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Pretty sure it started when he had that brief success in Buffalo.
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The Dallas Metro area has almost 8 million people and is one of the fastest growing in the world and SMU is actually in that area. UConn is not even in a metro area and the closest one is 1.2 million and shrinking.
So UConn's reach is half the state of Connecticut because half the state's population is New York centric, not Connecticut. Is that suppose to be a selling point?
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That is TV households. The Dallas-Fort Worth population is about 6.6 million. I don’t think SMU is a popular school, but if the ACC Network is on 3 million TVs at in market rate, that is a net positive for the ACC.
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If the ACC is still concerned with markets over brands, then they deserve everything that is about to happen to them in the next few years. People do not care about SMU vs any ACC team. People do care about UConn vs half of their old rivals. A UConn v Duke basketball game would deliver more viewers than the highest rated SMU football game lmao
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Oh Wow I’ll sleep some much easier tonight now that it’s been clarified
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-> Beware, Boston College.
It has to be chilling for the folks at The Heights to see Stanford and California, two of the most prestigious academic institutions in the country, left for dead, along with Washington State and Oregon State, in the ruins formerly known as the Pac-12. The conference has been in existence in some form since 1915, but this will be in its final football season in a familiar form.
Like BC, the Bay Area elites are academically stringent schools in a major media market.
If estimable Stanford, which won the Pac-12 as recently as 2015 and went to 10 straight bowl games between 2009 and 2018, can be tossed aside like a candy wrapper, then the same fate could befall BC if the Atlantic Coast Conference fractured. The same goes for Duke and Wake Forest in a cruel new world ruled only by football marketability and viability.
Power Four footing is tenuous. <-
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Always a good omen when your hometown's biggest paper prints a column with the headline "Watch out, you suck."
Really? SMU? Guaranteed Dallas TV sets will be tuned to a TX or TAMU SEC game before watching SMU vs. BC, SU etc.
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I agree that nobody will care about SMU playing ACC schools. But, that is not my point.
Historically, in the linear channel cable bundle model, the conference networks get 2 rates: in market and out of market. For example, Rutgers is in the NYC media market so NYC pays the in market rate for the Big 10 Network. It is assumed that SMU, since it is in the Dallas/Forth Worth market, would bring the ACCN the in-market rate. The difference between the 2 rates could be $1/month per subscriber. So, adding SMU could add up to $3 million per month. or $36 million per year to the ACC Network in subscriber fees.
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That is not how it works, though .... do we think the population of NYC is watching Rutgers football? The answer is no... but they are still paying for BIG10 network and that's what matters in conference realignment with traditional media contracts. SMU in that regard makes plenty of sense in a football heavy market. Same for SDSU when Big12 takes them.
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Yeah, I am not clear about the "ACC network" and how that delivers profits to ACC members. If it works identically to the big 10 network then your point is a good one.
It's a double edge sword for the networks as it doesn't guarantee the best teams will be in, but it does guarantee the best markets will be there. Its how most cable companies work and why streaming will eventually be the future for the younger wiser (in context of TV) generation who doesn't want the Oxygen network's of the media world forced down their throats. My parents have been blown away by YoutubeTV after my trying to wean them off their 300$ satellite TV situation for years. Change is hard and most of the aging population isn't and may never be ready for the Apple TV model.... but it will be the future as the customer base for basic cable dissolves.
What that all means is that given the current model, it may not matter how we perform but rather if networks like ESPN continue to view Hartford as no man's land sandwiched between the Boston and NYC markets. CT residents get counted toward the Boston and NYC markets based on a state split but not vise versa of NYC Boston residents counted towards the Hartford/general CT/UConn market.
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will the ACC care when we go 3-0 against their teams?
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Posting under Key since its Thamel. Wazzu is losing 40% of its revenues. Looks like they will either fold into the Mtn West or try to make a new conference if Cal and Stanford stick around. From below, the matter of the P12 consultant has bubbled up...did they hire bad advise?
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"At the end of the day, us doing something on the East Coast, unless it's a hell of a lot of money, there's just no way to make it work," Schulz said.
He said that Washington State and Oregon State are waiting out the courtship between the ACC and Stanford and Cal.
"Schulz said it was "a secondary issue" at this point when asked specifically about Kliavkoff's future, but "if we choose to rebuild a conference around those four schools, is George that guy? All of that then becomes a forefront issue instead of a secondary issue." He did say that if Stanford and Cal stay, any creative solution pushing the Pac-12 forward would likely require a different media consultant. Kliavkoff hired Doug Perlman of Sports Media Advisors, who did not have extensive experience in the college sports space.
"To me, when something happens like this," Schulz said about a media consultant, "we need a new set of people to start with a clean chalkboard.""
Schulz: WSU in 'bad spot' after Pac-12 'breakup'
Washington State University president Kirk Schulz said he and AD Pat Chun need "to roll up our sleeves and get to work" in the wake of Pac-12 defections.
"At the end of the day, us doing something on the East Coast, unless it's a hell of a lot of money, there's just no way to make it work," Schulz said.
He said that Washington State and Oregon State are waiting out the courtship between the ACC and Stanford and Cal.
"Schulz said it was "a secondary issue" at this point when asked specifically about Kliavkoff's future, but "if we choose to rebuild a conference around those four schools, is George that guy? All of that then becomes a forefront issue instead of a secondary issue." He did say that if Stanford and Cal stay, any creative solution pushing the Pac-12 forward would likely require a different media consultant. Kliavkoff hired Doug Perlman of Sports Media Advisors, who did not have extensive experience in the college sports space.
"To me, when something happens like this," Schulz said about a media consultant, "we need a new set of people to start with a clean chalkboard.""
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Posting under Key since its Thamel. Wazzu is losing 40% of its revenues. Looks like they will either fold into the Mtn West or try to make a new conference if Cal and Stanford stick around. From below, the matter of the P12 consultant has bubbled up...did they hire bad advise?
Schulz: WSU in 'bad spot' after Pac-12 'breakup'
Washington State University president Kirk Schulz said he and AD Pat Chun need "to roll up our sleeves and get to work" in the wake of Pac-12 defections.
"At the end of the day, us doing something on the East Coast, unless it's a hell of a lot of money, there's just no way to make it work," Schulz said.
He said that Washington State and Oregon State are waiting out the courtship between the ACC and Stanford and Cal.
"Schulz said it was "a secondary issue" at this point when asked specifically about Kliavkoff's future, but "if we choose to rebuild a conference around those four schools, is George that guy? All of that then becomes a forefront issue instead of a secondary issue." He did say that if Stanford and Cal stay, any creative solution pushing the Pac-12 forward would likely require a different media consultant. Kliavkoff hired Doug Perlman of Sports Media Advisors, who did not have extensive experience in the college sports space.
"To me, when something happens like this," Schulz said about a media consultant, "we need a new set of people to start with a clean chalkboard.""
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Which is a better position than when we were in the AAC, when ESPN had us for pennies. It's better to have ESPN supporting a move to take us (eg to the ACC) than Fox.
UConn has to explore every opportunity to increase its profile and revenue. The combination of bootstrapping football, demonstrating value in the UConn brand, and being a leader in exploiting the new media environment would be very helpful.
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You can always count on ESPN to dance on the graves of the athletic programs they kill.
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Yes, this is what we're discussing. The cable systems are under no obligation to jack up each customer's bill especially in an era when they've lost 40% of their customers to streaming.
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The Wash St U. Pres thinks they should jack up student fees to help pay for the school's budget shortfall.
Tuition and fees for instate is $13,800. So, sure, let the students pay for it!
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It is crazy, but that is what has happened although I agree with you. The fact that the ACC is even thinking about captive cable subs to financially justify expansion tells you why the ACC has failed conference realignment.
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UCLA has a hockey team?