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jostar1 said:
“This is the best basketball conference, historically, in the country,” Phillips says. “I do not want to downgrade basketball. But at the end of the day, our future will be tied to football success, football revenues, tied to TV.

That doesn't sound good for UConn. Back to hoping for a Big 12 invite.
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"I do not want to downgrade basketball" means basketball is meaningless in conference realignment! If their future is tied to football success, then the ACC is truly done. Once FSU and Clemson leave, their flagship football programs are gone. Cal Stanford and SMU cannot fill that void. Unfortunately, ACC leadership has shown that they do not respect UConn and I don't think that will change. The statement about basketball does indeed reitierate that stance. I would say forget about the Big 12 as well.
 
UConnTrumbull said:
The Calford + SMU additions didn’t move the needle in football. The article even mentions that it was more about academics than sports.
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Cal and Stanford were admitted to the ACC because more than a couple presidents of ACC schools are graduates of those schools and pushed for them to be admitted. Any statements by the ACC about academics are totally bogus and no more than a smokescreen. Remember Louisville?
 
jostar1 said:
“This is the best basketball conference, historically, in the country,” Phillips says. “I do not want to downgrade basketball. But at the end of the day, our future will be tied to football success, football revenues, tied to TV.

That doesn't sound good for UConn. Back to hoping for a Big 12 invite.
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Nothing ever sounds good for UConn but glass half full, it could be good. Let's assume no one is leaving the Big 12. There is no one out there that helps the ACC in any meaningful way from a football standpoint. There are some very solid G5 programs but none that help revenues. Basketball, you have UConn which immediately improves the conference. Take any win you can get. And if the ACC did just a little research, it would realize that having UConn Football in the fold would probably benefit its old Big East rivals. Bring in UConn and USF to start.
 
GoConn said:


Coach K suggests an ACC-Big East Merger here.
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Since Coach K's quote is at the very end of the article:

"We have a conference that in a lot of ways wants to split,” he says. “I’d like to see us talk to the Big East and say, ‘Let’s form the best football-basketball conference.’ Not everyone has to play football. There’s only one conference that thinks about basketball every day of the year—that’s [commissioner] Val Ackerman and the Big East. If you’re a partner with them, that’s a really good thing.”
 
buddy said:
"I do not want to downgrade basketball" means basketball is meaningless in conference realignment! If their future is tied to football success, then the ACC is truly done. Once FSU and Clemson leave, their flagship football programs are gone. Cal Stanford and SMU cannot fill that void. Unfortunately, ACC leadership has shown that they do not respect UConn and I don't think that will change. The statement about basketball does indeed reitierate that stance. I would say forget about the Big 12 as well.
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Yes. He said "I do not want to downgrade basketball"....but he will.
 
Kolumbo said:
Since Coach K's quote is at the very end of the article:

"We have a conference that in a lot of ways wants to split,” he says. “I’d like to see us talk to the Big East and say, ‘Let’s form the best football-basketball conference.’ Not everyone has to play football. There’s only one conference that thinks about basketball every day of the year—that’s [commissioner] Val Ackerman and the Big East. If you’re a partner with them, that’s a really good thing.”
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Coach K is retired. I don't think what he says now means anything to the ACC.
 
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buddy said:
"I do not want to downgrade basketball" means basketball is meaningless in conference realignment! If their future is tied to football success, then the ACC is truly done. Once FSU and Clemson leave, their flagship football programs are gone. Cal Stanford and SMU cannot fill that void. Unfortunately, ACC leadership has shown that they do not respect UConn and I don't think that will change. The statement about basketball does indeed reitierate that stance. I would say forget about the Big 12 as well.
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jostar1 said:
Yes. He said "I do not want to downgrade basketball"....but he will.
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This has the exact same feel as dad saying "This is going to hurt me more than it will you" as he's unbuckling his belt and about ready to dole out a few lashings.
 
jostar1 said:
“This is the best basketball conference, historically, in the country,” Phillips says. “I do not want to downgrade basketball. But at the end of the day, our future will be tied to football success, football revenues, tied to TV.

That doesn't sound good for UConn. Back to hoping for a Big 12 invite.
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The ACC hasn't been the best basketball conference in a long time as they diluted the conference through expansion, the retirement of HOF coaches, and poor coaching hires. And, look at the head coaches. I would say the SEC, B12, and BE have a better roster of coaches.
 
Have been a student of realignment since 1981. Have understood the variables behind the decision making process until recently. Didn't always agree with the decisions, but saw the logic used(see Rutgers and BC). I cannot see what the heck some of these folks are thinking about any more. Nothing screams panic more that the Calford SMU add to the ACC. Yormark had the right idea with UConn, but knuckled under to some of the midwest schools. Somehow I believe we are going to end up OK, but for the life of me don't know how or why. Maybe have a bad case of CR Rule #1, similar to Stockholm Syndrome.
 
jostar1 said:
Coach K is retired. I don't think what he says now means anything to the ACC.
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I tend to agree because the ACC is the George Costanza of power conferences. It does the opposite. It can't get out of its own way. But to Duke, Coach K is the be-all and end-all.
 
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Kolumbo said:
I tend to agree because the ACC is the George Costanza of power conferences.
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Would that make a big 12 the Lloyd Braun of power conferences?
 
UConnJim said:
The ACC hasn't been the best basketball conference in a long time as they diluted the conference through expansion, the retirement of HOF coaches, and poor coaching hires. And, look at the head coaches. I would say the SEC, B12, and BE have a better roster of coaches.
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I don't think they have ever been the best conference. Their composition is always the same, two strong programs (Duke and UNC) a third good program (a rotating spot between UVA, Wake, NC State, FSU) and a bunch of blah. The media has always hyped the conference beyond its reality.
 
MilliniumPrince said:
I don't think they have ever been the best conference. Their composition is always the same, two strong programs (Duke and UNC) a third good program (a rotating spot between UVA, Wake, NC State, FSU) and a bunch of blah. The media has always hyped the conference beyond its reality.
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This is a major reason they need to add UConn.
 
MilliniumPrince said:
I don't think they have ever been the best conference. Their composition is always the same, two strong programs (Duke and UNC) a third good program (a rotating spot between UVA, Wake, NC State, FSU) and a bunch of blah. The media has always hyped the conference beyond its reality.
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You forgot Maryland was in the ACC during their basketball heyday. At one point, the ACC was the top conference and when they took Louisville, Syracuse, and Pitt, it appeared that they would be again but all three programs have not been as successful in the ACC.
 
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Kolumbo said:
Since Coach K's quote is at the very end of the article:

"We have a conference that in a lot of ways wants to split,” he says. “I’d like to see us talk to the Big East and say, ‘Let’s form the best football-basketball conference.’ Not everyone has to play football. There’s only one conference that thinks about basketball every day of the year—that’s [commissioner] Val Ackerman and the Big East. If you’re a partner with them, that’s a really good thing.”
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Coach K is at the heart of the problems of the ACC today....he kept advocating the ACC as a basketball league as a major voice after it became clear that basketball was not where the money was,,,
 
billybud said:
Coach K is at the heart of the problems of the ACC today....he kept advocating the ACC as a basketball league as a major voice after it became clear that basketball was not where the money was,,,
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There was no move the ACC could have made that was gonna have the money anywhere to where it is headed for rhe B1G and SEC. Who knew Maryland had the smartest leadership of any school in the ACC. What you have now is a whole lot of whining from schools that had no problem cashing those ACC checks for years.
 
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noeynox said:
There was no move the ACC could have made that was gonna have the money anywhere to where it is headed for rhe B1G and SEC. Who knew Maryland had the smartest leadership of any school in the ACC. What you have now is a whole lot of whining from schools that had no problem cashing those ACC checks for years.
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they don't like that all the big players moved into one conference and is now getting all the money. I'm sure they're pissed they missed the window to move and know the Big10 and SEC can knife them EVEN IF they take them in the first place.
 
Patman said:
they don't like that all the big players moved into one conference and is now getting all the money. I'm sure they're pissed they missed the window to move and know the Big10 and SEC can knife them EVEN IF they take them in the first place.
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Its all a bit much for me. No school has gotten as screwed in conference realignment as much as UConn. I don't go to the FSU or Clemson boards and inundate them with BS about how bad its been for UConn. Too busy celebrating national championships!
 
UConnJim said:
You forgot Maryland was in the ACC during their basketball heyday. At one point, the ACC was the top conference and when they took Louisville, Syracuse, and Pitt, it appeared that they would be again but all three programs have not been as successful in the ACC.
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Name a season when more than 3 of those teams was a real contender to win it all. Rarely happened. I am not counting names, I am counting contenders and conference strength. The ACC always rode UNC and Duke's coattails and benefited mightily from over inflated preseason rankings.

For all the talk of them being the best conference for decades, most of their titles were won by two programs. Syra, Pitt, Louisville, and ND haven't won a darn thing in that conference. Not one of them is currently relevant. Maryland was really good once a decade. That is not a strong conference. It is a conference with two great programs.
 
Maryland had a athletic department that was broke...a football team that was just OK...The B1G was a good move.

The ACC, with too many small private schools and an emphasis on basketball, was caught flatfooted in the massive money shift to football. The ACC payouts were more than the SEC's as late as 2000. And then everything turned upside down...It was football that brought home the bacon where previously it had been basketball.

The reverberations of that flip-flop are still echoing through the conference.
 
Georgia Tech has played in the Final since Syracuse last played in a Final..(GT lost to UConn). Syracuse won the NC in 2003 and then faded.
 
billybud said:
Maryland had a athletic department that was broke...a football team that was just OK...The B1G was a good move.

The ACC, with too many small private schools and an emphasis on basketball, was caught flatfooted in the massive money shift to football. The ACC payouts were more than the SEC's as late as 2000. And then everything turned upside down...It was football that brought home the bacon where previously it had been basketball.

The reverberations of that flip-flop are still echoing through the conference.
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ACC wasn’t caught flat footed. They were ahead of curve when they poached Big East.
The knew the game played by media partners.
Reality is there is little a conference can do if a higher ranked conference comes knocking and media partners have their checkbook.
ACC went the GOR route and now that is being tested…

If one was to look back and measure success of Miami, BC, VT, Syracuse, Pitt and Louisville you have to say ‘that didn’t quite work out’. Ironically, all but Miami are now considered dead weight in ACC. And Miami is only valued for success 30 years ago.

ACC is now Big East.
 
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