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Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

The guy who does a podcast from the cab of his truck seemed to think an odd number of teams in a conference works. Was it 15 or 17?
 
This is theatre. Utah is going last to preserve the appearance that they are loyal to the PAC. This one is done, unfortunately.
 
I'm glad I'm numb to a lot of this now. (Thanks ACC and Louisville.) I just laugh when many of you are begging for someone with the handle GoKU to show up with some "insider knowledge". I've been there with those supposed people back when realignment hit for us after all heck broke loose and Louisville took our spot.

I'm starting to think that it's not the conferences that are making mistakes by not taking us. I think we just aren't desirable for whatever reason. We can win as many NC in men's or women's bball and no one cares. Football can improve and no one cares. Baseball can make regionals and maybe super regionals, and no one cares. I don't get it. None of us get it. But some how we have pissed off someone and made our accomplishments moot to anyone outside CT.

How schools with no athletic success like UCF, Rutgers, or even Cincy, find golden tickets is beyond me. However, CR rule #1 is always in effect and it basically seems that when a spot opens up that we are rumored to be in the running for, it's just that, a rumor.

So for those of you who have never experienced the anger or frustration that goes along with this, welcome to the club. The kick in the nuts really hurts the first time. After that, you get more and more numb and finally just give up much hope.
 
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auggie22 said:
I think GoKu was an insider, specifically inside UConn AD. Let’s go easy on him or her when they post again, they too have had a bad week.
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He may have had inside information, and was really in the know. But when asked why UConn had to wait to be invited, he had no answer. So, at that point, it was clear that it was not a certainty. Anyway, he is not wrong yet.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
True, but schools do spend their own money to bring in academics who can attract research spending. I imagine this is what they are getting at.
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Yes, but they are already trying to do that. Presumably.
 
Pat125 said:
He may have had inside information, and was really in the know. But when asked why UConn had to wait to be invited, he had no answer. So, at that point, it was clear that it was not a certainty. Anyway, he is not wrong yet.
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His answer was that the big 12 wanted to give the impression there was only one spot left to incentivize AZ. Whether that was correct, who knows. But that was the answer.
 
OkaForPrez said:
Nothing Goku has said about what this week would look like has been wrong yet.
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I agree. GoKU indicated that the big 12 was waiting on permission to go to 16. Another Twitter poster indicated the same. I obviously do not like everything. I’ve been reading about Utah and Arizona state, but I guess we’re not out until we are out.
 
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GG said:
I agree. GoKU indicated that the big 12 was waiting on permission to go to 16. Another Twitter poster indicated the same. I obviously do not like everything. I’ve been reading about Utah and Arizona state, but I guess we’re not out until we are out.
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This makes sense, as well as the point of holding off on UConn to incentivize Arizona. But that definitely means his information was not certain. Maybe I missed a post of his that said it will probably happen, but couldn’t be certain.
 
GoKU said:
This is my last post till this is all done, which should be by Friday or early next week. I stand by what I posted. There will be 16 teams, Colorado Arizona UConn and ASU. If I'm wrong, I will be back here to own it.
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Notice the order here.
 
uconnyankee said:
I think Utah was ‘not returning calls’ at that time. They’ve had a change of heart.
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I’m not sure they have. There are a lot of assumptions around UTAH but have we heard from anyone in the university the way we’ve heard from Arizona? Have they scheduled a board meeting?
 
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auggie22 said:
I think GoKu was an insider, specifically inside UConn AD. Let’s go easy on him or her when they post again, they too have had a bad week.
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I think it' a very likely that he is a blogger who has connections pretty high up the ladder at Kansas and was merely sharing what information he felt he could share.

Kansas could have been told all along that the goal was UConn & Colorado and that could have been the plan until it became apparent that the PAC was about to fall apart. While destroying the PAC with his ineptitude, Kliavkoff also inadvertently took us out as collateral damage.

When Maryland left the ACC, Herbst had quite a few contacts very high up in the tobacco road schools. At that time, ACC was basketball centric and to a great extent, tobacco road centric. The situation then was volatile in that the B-12 was less than a year removed from keeping Texas & OU (along with T Tech & OSU) from leaving for the PAC (imagine how different the world would be today if Beebe and Marinatto hadn't pulled that one off) and let the world know that they would be happy to take FSU & Clemson if those schools weren't happy in the ACC. Louisville, in part using their prior relationships with FSU & V Tech began a campaign lobbying football centric members of the ACC, discrediting UConn football and hitting a nerve on how tobacco road seemed to have all of the power in the conference.

FSU & Clemson, armed with the threat of leaving the conference, started a d!&k measure contest to prove that the tobacco road schools could be taken down a peg and forced the bulk of the conference to vote for Louisville. When this happened, Herbst had been assured numerous times by her friends at Duke, UNC, etc that we were the choice to replace Louisville.

Sadly, until the final announcements are made nothing is definite. We may have some solace at the moment as, the final announcements have not been made on B-12 expansion so technically we aren't out of it yet. Additionally, nothing (other than speculation from some pundits) has transpired indicating that Utah has even begun the process of applying to the B-12 or getting internal approval to move and as recently as 45 minutes ago and ESPN reporter stated that while UofA appear set to move, ASU is still on the fence (also said the board of regents would prefer but not require both schools remain together but would require a permanent scheduling arrangement between the schools if they separate).
 
FfldCntyFan said:
I think it' a very likely that he is a blogger who has connections pretty high up the ladder at Kansas and was merely sharing what information he felt he could share.

Kansas could have been told all along that the goal was UConn & Colorado and that could have been the plan until it became apparent that the PAC was about to fall apart. While destroying the PAC with his ineptitude, Kliavkoff also inadvertently took us out as collateral damage.

When Maryland left the ACC, Herbst had quite a few contacts very high up in the tobacco road schools. At that time, ACC was basketball centric and to a great extent, tobacco road centric. The situation then was volatile in that the B-12 was less than a year removed from keeping Texas & OU (along with T Tech & OSU) from leaving for the PAC (imagine how different the world would be today if Beebe and Marinatto hadn't pulled that one off) and let the world know that they would be happy to take FSU & Clemson if those schools weren't happy in the ACC. Louisville, in part using their prior relationships with FSU & V Tech began a campaign lobbying football centric members of the ACC, discrediting UConn football and hitting a nerve on how tobacco road seemed to have all of the power in the conference.

FSU & Clemson, armed with the threat of leaving the conference, started a d!&k measure contest to prove that the tobacco road schools could be taken down a peg and forced the bulk of the conference to vote for Louisville. When this happened, Herbst had been assured numerous times by her friends at Duke, UNC, etc that we were the choice to replace Louisville.

Sadly, until the final announcements are made nothing is definite. We may have some solace at the moment as, the final announcements have not been made on B-12 expansion so technically we aren't out of it yet. Additionally, nothing (other than speculation from some pundits) has transpired indicating that Utah has even begun the process of applying to the B-12 or getting internal approval to move and as recently as 45 minutes ago and ESPN reporter stated that while UofA appear set to move, ASU is still on the fence (also said the board of regents would prefer but not require both schools remain together but would require a permanent scheduling arrangement between the schools if they separate).
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Why would they not go? For those questioning why we would stay in our current conference, yet expect ASU and Utes to do the same
 
Pat125 said:
This makes sense, as well as the point of holding off on UConn to incentivize Arizona. But that definitely means his information was not certain. Maybe I missed a post of his that said it will probably happen, but couldn’t be certain.
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GoKU believed that Utah would be the odd man out, and was not enthralled with ASU. But I would imagine these types of situations are fluid and things change. Let’s hope things swing back our way.

What concerns me is that Greg Flugar, who has been in top of this situation, has always indicated that ASU and Utah are ahead of us and that things had to break a certain way for us to get in. He has been saying that for months now. It certainly contradicts what GoKU said.
 
Pat125 said:
This makes sense, as well as the point of holding off on UConn to incentivize Arizona. But that definitely means his information was not certain. Maybe I missed a post of his that said it will probably happen, but couldn’t be certain.
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The change was Washington and Oregon and the B1G being willing to take them on the cheap. If those two had no landing spot other than PAC (and Big XII), they stay in the PAC. If they did, so would Utah, ASU and probably Arizona. The B1G screwed us here. Without Washington and Oregon, that Apple deal is more like $12m a school. It forced the hand of schools that didn't want to move.
 
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Ha Who said:
Why would they not go? For those questioning why we would stay in our current conference, yet expect ASU and Utes to do the same
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1 - the financial gains we would receive (after factoring in exit fees and graduated conference payouts) by leaving the BE tower over the gains they would receive by leaving the PAC.
2 - either (or both) could have a sense of loyalty to the conference that elevated them from lower level to P-5 status.
3 - there well could be non-athletic reasons the schools would prefer remaining aligned with top academic schools and have a California presence.

I don't know what the final result will be, and in all candor I expect it to be UofA, ASU & UU, but until we actually see it we won't know.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
1 - the financial gains we would receive (after factoring in exit fees and graduated conference payouts) by leaving the BE tower over the gains they would receive by leaving the PAC.
2 - either (or both) could have a sense of loyalty to the conference that elevated them from lower level to P-5 status.
3 - there well could be non-athletic reasons the schools would prefer remaining aligned with top academic schools and have a California presence.

I don't know what the final result will be, and in all candor I expect it to be UofA, ASU & UU, but until we actually see it we won't know.
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Exactly. Even the apple deal dwarfs our BE money.
 
HuskyHawk said:
The change was Washington and Oregon and the B1G being willing to take them on the cheap. If those two had no landing spot other than PAC (and Big XII), they stay in the PAC. If they did, so would Utah, ASU and probably Arizona. The B1G screwed us here. Without Washington and Oregon, that Apple deal is more like $12m a school. It forced the hand of schools that didn't want to move.
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The B1G hurt our chances tremendously but Kliavkoff screwed us (an ancillary screwing) when he screwed his employer (the PAC) by completely botching the media negotiations. If he had been upfront with the PAC schools things may have unfolded differently.
 
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