Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[CL82]

The amount of slots on premium linear channels is finite - I'm less concerned with money than exposure.

In that sense to @How Sway?! comment they are absolutely competing with p5 leagues for air time. ESPN is all in on the acc / sec and Fox is all in on big ten / big 12 (with some crossover between the two). Those leagues all have tv deals and have expanded with additional programs and content since the last go around.

Simply put, in a vacuum your points aren't wrong per se, but once again the timing of the Big East deal is going to be awful.

Define awful. Is it $5 million per school per year? Because that would be like a 20% increase over the big east current deal. There are only a limited amount of viewing slots to go around. If networks can fill them with relatively inexpensive, yet watchable, content that is desirable for advertisers, doesn't that maximize revenue?

Part of the PAC 12's issue is that their content is "expensive" and less usable given their time zone. The big east doesn't have either one of those issues.

 

[giddyup]

So what is clearly the 3rd best football league in the country is not very good in your opinion. When we were in the Big East we were in the 6th best football league and we loved it. There is a pecking order in college football and the B12 may be short an elite team, but TCU certainly seems close to filling the void.

Why are you using logic with a Mets fan? They hopelessly cling to sentimentality in lieu of dealing with reality.

 

[superjohn]

There's one conference in CFB that matters if we're being real. Outside of two teams OSU/Clemson the SEC has won all the Nattys. These teams have made the championship game ever since they went to a playoff:

Oregon
TCU
LSU
OSU (2)
Georgia (3)
Clemson (4)
Alabama (6)

So adding up that's 10 SEC, 4 Clemson, 2 OSU, TCU, Oregon.

Agreed but people still watch Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State....Those are name brands throughout the country. The Big 12 doesn't have that now that Oklahoma and Texas are leaving.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Define awful. Is it $5 million per school per year? Because that would be like a 20% increase over the big east current deal. There are only a limited amount of viewing slots to go around. If networks can fill them with relatively inexpensive, yet watchable, content that is desirable for advertisers, doesn't that maximize revenue?

Part of the PAC 12's issue is that their content is "expensive" and less usable given their time zone. The big east doesn't have either one of those issues.

Awful as in the sense that the linear broadcast spots have already been spoken by leagues that have bigger brands, better ratings, and more expensive TV deals.

In the scheme of our financials $1-$2M a year is immaterial to the success or failure of our programs.. being resigned to behind a paywall/CBS sports network is a much bigger issue.

There were other purely financial considerations (travel, tickets, etc.) that prompted us to leave the AAC but that TV deal in total would have paid us more than FS and cbs sports network have. But we traded dollars for exposure (again host of other reasons but just talking $).

Unfortunately I don't think there's an alternative path here.

 

[auggie22]

Interesting question as who is best and spread through top 3 or 4 conferences in football. Went to my ol' standby "Massey" to see their end 2022 ratings by conference P5 adjusted for teams transferring in and out (excluded ND). Show below overall average conference ratings, best rated team, median rated team and worst rated teams:

Sec 29.8, 1, 24, 76
B10 36.9, 3, 28, 97
B12 39.3, 7, 42, 63
ACC 52.0, 10, 49, 96
PAC 53.0, 11, 60, 117

How to judge, decided would take average team ratings by conference and judge each by how much higher the average was vs. the next worst team (i.e, is there more % difference between best the SEC and 2nd best the B10 or 3rd best B12 and the 4th best ACC, etc.)

B10 vs. SEC is = 24% higher
B12 vs. B10 is = 7% higher
Acc vs. B12 is = 32% higher
PAC vs. Acc is = 2% higher

Based on above would suggest that B12 is quite clearly # 3 football conference and is closer to B10 than would have thought.
Also interesting:

1. How much one bad team impacts conference averages with Colorado being #117 in 2022 and bringing up the averaged for Pac10 from 46 to 53.
2. How close B12 average was to B10 (vs. difference from SEC to B10).
3. B12 had by far the "least bad team" as bottom dweller in Kansas at #63 where even SEC had a #76 in Vanderbilt.
4. How bad the ex BE teams at time of BCU leaving were overall:
Pitt #28, Fruit #54, Miami # 71, Rutgers # 81, BCU # 95, VT #96. Good thing for ACC they picked good football schools.

I doubt I’ll find it but I was also surprised at how much higher the football ratings were for big 12 teams relative to ACC. Granted a league without Oklahoma and Texas will take a step back in prestige but my bet is they will still be #3 in ratings without them.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Agreed but people still watch Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State....Those are name brands throughout the country. The Big 12 doesn't have that now that Oklahoma and Texas are leaving.

Correct, but the money is good, competition is good and there should be enough compelling match ups for UConn fans.

10 years from now you reassess your options.

 

[Husky68]

I doubt I’ll find it but I was also surprised at how much higher the football ratings were for big 12 teams relative to ACC. Granted a league without Oklahoma and Texas will take a step back in prestige but my bet is they will still be #3 in ratings without them.

Ratings I did was with Ok. and Texas out of B12 and Houston, Cin. BYU and UCF in so unless B12 falls apart or ACC or PAC get way better the B12 should still be solid #3 even before the UConn sleeping (maybe not longer sleeping) giant arrives. UConn only needs to move up to #94 to be better than a 2022 BCU and be the best Div 1 football team in New England and to #53 to be better than any team in southern Canada.

 

[noeynox]

Could be nothing

 

[UConn Dan]

Could be nothing

Not CR related. Looks like it's related the misconduct allegations.

 

[noeynox]

Not CR related. Looks like it's related the misconduct allegations.

Didn't know those existed.

 

[CL82]

Awful as in the sense that the linear broadcast spots have already been spoken by leagues that have bigger brands, better ratings, and more expensive TV deals.

In the scheme of our financials $1-$2M a year is immaterial to the success or failure of our programs.. being resigned to behind a paywall/CBS sports network is a much bigger issue.

There were other purely financial considerations (travel, tickets, etc.) that prompted us to leave the AAC but that TV deal in total would have paid us more than FS and cbs sports network have. But we traded dollars for exposure (again host of other reasons but just talking $).

Unfortunately I don't think there's an alternative path here.

I'm not sure that it actually was a better deal on a net basis. At the time Susan Herbst said that our travel costs were approximately $2 million. So, in a quick and dirty computation, big east media distributions, plus the $2 million travel savings, plus the half million we get from CBS Sportsnet totals effectively to about $7 million. I feel as if that's a fairly close approximation of what the American teams were getting in the first year of the contract. Keep in mind that the American deal also required schools to bear the TV production cost for all sports except for football. Being in the Big East probably was at worst a "breakeven choice."

But I agree with you it wasn't a financial decision it was an exposure decision, including particularly the fact that woman's basketball was going to be put behind a pay wall rather than be readily available on SNY.

 

[gioff2323]

There's one conference in CFB that matters if we're being real. Outside of two teams OSU/Clemson the SEC has won all the Nattys. These teams have made the championship game ever since they went to a playoff:

Oregon
TCU
LSU
OSU (2)
Georgia (3)
Clemson (4)
Alabama (6)

So adding up that's 10 SEC, 4 Clemson, 2 OSU, TCU, Oregon.

While the SEC is head and shoulders above others, your data suggests there are 4 schools and everyone else.

 

[gioff2323]

Per Wash Post — Stanford University President Marc Tessier-Lavigne announced Wednesday he will resign after an investigative report found he had failed to correct mistakes in years-old scientific papers and overseen labs that had an “unusual frequency” of manipulations of data.

 

[noeynox]

Per Wash Post — Stanford University President Marc Tessier-Lavigne announced Wednesday he will resign after an investigative report found he had failed to correct mistakes in years-old scientific papers and overseen labs that had an “unusual frequency” of manipulations of data.

Sounds like science.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

I'm not sure that it actually was a better deal on a net basis. At the time Susan Herbst said that our travel costs were approximately $2 million. So, in a quick and dirty computation, big east media distributions, plus the $2 million travel savings, plus the half million we get from CBS Sportsnet totals effectively to about $7 million. I feel as if that's a fairly close approximation of what the American teams were getting in the first year of the contract. Keep in mind that the American deal also required schools to bear the TV production cost for all sports except for football. Being in the Big East probably was at worst a "breakeven choice."

But I agree with you it wasn't a financial decision it was an exposure decision, including particularly the fact that woman's basketball was going to be put behind a pay wall rather than be readily available on SNY.

The Big East was able to negotiate it's first deal with Fox when the network was beginning to acquire content and needed quite a bit of winter programming.

If anything the Big East in a vacuum is much more valuable product in 2023 with UConn then after the original break, but I'm highly concerned there's just not going to be much demand to showcase the product on FS1 the way it used to be.

 

[shizzle787]

The Big East was able to negotiate it's first deal with Fox when the network was beginning to acquire content and needed quite a bit of winter programming.

If anything the Big East in a vacuum is much more valuable product in 2023 with UConn then after the original break, but I'm highly concerned there's just not going to be much demand to showcase the product on FS1 the way it used to be.

If FOX doesn’t get a piece of the Pac-12, the only other leagues FOX will have are the B1G and Big 12, and both of these leagues have multiple TV partners.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

If FOX doesn’t get a piece of the Pac-12, the only other leagues FOX will have are the B1G and Big 12, and both of these leagues have multiple TV partners.

Big 12 close to $2.28B media deal with ESPN, Fox

The new contract, which takes hold starting in 2025, includes ESPN owning more than 60 percent of the inventory and Fox adding a sizable portion of college basketball.

Not to mention that the B1G will play hoops primarily on Fox (no ESPN). This was not the case when the first BE was negotiated.

As much as I like the Big East, the Big12 and B1G are going to be the majority of their inventory.

Why pay Seton Hall and Butler a combined $15M a year when you already have more than enough programming of bigger schools?

 

[Exit 4]

Coach Prime - to miss the P12 media day - well that is damn convenient.

 

[GG]

Big 12 close to $2.28B media deal with ESPN, Fox

The new contract, which takes hold starting in 2025, includes ESPN owning more than 60 percent of the inventory and Fox adding a sizable portion of college basketball.

Not to mention that the B1G will play hoops primarily on Fox (no ESPN). This was not the case when the first BE was negotiated.

As much as I like the Big East, the Big12 and B1G are going to be the majority of their inventory.

Why pay Seton Hall and Butler a combined $15M a year when you already have more than enough programming of bigger schools?

Exactly. This is what many people are not understanding.

 

[RSTuthill]

Sounds like science.

Correction. Very bad science.

Peer review finds those instances of manipulation. Science as a whole is not like that.

 

[UConnJim]

Big 12 close to $2.28B media deal with ESPN, Fox

The new contract, which takes hold starting in 2025, includes ESPN owning more than 60 percent of the inventory and Fox adding a sizable portion of college basketball.

Not to mention that the B1G will play hoops primarily on Fox (no ESPN). This was not the case when the first BE was negotiated.

As much as I like the Big East, the Big12 and B1G are going to be the majority of their inventory.

Why pay Seton Hall and Butler a combined $15M a year when you already have more than enough programming of bigger schools?

Not true. We have gone through this before. There is a small uptick in basketball inventory from the Big 10. People don't understand how much Big 10 basketball goes to the BTN (51% owned by Fox). The Big 12 inventory is about the same and (as it appears now) FOX loses the Pac 12 inventory (19 on FS1 and 3 on FOX). And, the only conference tournament on FOX is the Big East. Losing the Big East would create a large inventory hole for FOX. And, don't forget the women's basketball games on FS1/FOX

 

[Waquoit]

Coach Prime - to miss the P12 media day - well that is damn convenient.

It there ever a good time to get amputated?

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Not true. We have gone through this before. There is a small uptick in basketball inventory from the Big 10. People don't understand how much Big 10 basketball goes to the BTN (51% owned by Fox). The Big 12 inventory is about the same and (as it appears now) FOX loses the Pac 12 inventory (19 on FS1 and 3 on FOX). And, the only conference tournament on FOX is the Big East. Losing the Big East would create a large inventory hole for FOX. And, don't forget the women's basketball games on FS1/FOX

You're disputing the quote from the article above?

Not to mention the B1G will now have 16 (up from 14) teams and the Big12 will have 12 (up from 10).

What time slots would the Big East possibly overlap with the Pac anyway?

I'd be interested in being proven wrong if it's the case - I just don't see how it adds up the way you are saying it to be.

 

[huskymedic]

#headfake




-> …But the university’s commitment to the conference it joined a dozen years ago could depend, in part, on a long-awaited Pac-12 broadcast rights deal. DiStefano said clarity on the new media partnerships is expected to be presented to league chancellors and presidents Thursday by conference commissioner George Kliavkoff.

“I’m eagerly awaiting to hear what the commissioner has to say (Thursday),” DiStefano told The Post in a phone interview Wednesday afternoon. “But at this point, the 10 (Pac-12) schools are staying together and awaiting a message from the commissioner.”<-

-> “(CU’s) goal is to stay within the Pac-12 and have a media deal coming up shortly,” the chancellor continued. “That’s our goal. And I believe the presidents and chancellors of the Pac-12 are together on that.” <-

->When asked if there was a target payout number that CU would like to see from the Pac-12, DiStefano replied:

“You’d like to see it at — I think all along, we’ve talked about (and have been) looking at, what the ACC and the Big 12 (have received) and what the SEC and the Big Ten are getting, and wanting to be kind of in the middle of the pack — probably to be third, behind the SEC. That’s been the goal for such a long time.”

DiStefano added that he had yet to see a “final number on media rights (from Kliavkoff) … that’s why we’re meeting tomorrow.” <-

 

[Tyler2Rings]

“probably to be third, behind the SEC. That’s been the goal for such a long time.”

CU to Big 12 confirmed?