Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[UConn Dan]

Big 12 likely not done. Many holes on east coast, no 'coast to coast'. No NYC market. They gutted the PAC12 because they had to with the football leftovers. Nothing exciting in this conferance honestly....truck stops, Mononpoly on Mormans and a diploma mill in an oven run by a hack....

Let's see.... UConn will be a prize for them and the ACC.

The Big 12 is definitely not done. After adding UofA, ASU, and Utah, last night the board approved Yormark to seek out candidates 17 and 18 by December 31, 2023.

Yormark wants UConn -- just trying to figure out who to partner with. Although there was mention of Oregon State, he prefers to go east, since they went 4 west this time.

 

[businesslawyer]

But wasn't this the exact thing the ACC did to the Big East FB side? I mean the playbook was already written.

Not claiming he wrote the playbook. Just that we need to recognize the risk that he continues to execute the play.

 

[aburks41]

Idk if Nova, St Johns, and Georgetown would want to ever be involved in the Big 12. They would be going from having a substantial voice in conference decisions to the bottom of the totem pole, which is exactly why they wanted nothing to do with UConn/USF/Cincy when the Big East/AAC split happened.

Nova and Georgetown are not hurting for cash like we are

 

[NH Husky]

It’s all about football and showing we belong again. If we show we belong as a football P4. We will have 2 conferences trying to get us maybe even the BIG. But football has to be able to show it belongs. Winning against BiG12 teams will get that. We could go 0-32 in basketball but 10-3 in football 3 years straight and be in a P4 the 4th year. Basketball matters that much.

It would be awesome to pull an Appalachian St level upset at Tennessee. That one event would probably do it.

 

[yuckformak]

The Big 12 is definitely not done. After adding UofA, ASU, and Utah, last night the board approved Yormark to seek out candidates 17 and 18 by December 31, 2023.

Yormark wants UConn -- just trying to figure out who to partner with. Although there was mention of Oregon State, he prefers to go east, since they went 4 west this time.

If they wanted UConn then they wouldn't need to seek out 17 and 18. They would have 17 and we would have the invite.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I’ll say this — Yormark just eliminated a major competitor for football and basketball dollars from the marketplace. Would I put it past him to try to eliminate a basketball competitor from the marketplace as well? (That was rhetorical by the way.)

Bringing in schools that as loss leaders for the purpose of eliminating competitors is clearly illegal under antitrust laws, by the way, but for whatever reason the DOJ to date has clearly not given a damn about college athletics.

Other than the fact that college athletics has lost every major anti-trust case filed against it, this is a great point.

 

[kemba]

Could be.....I've been trying to explain this to BE or die Uconn crowd on twitter. What would it take for Fox with the Big 12's help (and even ESPN if they get some content ) to stop bidding on the Big East in the next media deal ? If Yormark gets the go ahead to offer 3 BE schools and Gonzaga say $10 Mil each for hoops ? It equals a kill shot. Are Nova, G-town and the Johnies gonna say no and end up in a PAC-12 situation or old Big East where the rest are scrambling around hoping for chump change, SMH!....we've this movie way to many times...and Yormark gets NYC and MSG by default, hmmm isn't that what he said he wants !

If the writing is on the wall that the big east is getting raided then you go but right now these are recycled rumors we’ve been hearing for months. If the conversation turns to basketball only we are the prize we can play it like utah and asu did this week go in kicking and screaming if we have to

 

[UConnJim]

It worked so well he ended getting nothing he hadn't been offered before. Massachusetts didn't pony up 1 penny for Gillette.

Not exactly true. Massachusetts kicked in $72 million for "infrastructure improvements" and Gillette Stadium is exempt from property taxes, although the Krafts do pay a fee per ticket sold to the town but the value is less than if the stadium itself was taxed.

 

[businesslawyer]

Other than the fact that college athletics has lost every major anti-trust case filed against it, this is a great point.

How many have been brought by DOJ? DOJ and the FTC act directly in mergers in other areas.

 

[GG]

The Big 12 is definitely not done. After adding UofA, ASU, and Utah, last night the board approved Yormark to seek out candidates 17 and 18 by December 31, 2023.

Yormark wants UConn -- just trying to figure out who to partner with. Although there was mention of Oregon State, he prefers to go east, since they went 4 west this time.

I agree, but still concerned that his vision may not be aligned with the presidents. I truly believe he wanted us this go-around, but the presidents did not see his vision and are more football centric.

 

[GG]

If the writing is on the wall that the big east is getting raided then you go but right now these are recycled rumors we’ve been hearing for months. If the conversation turns to basketball only we are the prize we can play it like utah and asu did this week go in kicking and screaming if we have to

Plus some BE teams have apparently been involved in these discussions, including SJU.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

How many have been brought by DOJ? DOJ and the FTC act directly in mergers in other areas.

The major conferences know they would lose any anti-trust lawsuit, which is why they are so generous with the G5 and why they would never break off, no matter what the edge lords say.

 

[UConnJim]

Think about this for a second, the ACC almost allowed the Big 12 into the Northeast. And, they have 14 members today (plus ND) and we know a couple of schools want to leave. Why doesn't the ACC act and add a school or 2 now? The other 3 conferences already have more schools. I would grab UConn to solidify the Northeast and basketball and I would grab USF. Put UCF on an island in Florida. Wouldn't recruits want to go to USF over UCF if USF is playing FSU, Miami, Clemson,...?

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The Big East and ACC should be talking to each other right now about a merger. Merging the ACC into another league is the only possible way I see out of the GOR.

 

[coachcap]

I don't know how AD Dave plays this going forward, but UConn must not be used as a pawn going forward in conference realignment negotiations. It is a huge stain in perception on the University's reputation & will have negative consequences. I shudder at the idea of folding the football program that SOME 'Yarders aspire to.
If Yormark ACTUALLY wants UCONN as team 17-18, it HAS to happen.
As an alumnus of this institution, I have always been pro-all things UConn, but after SO many failed attempts to get into a P5 (now P4, maybe soon P3) conference, patience is wearing thin & recent events are leaving me feel jaded.

 

[businesslawyer]

The major conferences know they would lose any anti-trust lawsuit, which is why they are so generous with the G5 and why they would never break off, no matter what the edge lords say.

So that’s an admission that the answer to my question was “never,” and thus there was no basis for you to criticize the original statement? Got it. Thanks for your honesty.,

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

You absolutely do not take it

Then you risk everything including BE basketball to do what - maybe get into an ACC remnant league in 5 years?

 

[greenday61892]

The discourse on Twitter in adding OSU & UConn on Twitter shows a lot of sympathy for OSU. Why? Because they were in a power conference & so they have a big budget and a lot more sports than UConn.

Ok interesting where the hell was our sympathy in the collapse of the OBE

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Agree. Football has to go scorched earth on everything and everyone. Give Mora all the resources, get recruits with chip on their shoulder, play anyone anywhere.

I like the way you think. What percentage of the resources will you be funding?

 

[upstater]

I think that FSU will do everything in their power to get out in the next few years and once they do then the dam will break because Clemson will then go and UNC, etc will have to depart, etc. Long story short: The Magnificent 7 will take to action.

They can leave now, but the ACC will get all their TV rights.

and there is no incentive to allow them to leave for the other members.

The former Fox executive who correctly stated that Fox does not want to pay the B12 for UConn because they already own them at a discount also commented on a post about how the networks view a GOR like the ACCs. He made it plain that FSU would not see any money from their TV rights if they left, because that's how GORs work

 

[metsfan2323]

UConn must not be used as a pawn going forward in conference realignment negotiations. It is a huge stain in perception on the University's reputation & will have negative consequences.

The alternative is to never try to get into a P5 or should I say P4 conference which is really unacceptable. Our reputation is not damaged, and we need to keep trying. If the phone rings AD Dave needs to pick it up and listen.

 

[greenday61892]

According to the Jason Scheer comment last night, the potential invite to Gonzaga & UConn is for just basketball, NOT basketball/olympic sports. Acceptance of those terms is a huge headache for the athletic department.

That's literally not even possible unless we go indy for all sports except basketball because of the primary-conference-sponsored-sports rule. God that "offer" is just insulting. He has to know that's not even allowed, and if he doesn't, he's a bigger moron than I could've ever imagined.

 

[Waquoit]

Not exactly true. Massachusetts kicked in $72 million for "infrastructure improvements" and Gillette Stadium is exempt from property taxes, although the Krafts do pay a fee per ticket sold to the town but the value is less than if the stadium itself was taxed.

So the Kraft's went to all that trouble and bluff for $72M "infrastructure improvements"? No, they were all in until CT couldn't deliver.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

If the B12 offers a basketball only spot and covers our exit fee from the Big East, I think we have to take it. We want to be in on their basketball tournament after the split, and we’d now have a foot in the door for future expansion. It’s also just a really strong basketball league tbh.

They would need to pay us considerably more than the BE currently does, cover our BE exit fee, not require us to sign a GOR, and offer us three home and three road football games (on a rotating basis throughout the conference) and a gradually declining exit fee, beginning at what they paid to get us out of the BE, ending at zero (or full membership, our choice) at the time of their current contract expiring.

 

[auggie22]

I think we should permanently dispense with any statement that resembles “we are the obvious candidate” or “we add the most value”.

 

[Rewster]

There's nothing in there that even hints at a partial invite

There's nothing in there that even hints at a partial invite.

Part of this for me and maybe for others is to indulge in some speculation. But I always find you around my corner telling me how it is.

You saw the video. What do you think he is referring to. Not looking for facts just some pure speculation. If you only deal in facts this thread is not for you.

 

[Bongo Fury]

After watching the tang video, it has me thinking the big 12 might be about to take a bite out of the big East.

You wouldn’t have to take too big of a bite for us to not feel good about staying behind.

Villanova

Just that name alone and we’re already uncomfortable.

Villanova and one other traditional power

Georgetown under Cooley?
St John’s under pitino?

Starts to change how you feel instantly.

If things shake loose in ACC, maybe Pitt and Cuse. Don’t be the HolyCross of the Big East

 

[upstater]

Could be.....I've been trying to explain this to BE or die Uconn crowd on twitter. What would it take for Fox with the Big 12's help (and even ESPN if they get some content ) to stop bidding on the Big East in the next media deal ? If Yormark gets the go ahead to offer 3 BE schools and Gonzaga say $10 Mil each for hoops ? It equals a kill shot. Are Nova, G-town and the Johnies gonna say no and end up in a PAC-12 situation or old Big East where the rest are scrambling around hoping for chump change, SMH!....we've this movie way to many times...and Yormark gets NYC and MSG by default, hmmm isn't that what he said he wants !

The risk for these schools would be enormous.

Their fans would fall off if they start to suck in the B12.

They have even bigger rivalries with one another than UConn does.

They'd lose Olympic Sports affiliation in the BE, and worst of all, they risk their own home markets as the BE backfills with replacements.

What happens if the BE adds George Washington to take G'town's spot? What happens if they add St. Joseph's or maybe make a run at Temple? What happens when Seton Hall becomes the main Catholic BE team out of NY?

What I'm saying is: if the departing schools become the BCs of the B12, then good luck to them! Heck, the BE should've invited Boston U. or UMass long ago.

 

[Ha Who]

All of those teams are far more desirable than Gonzaga. Recent success is overrated, markets are far more valuable.

The ACC could potentially do the same thing. People think the Big East failed because it was hybrid which is not true, the hybrid Big East was the best basketball conference in the country, the hybrid Big East failed because ESPN went out of their way to destroy it. Past is prologue.

Time to think outside the box

 

[Storrs South]

The moment you decouple basketball programs from football, football is toast.

Now no conference is going to ever take on football because they don't have to!

Meanwhile, you're asking UConn to spend more money in football operations and more money in travel for all sports while making peanuts in comparison with CBSSN while Big 12 opponents are making significantly more in TV money. Oh and we lose Big East Tournament traveling locally to games.

How is football supposed to magically get good enough it can't be ignored? Even if UConn went 6-6 for the next 5 years in a row, which would be really hard to do with a Big 12 schedule!!!!, that would not change the Big 12 calculus.

If the school is willing to ***** itself out, then the conference will treat it like a *****. It's that simple.