ticket sales.
• Brand value: A school with a strong national brand and large, engaged alumni base is more attractive. This increases season ticket sales, donations, and the overall marketing appeal of the conference.
• Viability and sustainability: The financial stability of the prospective member is assessed to ensure they can sustain a competitive athletics program without being a financial drain on the conference.
• Media market: Expanding into a new, large media market is a top priority for most major conferences. This grows the conference's audience, which translates into more lucrative media rights deals.
• On-field competitiveness: The prospective member's athletic prestige is a significant factor. A school with successful, high-profile sports (particularly football and men's basketball) can elevate the conference's overall strength and draw in more viewers.
• Recruiting access: Expansion may be driven by a desire to gain access to new talent pools in a different region, which can improve recruiting for all conference members.
• Good fit: A prospective member's overall institutional identity and values must align with the existing conference culture. This ensures long-term stability and harmony among the members.
• Alumni presence: Beyond simply increasing the market, a school's alumni network is a key factor. A large, geographically diverse alumni base helps to drive ticket sales and donations.
• Geographic footprint: Conferences evaluate how a new member's location fits with the existing membership. A closer geographical fit can reduce travel costs and enhance regional rivalries, while a distant location can open up new markets but dramatically increase travel time and expense.
  Regional rivalries: The addition of a school can help create or preserve regional rivalries, which are important for maintaining fan engagement.

 

[KryHavok]

Historically UVA probably has the worst football program in the conference.

That distinction goes to Wake Forest. Wake Forest entered the ACC in 1953 while Virginia entered in 1954. Using 1954 as the start year, WF averages 4.35 wins and 6.77 losses vs. Virginia's 4.99 wins and 6.30 losses. Puke is second worst during that same time with an average of 4.61 wins and 6.45 losses.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

TLDR but UVA is a garbage football program. 0% chance they’re invited to sec or BIG and the big12 would take Lville and Pitt over them, Not to mention NC State and VTech. Do not reply with something about academics. if the BIG still cared about academics they would have taken Cal & Stanford. Both have better academics and football pedigrees than UVA.

The B1G will take Cal & Stanford at some point, it likely is more than a decade out however. Oregon and Washington were only added as early as they were due to a) the PAC imploding and b) their willingness to join at a greatly discounted price.

The end game in this is for the B1G to grow to 24 members, four divisions of six schools. Once they gat there the west coast will be UCLA, USC, Cal, Stanford, Oregon and Washington.

I'm pretty confident that UNC and Virginia are part of their ideal east coast division.

 

[billybud]

That distinction goes to Wake Forest. Wake Forest entered the ACC in 1953 while Virginia entered in 1954. Using 1954 as the start year, WF averages 4.35 wins and 6.77 losses vs. Virginia's 4.99 wins and 6.30 losses. Puke is second worst during that same time with an average of 4.61 wins and 6.45 losses.

It is relative...of late, or all time...Wake has beaten Virginia their last 5 match ups...Virginia has had 3 winning seasons in the last 15 and Wake has had 8....Wake has 8 bowl wins since 2000.....Virginia has 4.

 

[Drew]

 

[Hoophound]

I hope Portnoy tells them how important exposure in the Northeast is. His thoughts on the matter may have even been solicited. Portnoy is a big East Coast guy and Barstool is extremely popular in that neck of the woods.

 

[freescooter]

The value of schools is shifting back to the long term model; total endowment, total student population, amount of state support, academic stature, amount of living alumni, does your school bring two senators that your conf doesn’t already have?

Football record matters- but near term and long term economic and political clout also matter.

Stop it! You are just trying to find a justification. The Big 10 has made some inexplicable choices particularly in Rutgers and Maryland which seem to have been cable driven. They seem to have returned to a football oriented process in the last round. Bringing in Virginia and even UNC would be a return to the Rutgers model without the access to cable carriage fees. Next you’ll be telling us they are doing it because they think Thomas Jefferson was a smart guy!!

 

[Kolumbo]

Dave Portnoy: bringing UConn, the Big 12, and Connecticut Pizza together