Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[Kolumbo]

I think it is a mirage. No one has any real info on the dynamics if any. Sounds like something ESPN could dream up. Syracuse is, at best, a second tier, expensive ($80k+/year) private school. More importantly, how have they advanced the fortunes of the ACC? How many ACC titles have they won? They have won only one BB Natty two decades ago - pre- ACC. Also, they have won only one football Natty and that was during the Eisenhower administration. No baseball either! Boy, the BS is deep!

Everything you say about SU is true. All I'm saying is SU is a private university which has a strong connection to NYC and that connection is why it is in the ACC. Lots of wealthy kids go to SU because who else is paying that ridiculous tuition and then they go to the Big Apple when they graduate. (FBS programs in state). New York (3) is a state with 20 million people, 4th most populous state behind Cali (7), Texas (13) and Florida (7). Yet NY has only 3 FBS football programs, none of which are winning championships: Army, Buffalo, Syracuse. That's why SU is valuable to the ACC.

 

[Blades]

Put this in another thread but regarding Notre Dame pushing for them in the ACC , she asks a good question

 

[The Viking]

I would imagine there are some presidents enjoying giving the finger to Notre Dame’s wishes since ND refuses to join full time.

 

[Kolumbo]

If Cal and Stanford can't get in the ACC, I believe they will go independent as that is the only available way they can still be seen as a P4 school or equivalent.

As long as they reach an agreement with the other two and the MW, Stanford and Cal could keep the Pac X branding and rebuild an Olympic sports conference in their image.

See the following:
Cal
Stanford
Hawaii
UC Santa Barbara
UC Davis
UC Irvine
UC Riverside
UC San Diego

Cal and Stanford could keep the precious P4 designation in football and have a strong Olympic sports conference.

Wouldn't Cal and Stanford just be better off joining the Big 12 and actually be in a P4 conference? Rationalize it by saying 6/12 of the PAC merged with Big 12, 4/12 of the PAC merged with the B1G, and 2/12 were sacrificed.

 

[Vowelguy]

If Cal and Stanford can't get in the ACC, I believe they will go independent as that is the only available way they can still be seen as a P4 school or equivalent.

As long as they reach an agreement with the other two and the MW, Stanford and Cal could keep the Pac X branding and rebuild an Olympic sports conference in their image.

See the following:
Cal
Stanford
Hawaii
UC Santa Barbara
UC Davis
UC Irvine
UC Riverside
UC San Diego

Cal and Stanford could keep the precious P4 designation in football and have a strong Olympic sports conference.

What are you talking about? Wazzu and Ore st are not going to gift the PAC name to Stan Cal. If S/C want out, then the northern schools will backfill with the MW.

And I still say if Stan does go Indy, there’s a better chance of going to the WCC than with the Big West schools.

 

[Vowelguy]

Wouldn't Cal and Stanford just be better off joining the Big 12 and actually be in a P4 conference? Rationalize it by saying 6/12 of the PAC merged with Big 12, 4/12 of the PAC merged with the B1G, and 2/12 were sacrificed.

The B12 doesn’t want them.
If they did, they already be invited.

 

[huskymedic]

 

[Drew]

Really good article. So glad we’re going on the offensive to finally shape the narrative ourselves

 

[CL82]

Everything you say about SU is true. All I'm saying is SU is a private university which has a strong connection to NYC and that connection is why it is in the ACC. Lots of wealthy kids go to SU because who else is paying that ridiculous tuition and then they go to the Big Apple when they graduate. (FBS programs in state). New York (3) is a state with 20 million people, 4th most populous state behind Cali (7), Texas (13) and Florida (7). Yet NY has only 3 FBS football programs, none of which are winning championships: Army, Buffalo, Syracuse. That's why SU is valuable to the ACC.

Syracuse's value to the ACC was that it was a member of a rival conference it was trying to kill off, and eventually did. That's it. It has no material I'm going presence in NYC, and is noted above it's actually farther away from NYC then Storrs Connecticut.

 

[pmo710]

Syracuse's value to the ACC was that it was a member of a rival conference it was trying to kill off, and eventually did. That's it. It has no material I'm going presence in NYC, and is noted above it's actually farther away from NYC then Storrs Connecticut.

It does and it doesn't. Will say as a CT native but an alum of Ithaca that there's a large presence downstate alum so it's not crazy that Cuse can bring a presence (witness Ithaca drawing for 45k and 40k for their rivalry games in 19 and 23). When I've done Uconn/Cause at the garden while there's more Huskies fans, it's more a 60/40 split with the big difference being Uconns student section is packed and Cuse's is empty. So they bring a fanbase to the tristate but a measure smaller than UConn.

 

[businesslawyer]

Syracuse's value to the ACC was that it was a member of a rival conference it was trying to kill off, and eventually did. That's it. It has no material I'm going presence in NYC, and is noted above it's actually farther away from NYC then Storrs Connecticut.

Disagree. At the time it was taken, there was an argument that, over an extended period of time, it was the second (to PSU) best football program in the Northeast and the best basketball program in the Northeast. Regardless of whether Syracuse “owns” a material TV market, it was a perfectly rational move to extend the ACC’s brand north from Maryland.

 

[Drew]

 

[HuskyinWRNY]

Stanford and Cal make some sense. SMU doesn't make sense unless they need a partner for UConn. Why would they add 3 schools?

they arent adding uconn - ever

 

[Samoo]

Tuition in the state of Washington is a lot cheaper than in Connecticut. UConn in-state is $19k so yeah, let them pay.

CR really sucks but I don't feel bad for any schools who are jumping ship or jumping into the frozen ocean waters. Not one program has been shafted as much as UConn has.

A friend's son starts at Oregon next month. Total in-state cost $40,000. Imagine it's similar for Oregon State. Wazzou sounds like a bargain.

 

[BigTenFan]

 

[BigTenFan]

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In today's WSJ

 

[Kolumbo]

A friend's son starts at Oregon next month. Total in-state cost $40,000. Imagine it's similar for Oregon State. Wazzou sounds like a bargain.

That sounds like out of state tuition.

 

[JeepCSC]

That sounds like out of state tuition.

Virginia also has crazy in-state tuition, probably around $40,000 depending on your major. Double what it is at UNC. All depends on how well the state funds it's institutions.

 

[Kolumbo]

Virginia also has crazy in-state tuition, probably around $40,000 depending on your school. Double what it is at UNC. All depends on how well the state funds it's institutions.

Where are you guys seeing these tuition numbers? I don't think any large state school is charging $40k, nevermind $20k, for in-state tuition.

 

[huskymedic]

Really good article. So glad we’re going on the offensive to finally shape the narrative ourselves

Shortcut <<

 

[JeepCSC]

Where are you guys seeing these tuition numbers? I don't think any large state school is charging $40k, nevermind $20k, for in-state tuition.

https://sfs.virginia.edu/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2022-2023

Tuition room and board for first-year College of Arts would be $36k. School of Engineering First Year would be $46k.

Strictly looking at tuition, I think Engineering's $25k is the high end.

 

[upstater]

they arent adding uconn - ever

That's not what is going on.

They can't add UConn with this much time left in the GOR because they are looking for votes to break the GOR. They know UConn would be aligned against that since the schools that would favor UConn are definitely not FSU and Clemson.

The closer you get to the end of the GOR, the more these votes begin to matter much much less.

I bet the prospect of additions to the league is being resisted by the northeast schools plus Wake Forest and Georgia Tech, Louisville as well.

We have to remember that the ACC has split allegiances and that this makes agreement on added members difficult.

 

[UConnJim]

Disagree. At the time it was taken, there was an argument that, over an extended period of time, it was the second (to PSU) best football program in the Northeast and the best basketball program in the Northeast. Regardless of whether Syracuse “owns” a material TV market, it was a perfectly rational move to extend the ACC’s brand north from Maryland.

I disagree. Syracuse basketball was clearly the #1 or #2 program in the Northeast at the time, but it was pretty clear that Syracuse football was in a LT decline. In the 5 seasons before they got an ACC invite, they were 21-40 overall and 8-27 in the Big East.

Dino Babers in 7 years at Syracuse is 36-48 overall and 19-39 in the ACC. Sure, they had one good year, but the decline was in place before Babers got there. I think the biggest problem that Syracuse football has is that they don't attract the top Northeastern talent anymore. In the old days, many of those recruits were overlooked, but now they are not and they are going to the Big 10, SEC, and Notre Dame.

 

[upstater]

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The pension liability is one thing that UConn could rightly complain about. But... every school is liable to pay for raises. Dont understand why that would need to be pointed out as an increased expense. I mean, Hurley got a raise; the state isn't paying for that.

 

[JeepCSC]

The only program the ACC schools would admit without hesitation at this moment is Notre Dame or someone that ensured Notre Dame agreed to come in. There just isn't any money to be found otherwise.