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The Yakk said:
Where exactly are they all going to go? There are 7 open spots in the P2? Assuming Notre Dame isn't interested?

Skimmed the rest, couldn't make sense of it. Seems like a word salad of conventional wisdom and wishful thinking.
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Agree. Not sure everyone has a spot outside ACC.
And assuming those schools do leave it would likely give ACC a war chest of funds.

ACC could be in a good position if it gets its crap together.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Yes, and I like Kansas City and hate NYC. But that’s not the point. The point is that in a smaller city the tournament commands more attention and dominates the bars and restaurants in a way it can’t in NYC, Chicago or LA.
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Every train I've taken into NYC for the BET, And every bar I've gone into is dominated by Big East fans, all fired up for the tournament and all talking back-and-forth. Now, if you're saying that in the city of nearly 9,000,000 people, there are many non-fans, then in a city of a half million, I'm sure you're right, but pretty much none of them are hanging out in the bars around MSG.
 
CL82 said:
Every train I've taken into NYC for the BET, And every bar I've gone into is dominated by Big East fans, all fired up for the tournament and all talking back-and-forth. Now, if you're saying that in the city of nearly 9,000,000 people, there are many non-fans, then in a city of a half million, I'm sure you're right, but pretty much none of them are hanging out in the bars around MSG.
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Madison Garden holds 20,000 people. Maybe you could have 40,000 or so people interested in BET out of 9 million. So interest is only in the handful of bars around Madison Square Garden. For example I was in town for the Super Bowl when it was held at Giants Stadium. You could not go anywhere in the city without someone talking about the Suoerbowl. NYC is a professional sports town.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Yes, and I like Kansas City and hate NYC. But that’s not the point. The point is that in a smaller city the tournament commands more attention and dominates the bars and restaurants in a way it can’t in NYC, Chicago or LA.
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A big fish in a small pond is the same size as a big fish in a big pond.

The Big 12's Tournament is neither special or noteworthy. We'd be giving up something letting the BET go. If we can't play in a tournament in NYC then at least be on the east coast.
 
ZooCougar said:
A big fish in a small pond is the same size as a big fish in a big pond.

The Big 12's Tournament is neither special or noteworthy. We'd be giving up something letting the BET go. If we can't play in a tournament in NYC then at least be on the east coast.
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I think best situation is we stay big time in Basketball both men’s and women’s. That is where UConn will have the most success by extracting more money from NCAA basketball tournament. Football will be a lost cause since not enough interest in New England. But again UConn can be a top team in basketball.
 
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ZooCougar said:
A big fish in a small pond is the same size as a big fish in a big pond.

The Big 12's Tournament is neither special or noteworthy. We'd be giving up something letting the BET go. If we can't play in a tournament in NYC then at least be on the east coast.
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I'm inclined to agree, but if any power conference offers us, we say yes before they finish the sentence.
 
ZooCougar said:
A big fish in a small pond is the same size as a big fish in a big pond.

The Big 12's Tournament is neither special or noteworthy. We'd be giving up something letting the BET go. If we can't play in a tournament in NYC then at least be on the east coast.
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I think the ACC is our best bet going forward. BET is fine, I'm not complaining about it. I do think saturation matters, the percentage of people interested in college sports of a particular conference. Before the defections the Big East had better saturation than it does now. Big XII doesn't have it anymore with the programs that left. ACC more or less still has it in North Carolina, for now. SEC has pretty good saturation across most of the south.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I think the ACC is our best bet going forward. BET is fine, I'm not complaining about it. I do think saturation matters, the percentage of people interested in college sports of a particular conference. Before the defections the Big East had better saturation than it does now. Big XII doesn't have it anymore with the programs that left. ACC more or less still has it in North Carolina, for now. SEC has pretty good saturation across most of the south.
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I agree. Once FSU and Clemson leave the focus of the conference will be basketball. That is a perfect fit for UConn. SEC will always be football focus and in my opinion not a good fit for UConn.
 
CJasmer said:
I think best situation is we stay big time in Basketball both men’s and women’s. That is where UConn will have the most success by extracting more money from NCAA basketball tournament. Football will be a lost cause since not enough interest in New England. But again UConn can be a top team in basketball.
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We should still fight to grow the program. But the G5 taking steps to have something more substantial to compete for is positive.

The way things are now, you have 1 Champion and 133 failures. It's silly.
 
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The Yakk said:
Where exactly are they all going to go? There are 7 open spots in the P2? Assuming Notre Dame isn't interested?

Skimmed the rest, couldn't make sense of it. Seems like a word salad of conventional wisdom and wishful thinking.
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That's why I said "attempted mass exodus". You're right - there are not enough seats at the table outside the ACC for the 7 to be accommodated. It will be like a scene out of Casablanca at Rick's Cafe Americain. There will be a lot of intrigue and skulduggery by the remnants of the ACC to get letters of transit to a P-2 conference headquartered in Lisbon... (Sorry about the Casablanca reference, but somehow I picture the Syracuse AD being a dead ringer for Peter Lorre.)
 
superjohn said:
Sure because there's not much going on in Kansas City and there's 16 times less people there than in NYC. The Big East tournament atmosphere is way better than the Big 12, Big 10, and ACC tournaments.
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Yes, because the world is flat, and there's a danger of falling off the edge just west of the Hudson River.
 
ZooCougar said:
The ACC is a better option. I think I just threw up.
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It depends how many more teams the Big XII would take. If I'm the Big XII I want to get as many big state schools as I can from the leftover ACC to try and position myself as P3. Let the state legislators get all pissy at the idea of being left out of the top and let them be the conferences shield.
 
Sea Goat said:
That's why I said "attempted mass exodus". You're right - there are not enough seats at the table outside the ACC for the 7 to be accommodated. It will be like a scene out of Casablanca at Rick's Cafe Americain. There will be a lot of intrigue and skulduggery by the remnants of the ACC to get letters of transit to a P-2 conference headquartered in Lisbon... (Sorry about the Casablanca reference, but somehow I picture the Syracuse AD being a dead ringer for Peter Lorre.)
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I see it
 

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JMick said:
It depends how many more teams the Big XII would take. If I'm the Big XII I want to get as many big state schools as I can from the leftover ACC to try and position myself as P3. Let the state legislators get all pissy at the idea of being left out of the top and let them be the conferences shield.
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If I'm the ACC after Clemson, FSU and UNC depart I raid the Big 12 for Cincy and WVU, add UConn and get the band back together.
 
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superjohn said:
Sure because there's not much going on in Kansas City and there's 16 times less people there than in NYC. The Big East tournament atmosphere is way better than the Big 12, Big 10, and ACC tournaments.
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There's not as much going on, but KC has plenty of other sports distractions between KU, Mizzou, KSU, Royals, Chiefs and Sporting.
 
ZooCougar said:
If I'm the ACC after Clemson, FSU and UNC depart I raid the Big 12 for Cincy and WVU, add UConn and get the band back together.
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I think this only works if they succeed in getting a large payout from Clemson, FSU and UNC. They could use that to help Cinci and WVU buy their way out. That would be a good situation for us. I wish they didn't get bullied into saving Stanford and Cal though. That'll be miserable travel.
 
CJasmer said:
Madison Garden holds 20,000 people. Maybe you could have 40,000 or so people interested in BET out of 9 million. So interest is only in the handful of bars around Madison Square Garden. For example I was in town for the Super Bowl when it was held at Giants Stadium. You could not go anywhere in the city without someone talking about the Suoerbowl. NYC is a professional sports town.
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The Super Bowl had more fans than the Big East Tournament? You don’t say.
 
JMick said:
By all accounts WVU has not been happy in the Big XII. I think if they could get Cinci to move with them and be reunited with Pitt and Louisville, they would.
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That could be, but I think Louisville and Pitt would rather go to the Big12 than stay in a depleted ACC and if/when they could depart, that would cement Cinci and WVU staying in the Big12. The linchpin is if/how the ACC falls apart. Definitely lots of scenarios - all depends on if/how the magnificent 7 are able to depart and what sort of exit fee/GOR settlements come into ACC cofers.... Do we have a scenario similar to the PAC implosion, or don't we? Time will tell.
 
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CTFAN4LIFE said:
That could be, but I think Louisville and Pitt would rather go to the Big12 than stay in a depleted ACC and if/when they could depart, that would cement Cinci and WVU staying in the Big12. The linchpin is if/how the ACC falls apart. Definitely lots of scenarios - all depends on if/how the magnificent 7 are able to depart and what sort of exit fee/GOR settlements come into ACC cofers.... Do we have a scenario similar to the PAC implosion, or don't we? Time will tell.
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That depends on how aggressive the ACC
All things equal the ACC is a no brainer for both of them plus UCF and Cincinnati.
The real question is will they panic
The ACC is in better markets on average than the Big 12
Even without FSU and Clemson . FSU and Clemson are not UT and Oklahoma .
 
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