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zls44 said:
...why would the Big 12 want one of the hottest rivalries in college sports? In a state whose population is exploding (and gonna run out of water soon, but not their problem)? You're confused on this? Really? Really???
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“Exploding”

They have three million people and are growing at 1.5% per year. These are small numbers.
 
zls44 said:
Utah basketball has the 15th-most wins in NCAA history. They have won more games than Villanova and Michigan State.

They're mediocre now. But to say their program is bad is to fundamentally reveal you have no understanding of history.
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At what point does that history really matter, though? You know who's #6 in wins? Temple.
 
zls44 said:
Utah basketball has the 15th-most wins in NCAA history. They have won more games than Villanova and Michigan State.

They're mediocre now. But to say their program is bad is to fundamentally reveal you have no understanding of history.
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First of all I didn't say their program is bad. I said Utah basketball is a non-starter because you're bringing up Utah basketball while talking about UConn. We have the best basketball in the country and absolutely blow away Utah basketball. So does Nova and Michigan State.
 
I don't think anyone anticipated the PAC deal being so bad. I think the Big 12 is now in such a position of strength (not that they are all that strong to begin with) that they can sit back and have a reverse auction to see who will join for the least amount of a share of their media deal. There really is no difference in the teams left. Let's face it there is no more money, so how will they pay any of these schools decent money? It's going to come down to who grovels the most for any scraps. What choice do they have? let our programs die or accept maybe only slightly more just to get in the door? even then, our programs are still in peril, so the gamble is, does the ACC die to provide more value or not to the big 12 after the BIG and SEC pick over the remains the top teams? We have the basketball. Either there is money in that and we are in or there isn't and we are not. not even sure how we got this far because Colorado leaving was a given and so were the dominoes unless nobody really anticipated a deal that bad.
 
JMick said:
I think I was first here to say that I'll feel bad for Utah if they get left out because I do think they've done everything right.

But it's still a weird add from the perspective of the Big XII. They already have the state locked down.
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If they are out, we are in. If that's the case I'll move forward gratefully and won't even look over my shoulder at them. Sorry, not sorry, we are in a battle for our survival.
 
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JMick said:
At what point does that history really matter, though? You know who's #6 in wins? Temple.
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I can always tap the "just went to back-to-back Rose Bowls" argument again, if youd prefer
 
djct1999 said:
Geez, maybe it’s time for UConn to sell itself to a private equity firm.
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I have no problem with pessimism here. If the B12 decision makers came here, observed this behavior and decided the northeast is weak maybe I'd be concerned. But they don't so I'm not.

What matters is what happens over the next several days and I'm still very optimistic.
 
Tyler2Rings said:
Come on, there is a reason we don't mention Utah in the same breath as Villanova and MSU. Most of those wins came in the WAC and something called the Mountain States Conference. Rick Majerus ain't walking through that door
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I will not abide this Wyoming slander! They have as many national championships as Syracuse and we should all be reminding Syracuse of that at every opportunity.
 
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upstater said:
Every university in the USA has degraded since 2008. U. Cal-Berkeley's President's words to the incoming freshman: "You will pay so much more for an education in the Cal System than your parents did and you will get so much less."

It's a war of attrition. Remember when UAB dropped football a few years ago? Only to have alumni and politicos force them to put it back? I can only imagine the massacres inside that university.

As UConn tops out its tuition, it has less and less wiggle room.

I wrote in an earlier thread about the budget that when people look at the $1B in expenditures, they conclude $50m is only 5%, but the truth is that the fungible part of the school's budget is teeny. Entire colleges inside run on less than that. It's a problem.
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It is possible for a University to hold the line on spending and tuition increases.
I have 2 kids at a large state University that has not raised tuition $1.00 in 12 years- It can be done and still provide a high quality education.
 
zls44 said:
I can always tap the "just went to back-to-back Rose Bowls" argument again, if youd prefer
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And watch what happens to Utah if they get relegated to the MWC. They’ll go back to being nobodies. Winning in a P5 conference is not that hard.
 
zls44 said:
Only on here are people genuinely dismissing the credentials of Utah, a school that just went to back-to-back Rose Bowls, went as far in the WBB tournament as we did and has a solid MBB history.

Try looking around, guys.
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They certainly would be a better take than ASU even with BYU covering the market area.

ASU will always be beholden to U of A because Yormack wants U of A almost as badly as he wants UConn and to get both there was a need for a fourth school immediatly. U of A got the option of selecting between Utah and ASU but not the option of selecting both ASU and Utah.
 
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JMick said:
Duh. But you do get 2-3 Kansas/UConn games which is likely equal to BYU/Utah
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And UConn / Arizona basketball 2-3 times. Plus all the ranked UConn v TBD games that will draw well.

Giving mountain/central teams incremental exposure in the northeast a few times a year.

I think this is a pretty easy call. What I'm hoping is the AZ/ASU being tied at the hip to UT is more a cover from the AZ schools...hey we tried. I've seen nothing positive from Utah about them moving or taking steps to do so.
 
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aburks41 said:
And watch what happens to Utah if they get relegated to the MWC. They’ll go back to being nobodies. Winning in a P5 conference is not that hard.
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...they won a Fiesta Bowl in the MWC and had a damn Olympics hosted at their stadium? And may again in 2032?

They aren't Idaho, guys.

If you wanna be confused by a move, be confused by Arizona State or Colorado!
 
JMick said:
Duh. But you do get 2-3 Kansas/UConn games which is likely equal to BYU/Utah
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Its really not likely equal to that. I wish it was, but football rates drastically higher.
 
JMick said:
I think I was first here to say that I'll feel bad for Utah if they get left out because I do think they've done everything right.

But it's still a weird add from the perspective of the Big XII. They already have the state locked down.
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That's been said somewhere between one and three thousand posts ago. But I do believe you are the second.
 
zls44 said:
Its really not likely equal to that. I wish it was, but football rates drastically higher.
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The best holy war ratings ever were like 3.5 million viewers. And that's the best. Average is 3mm or less. Ranked Kansas vs ranked UConn will pull close to a million viewers.
 
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JMick said:
The best holy war ratings ever were like 3.5 million viewers. And that's the best. Average is 3mm or less. Ranked Kansas vs ranked UConn will pull close to a million viewers.
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Little known fact, the DePaul v. Creighton Christmas game this past season brought in 3 million TV viewers.
 
superjohn said:
ASU is strictly a University of Arizona play. For some reason they seem to really want Arizona despite their not so stellar sports.
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U of A is a basketball and market play like us. Men's bb is a solid program. Second best game I attended was U of A at Gampel. Second only to Kansas at the Civic Center.
 
JMick said:
It would be really funny if the opposite happens and ASU makes Arizona stay in the PAC. Maybe they can just take long enough that the Big XII moves on us.
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It certainly looks like the Board of Trustees, which oversees both U of A and ASU, will keep them both or move them both. Either way leaves the XII with an odd number. So we would have two ways to get in: the XII preferring us to Utah, or U of A and ASU staying Pac and Utah deciding to stay with them.
 
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