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Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

CL82 said:
Largely agree, although isn't Gonzaga a basketball only member for the Pac 12?
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One team doesn't make it a hybrid. And it's not a Power conf like the Big East was.
 
Exit 4 said:
Btw, throw SMU into that hybrid pool
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Would gladly take them as the 4th leftover ACC school to merge with but I wouldn’t be surprised if SMU/Cal/Stanford would prefer the new PAC to the new new BE
 
HuskyHawk said:
OK, no conference that isn't desperate for relevance and survival. The current Pac is like the conference equivalent or a Junkie looking anywhere for a score.
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Then what does that make the American? The PAC is easily going to be the best Group of whatever conference for football and bball.

The old BE didn’t do it right before. Gotta sell off the football and bball tv rights separately. the leftover ACC schools plus the best BE programs are worth more together. It’s do or die at this point beggars can’t be choosers
 
Hoophound said:
I could see hybrid happening again if it works for self preservation. All that matters is the money and the access. It’s unlikely, but a scenario where the ACC leftovers (including us in there) need basketball strength and pull in Nova and Georgetown or SJU is possible. Maybe 2-4 good bball schools.
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Cuse, BC, Wake, SMU, UConn, USF, Memphis, Tulane St John’s, Nova, Gtown, Marquette.
 
JMick said:
The best scenario is that the SEC and B1G want to keep the number of mouths to feed down, we backfill ACC and the only teams not left in it are UNC, Clemson and FSU. Then a few basketball powers from the big east break off and join it because they see the writing on the wall and it guarantees NCAA tournament access
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This is absolutely the best case realistic scenario I just don’t want to get my hopes up because It’s also very realistic that the P3 each go to 20 schools and ND finally joins the BIG for Olympic sports and a football scheduling deal. That would leave 7 ACC schools: Cuse, BC, Wake, SMU, Cal, Stanford, and who? UVA?
 
I'm starting to lean towards the side others have taken of a Tier 1 / Tier 2 Premier League idea. Take the 136 FBS teams and going Tier 1 64 teams - 8 divisions of 8 teams all play each other. Winner goes to College Football playoffs. All #2's have a playoff for the last 4 spots. Bottom 8 teams have a playoff and losers get relegated to Tier 2 where the other 72 teams are and split up into 8 divisions of 9. Division winners all play a playoff to get promoted to Tier 1. All the media outlets negotiate collectively for broadcasting both tiers and payout structures are set up accordingly.

Football has gotten too big for the rest of college sports and at this rate, soon the bubble is going to pop and bring everything down with it. Carve them out and then the conferences can all stay the way they are for all the other sports where travel and logistics is a much bigger deal than the sport that only plays once a week.
 
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I'll stand my previous prediction, the ACC isn't going away and isn't going to lose significant members. The media rights simply aren't there for the SEC and B1G to expand. If they do it will likely come at a reduction to existing members. Nobody is giving UVM a full B1G share. Clemson and FSU probably won't get a full SEC share. So all these projections of a P3 fall flat. It will stay at 4.

I mocked the Pac and yes the American is even worse. Why? Because UCF, SMU, Houston, Cinci aren't part of "G" anymore. They did add WSU and Oregon State. The American is even worse of course. UConn has a shot to go to the ACC if football stays strong. Our best bet is that they lose only two and add UConn and USF.
 
Hamms30 said:
I'm starting to lean towards the side others have taken of a Tier 1 / Tier 2 Premier League idea. Take the 136 FBS teams and going Tier 1 64 teams - 8 divisions of 8 teams all play each other. Winner goes to College Football playoffs. All #2's have a playoff for the last 4 spots. Bottom 8 teams have a playoff and losers get relegated to Tier 2 where the other 72 teams are and split up into 8 divisions of 9. Division winners all play a playoff to get promoted to Tier 1. All the media outlets negotiate collectively for broadcasting both tiers and payout structures are set up accordingly.

Football has gotten too big for the rest of college sports and at this rate, soon the bubble is going to pop and bring everything down with it. Carve them out and then the conferences can all stay the way they are for all the other sports where travel and logistics is a much bigger deal than the sport that only plays once a week.
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Current SEC teams could be spread over 2 divisions or say 4 divisions.
2 divisions - SEC teams would get 2 to 4 teams in the CFP. Too limited
4 divisions - SEC teams could get 4 to 8 teams in the CFP. This would essentially destroy the SEC though and eliminate a ton of conference games
Neither scenario would fly with the SEC. Imagine Auburn and Oklahoma getting relegated
 
Kolumbo said:
Current SEC teams could be spread over 2 divisions or say 4 divisions.
2 divisions - SEC teams would get 2 to 4 teams in the CFP. Too limited
4 divisions - SEC teams could get 4 to 8 teams in the CFP. This would essentially destroy the SEC though and eliminate a ton of conference games
Neither scenario would fly with the SEC. Imagine Auburn and Oklahoma getting relegated
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At a certain point the national level grievances are going to go to the conference level, right? SEC takes whoever they want, B1G takes whoever they want. Big12/ACC take the wreckage and cannibalize each other. Now you have 3 conferences with like 25 teams. But you've only got a 12 playoff spots. Well how do you determine who wins a conference with that many teams when you can only really play a third of the other teams in the conference in a year. Suddenly you have conference committees to determine who should be going to the CFP and everyone loses their mind over that instead of everyone losing their mind at the CFP committee we have right now. The game is too big now. It can't be squeezed into the framework that the rest of NCAA sports fits into. If they keep trying, it's going to blow up and the lawsuits and fallout are going to crumble everything, not just football.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
I'm not fully buying this. The information came from a WVU source. When a neutral (or fully ACC) source verifies it I'll believe it, until then I'll be a skeptic.
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I believe it. WVU and Cinci would both prefer the ACC. Natural rivals with Pitt and VT. Ideally the Big XII could poach Cal and Stanford in return and conferences could be a bit more sane. An SMU for UCF trade would also make sense.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I believe it. WVU and Cinci would both prefer the ACC. Natural rivals with Pitt and VT. Ideally the Big XII could poach Cal and Stanford in return and conferences could be a bit more sane. An SMU for UCF trade would also make sense.
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The ACC and B12 would be smart to declare a truce and make some trades. I don’t think it’s unlikely. It’s all about Fox - ESPN and whomever else has media money. I think just think UNC or ND need to make the first move before that discussion can happen.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
I believe it. WVU and Cinci would both prefer the ACC. Natural rivals with Pitt and VT. Ideally the Big XII could poach Cal and Stanford in return and conferences could be a bit more sane. An SMU for UCF trade would also make sense.
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The economics of a trade don't work for the ACC. The ACCN can't lose California and Texas for Florida (already there) and West Virginia and Ohio. And, Cal/Stanford/SMU are all getting either reduced payouts and WVU/Cincy/UCF are going to accept less than they are making in the Big 12?

If the ACC is raided, I think it makes more sense for Pitt and Louisville to go to the Big 12 with a couple other ACC schools.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
I'm sure they would. I'm also very confident that we would prefer the ACC to our current situation. That doesn't mean anyone has been contacted.
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This is why winning is so brutally important. When these things come to pass they need to be looking at our populated and well located market, two blue blood basketball programs AND a solid football program. The first two things don't matter if we can't show a solid football foundation. If we are good in football, even ranked around 20-25, we should become a shoe-in that is sought after. We always say it, but it really feels like an awful lot is riding on us finally breaking through for good. Our schedule this season could really set us up for success and momentum heading into the future.
 
Hoophound said:
This is why winning is so brutally important. When these things come to pass they need to be looking at our populated and well located market, two blue blood basketball programs AND a solid football program. The first two things don't matter if we can't show a solid football foundation. If we are good in football, even ranked around 20-25, we should become a shoe-in that is sought after. We always say it, but it really feels like an awful lot is riding on us finally breaking through for good. Our schedule this season could really set us up for success and momentum heading into the future.
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I agree with this with the caveat that one can never predict the outcome of a season with confidence. I think the combination of good coaching and solid team gives us a chance to have a good season but I expected maybe 7-5 last year. And honestly 6-6 or 7-5 in 2023. Hoped to be 5-7 in Mora’s 1st year but expected 4-8. But I agree that a consistent good record is very important. Getting ranked would be a huge boost, too as would winning 10 games.
 
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