Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[Exit 4]

Posting under Key since its Thamel. Wazzu is losing 40% of its revenues. Looks like they will either fold into the Mtn West or try to make a new conference if Cal and Stanford stick around. From below, the matter of the P12 consultant has bubbled up...did they hire bad advise?

Schulz: WSU in 'bad spot' after Pac-12 'breakup'

Washington State University president Kirk Schulz said he and AD Pat Chun need "to roll up our sleeves and get to work" in the wake of Pac-12 defections.

www.espn.com

"At the end of the day, us doing something on the East Coast, unless it's a hell of a lot of money, there's just no way to make it work," Schulz said.

He said that Washington State and Oregon State are waiting out the courtship between the ACC and Stanford and Cal.



"Schulz said it was "a secondary issue" at this point when asked specifically about Kliavkoff's future, but "if we choose to rebuild a conference around those four schools, is George that guy? All of that then becomes a forefront issue instead of a secondary issue." He did say that if Stanford and Cal stay, any creative solution pushing the Pac-12 forward would likely require a different media consultant. Kliavkoff hired Doug Perlman of Sports Media Advisors, who did not have extensive experience in the college sports space.

"To me, when something happens like this," Schulz said about a media consultant, "we need a new set of people to start with a clean chalkboard.""

 

[huskymedic]

Posting under Key since its Thamel. Wazzu is losing 40% of its revenues. Looks like they will either fold into the Mtn West or try to make a new conference if Cal and Stanford stick around. From below, the matter of the P12 consultant has bubbled up...did they hire bad advise?

Schulz: WSU in 'bad spot' after Pac-12 'breakup'

Washington State University president Kirk Schulz said he and AD Pat Chun need "to roll up our sleeves and get to work" in the wake of Pac-12 defections.

www.espn.com

"At the end of the day, us doing something on the East Coast, unless it's a hell of a lot of money, there's just no way to make it work," Schulz said.

He said that Washington State and Oregon State are waiting out the courtship between the ACC and Stanford and Cal.



"Schulz said it was "a secondary issue" at this point when asked specifically about Kliavkoff's future, but "if we choose to rebuild a conference around those four schools, is George that guy? All of that then becomes a forefront issue instead of a secondary issue." He did say that if Stanford and Cal stay, any creative solution pushing the Pac-12 forward would likely require a different media consultant. Kliavkoff hired Doug Perlman of Sports Media Advisors, who did not have extensive experience in the college sports space.

"To me, when something happens like this," Schulz said about a media consultant, "we need a new set of people to start with a clean chalkboard.""

 

[pj]

No, the problem with UConn being G5 in realignment is Fox has UConn for pennies.

Which is a better position than when we were in the AAC, when ESPN had us for pennies. It's better to have ESPN supporting a move to take us (eg to the ACC) than Fox.

One option UConn has would be to start making noise about Apple.

UConn has to explore every opportunity to increase its profile and revenue. The combination of bootstrapping football, demonstrating value in the UConn brand, and being a leader in exploiting the new media environment would be very helpful.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

You can always count on ESPN to dance on the graves of the athletic programs they kill.

 

[upstater]

I agree that nobody will care about SMU playing ACC schools. But, that is not my point.

Historically, in the linear channel cable bundle model, the conference networks get 2 rates: in market and out of market. For example, Rutgers is in the NYC media market so NYC pays the in market rate for the Big 10 Network. It is assumed that SMU, since it is in the Dallas/Forth Worth market, would bring the ACCN the in-market rate. The difference between the 2 rates could be $1/month per subscriber. So, adding SMU could add up to $3 million per month. or $36 million per year to the ACC Network in subscriber fees.

Yes, this is what we're discussing. The cable systems are under no obligation to jack up each customer's bill especially in an era when they've lost 40% of their customers to streaming.

 

[upstater]

The Wash St U. Pres thinks they should jack up student fees to help pay for the school's budget shortfall.

Tuition and fees for instate is $13,800. So, sure, let the students pay for it!

 

[UConnJim]

Yes, this is what we're discussing. The cable systems are under no obligation to jack up each customer's bill especially in an era when they've lost 40% of their customers to streaming.

It is crazy, but that is what has happened although I agree with you. The fact that the ACC is even thinking about captive cable subs to financially justify expansion tells you why the ACC has failed conference realignment.

 

[Waquoit]

I have Direct TV here in Arizona and I have BTN, SEC, and ACCN. I needed to get a sports package to watch Bruins hockey and those 3 networks are part of the package.

UCLA has a hockey team?

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

If the ACC is still concerned with markets over brands, then they deserve everything that is about to happen to them in the next few years. People do not care about SMU vs any ACC team. People do care about UConn vs half of their old rivals. A UConn v Duke basketball game would deliver more viewers than the highest rated SMU football game lmao

It doesn't matter all that much what the ACC wants - it's about what ESPN wants and ESPN wants brands/rivalries (whereas Fox wants markets).

 

[Vowelguy]

I feel a little bad for Wazzu in terms of understanding their pain. But … what have they been doing for the past year? It was very clear the PAC was in trouble — they needed to be working overtime to either keep things together or start their contingency plans.

I recall a while back when Wake Forest was rallying hard in the ACC — they knew they were in the most precarious situation if the conference failed, so they worked to keep things in order.

 

[Sea Goat]

I agree that nobody will care about SMU playing ACC schools. But, that is not my point.

Historically, in the linear channel cable bundle model, the conference networks get 2 rates: in market and out of market. For example, Rutgers is in the NYC media market so NYC pays the in market rate for the Big 10 Network. It is assumed that SMU, since it is in the Dallas/Forth Worth market, would bring the ACCN the in-market rate. The difference between the 2 rates could be $1/month per subscriber. So, adding SMU could add up to $3 million per month. or $36 million per year to the ACC Network in subscriber fees.

Ok - so someone please explain how Syracuse generates any money for the ACC. Syracuse, the city/TV market, is a pimple on the ass of progress. It is about 1/3 the size of the Hartford market, let alone the rest of CT. Do they have any believable data about Syracuse, the school, generating any revenue outside that sorry region in upstate NY? Is it supportable? You hear about alumni BS. What gives?

 

[hoopsfan22]

Ok - so someone please explain how Syracuse generates any money for the ACC. Syracuse, the city/TV market, is a pimple on the ass of progress. It is about 1/3 the size of the Hartford market, let alone the rest of CT. Do they have any believable data about Syracuse, the school, generating any revenue outside that sorry region in upstate NY? Is it supportable? You hear about alumni BS. What gives?

Supposedly it delivers the NYC market. Not sure how that works considering Syracuse is closer to Canada than NYC.

 

[Sea Goat]

Supposedly it delivers the NYC market. Not sure how that works considering Syracuse is closer to Canada than NYC.

I think that's an unsupportable pile of guano.

 

[noeynox]

I feel a little bad for Wazzu in terms of understanding their pain. But … what have they been doing for the past year? It was very clear the PAC was in trouble — they needed to be working overtime to either keep things together or start their contingency plans.

I recall a while back when Wake Forest was rallying hard in the ACC — they knew they were in the most precarious situation if the conference failed, so they worked to keep things in order.

Whole thing fell apart cause Oregon and Washington had their own agenda to get to the B1G. Mission accomplished sister state schools be damned.

 

[Kolumbo]

The Wash St U. Pres thinks they should jack up student fees to help pay for the school's budget shortfall.

Tuition and fees for instate is $13,800. So, sure, let the students pay for it!

Tuition in the state of Washington is a lot cheaper than in Connecticut. UConn in-state is $19k so yeah, let them pay.

CR really sucks but I don't feel bad for any schools who are jumping ship or jumping into the frozen ocean waters. Not one program has been shafted as much as UConn has.

 

[GoConn]

Would you guys accept that offer that SMU might take? I get it seems like a terrible deal but once your in the club, eventually youll make money down the line.

 

[Kolumbo]

Ok - so someone please explain how Syracuse generates any money for the ACC. Syracuse, the city/TV market, is a pimple on the ass of progress. It is about 1/3 the size of the Hartford market, let alone the rest of CT. Do they have any believable data about Syracuse, the school, generating any revenue outside that sorry region in upstate NY? Is it supportable? You hear about alumni BS. What gives?

Syracuse U is private and despite its location, is probably more connected to NYC than it is to the town of Syracuse. I'll bet a majority of its grads work in or around NYC. That could be changing though as tuitions are climbing and the the SUNY system is excellent.

 

[Vowelguy]

Whole thing fell apart cause Oregon and Washington had their own agenda to get to the B1G. Mission accomplished sister state schools be damned.

That was foreseeable a year ago.

 

[pj]

There's gotta be something going on internally within the ACC. There's gotta be something we don't know. Stanford, Cal, SMU??????

Stanford and Cal make some sense. SMU doesn't make sense unless they need a partner for UConn. Why would they add 3 schools?

 

[GG]

Stanford and Cal make some sense. SMU doesn't make sense unless they need a partner for UConn. Why would they add 3 schools?

If believe they have 15 members.

 

[aburks41]

It doesn't matter all that much what the ACC wants - it's about what ESPN wants and ESPN wants brands/rivalries (whereas Fox wants markets).

Huh? If ESPN wanted brands and rivalries, it certainly would not be going after Cal, Stanford, and SMU lol. They would take UConn and put them up against old conference foes Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, BC, VT, Miami…not to mention our significant tournament history with Duke

 

[UConnJim]

If believe they have 15 members.

14 for football. 17 football members is an odd number.

 

[Sea Goat]

Syracuse U is private and despite its location, is probably more connected to NYC than it is to the town of Syracuse. I'll bet a majority of its grads work in or around NYC. That could be changing though as tuitions are climbing and the the SUNY system is excellent.

I think it is a mirage. No one has any real info on the dynamics if any. Sounds like something ESPN could dream up. Syracuse is, at best, a second tier, expensive ($80k+/year) private school. More importantly, how have they advanced the fortunes of the ACC? How many ACC titles have they won? They have won only one BB Natty two decades ago - pre- ACC. Also, they have won only one football Natty and that was during the Eisenhower administration. No baseball either! Boy, the BS is deep!

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

Huh? If ESPN wanted brands and rivalries, it certainly would not be going after Cal, Stanford, and SMU lol. They would take UConn and put them up against old conference foes Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, BC, VT, Miami…not to mention our significant tournament history with Duke

Except, football rules the day and we aren't that desirable in football yet.

 

[The Viking]

I thought I just read any expansion requires approval of 12 of the 15 ACC members.
Even if we offered to take no revenue for 5 years, I can’t imagine BC, Cuse, FSU, and Clemson voting us in.
There just is no route to get into the ACC for us.
Hope that the Big 12 decides to take UConn and say San Diego State if they do actually follow thru and add two more members - which is no guarantee.