Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[ZooCougar]

As I posted, this is from August of last year. I was just backing up what Forte posted.

Forte is a bed wetter.

You can see smoke above the treetops.

I heard something 3-4 weeks ago and took it with a grain of salt. Then the rumors are going again with Big 12 media days.

At this point I am like “hmmmm” but not getting my hopes up.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

It’s stronger. They aren’t kryptonite like Liberty but they are heading that way.

Unless you are a BYU person you don’t like them. Even some LDS people don’t like them.

It didn't seem to bother those who voted to add them to the B-12.

 

[jostar1]

 

[ZooCougar]

It didn't seem to bother those who voted to add them to the B-12.

That was a few years ago.

Things have changed.

 

[JMick]

OK so let's play a game...if feelings are mixed, which schools are for and against us? My guess:

For:
Basketball schools who would want a blue blood like us:

• Kansas
• Houston
• Arizona
• Baylor
• Arizona

Old conference foes who would open to reunion:

• WVU
• Cincy
• UCF

Against:
Bigger time football schools who would oppose our football program:

• Utah
• Oklahoma State
• Kansas State
• TCU
• Texas Tech
• Colorado

I have literally don't have a clue what they are thinking:

• Arizona State
• BYU

I bet Utah and Colorado would be OK with us. Utah likes being associated with liberal universities because they're the anti-BYU. We fit Colorado culturally more than a lot of current members. UCF is probably anti-UConn because they have some sort of complex. Cinci is probably a toss up. Kansas probably wants us and Arizona and Arizona State would probably want us. West Virginia would be a definite yes. They want more East Coast

The hope would be that if Yormark really wants to add us, the new blood in the conference is on board. It might be easier to get the votes now.

 

[JMick]

I see a world where taking us off the board could have a similar albeit much smaller effect. If we were Big XII bound then that's one less team for the ACC to backfill with

 

[Exit 4]

I see a world where taking us off the board could have a similar albeit much smaller effect. If we were Big XII bound then that's one less team for the ACC to backfill with

That has to be one of the central arguments in Yormark's case for UConn.

 

[That Guy]

I still find it really strange how many schools don't want us to be in their conference. It makes no sense to me when you compare us to a lot of other schools

Our potential in football is very limited because we're a Northeast school + we prioritize basketball. All of these conferences would probably add OSU, WSU, Memphis, Tulane, Boise, SDSU before even thinking about adding us.

 

[Bonamassa]

Our potential in football is very limited because we're a Northeast school + we prioritize basketball. All of these conferences would probably add OSU, WSU, Memphis, Tulane, Boise, SDSU before even thinking about adding us.

Don't be That Guy.

 

[ZooCougar]

 

[That Guy]

Don't be That Guy.

Just stating absolute facts here. You realize these bozos added the likes of SMU and 2 schools from California to the "Atlantic Coast Conference" over us right?

 

[ZooCougar]

Just stating absolute facts here. You realize these bozos added the likes of SMU and 2 schools from California to the "Atlantic Coast Conference" over us right?

I think you are right.

Getting into a conference will require cutting a deal and some very direct engagement.

If we were just normal bad, not embarrassing bad that would help too.

 

[jostar1]

 

[ZooCougar]

The B1G and the SEC claim to not want them so…

 

[Husky92]

That move makes no sense to me. From Clemson and FSU it has to be “P2 or bust”.

 

[ZooCougar]

That move makes no sense to me. From Clemson and FSU it has to be “P2 or bust”.

It makes sense when you consider busting is an option. The Big 12 will make more money than the ACC.

Plus this calls the SEC and B1G’s bluff.

 

[JMick]

It makes sense when you consider busting is an option. The Big 12 will make more money than the ACC.

Plus this calls the SEC and B1G’s bluff.

They basically have to go somewhere now. They can't do all this stuff and then stay in the ACC. Though it would be very funny if the B1G and SEC said thanks but no thanks and all of this was basically for nothing

 

[Muddler]

It makes sense when you consider busting is an option. The Big 12 will make more money than the ACC.

Plus this calls the SEC and B1G’s bluff.

That’s a very expensive decision to go from a conference in which your fans can travel with relative ease to most away games to going to Tucson or most anywhere else in the Big 12. Never mind, it would take years to recoup all the money lost leaving the ACC. Power 2 or bust. The Big 12 is a solid conference with mostly great fanbases, but everyone would be in the SEC or Big 10 if asked. It’s the best of the rest of schools not in the ACC.

 

[Exit 4]

They basically have to go somewhere now. They can't do all this stuff and then stay in the ACC. Though it would be very funny if the B1G and SEC said thanks but no thanks and all of this was basically for nothing

I think still the scenario where both the B1G and SEC pass on these two is on the table. Not sure how much table it has, but it seems possible to me that they have been wishcasting themselves to the P2, particularly Clemson. Both conference have to have tv partners willing to pay way up...again....without a chance to digest the last expansion.

That said, I don't see Clemson and UConn to the B12 as a crazy outcome (Yormark gets his NE BB and everyone else gets their elevated football) and Florida St to the B1G (because their economic fire power is inline with the B1G schools) to for an odd, but probably temporary 19 team conf as out of the realm either.

All the balls remain in the air.

 

[Drew]

There’s also no reason they can’t go to the Big 12 as a two year stop gap to going to the B1G or SEC if the B1G and/or SEC aren’t willing to take on the legal risk of adding them to the league straight from the ACC

 

[Greedo]

 

[jostar1]

There’s also no reason they can’t go to the Big 12 as a two year stop gap to going to the B1G or SEC if the B1G and/or SEC aren’t willing to take on the legal risk of adding them to the league straight from the ACC

The Big 12 has a GOR. Clemson could end up right back where they are now, trying to break a GOR.

 

[Drew]

The Big 12 has a GOR. Clemson could end up right back where they are now, trying to break a GOR.

Pretty sure FSU and Clemson have the leverage to not sign that. Utah didn’t sign it either.

 

[Exit 4]

The Big 12 has a GOR. Clemson could end up right back where they are now, trying to break a GOR.

Ha- GORs! Those are about to become obsolete when they bind you beyond your nose. Everyone hates discovery- particularly your publicly traded media conglomerates.

Btw- not looking to dance on your post- just saying!

 

[Kolumbo]

Say Clemson and FSU are shunned by the P2. I was thinking about a best of the rest. Obviously this won't happen, but just for ha-ha's, I wonder what something like this version of the Big 12 would be worth. And the ACC would have some openings