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Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

Absent his self-disclosed honesty, which Boneyard contributor?
It was a channel 8 panel with four panelists. Each one gave their take on expansion. When the discussion leader asked one of the four for his opinion he said something like "I told you before I don't know anything about sports." That was it and then they moved on to someone else.
 
It was a channel 8 panel with four panelists. Each one gave their take on expansion. When the discussion leader asked one of the four for his opinion he said something like "I told you before I don't know anything about sports." That was it and then they moved on to someone else.
Whoosh, no kidding.
 
I don't see how the B12 can't grab SDSU. It seems like the B12 is the better long term home and the SDSU couldn't risk missing out on a B12 invite just to wait around for the PAC offer and payout numbers.
SDSU gets its student body overwhelmingly from CA and Pac 12 territory, and will continue to. There is a huge, huge benefit in terms of recruiting students by playing in the Pac and not the Big XII regardless of athletic department cash. They would take less money to join the Pac. However, if they think the Pac will be dissolving in a few years anyway, that would change the equation.
 
SDSU gets its student body overwhelmingly from CA and Pac 12 territory, and will continue to. There is a huge, huge benefit in terms of recruiting students by playing in the Pac and not the Big XII regardless of athletic department cash. They would take less money to join the Pac. However, if they think the Pac will be dissolving in a few years anyway, that would change the equation.

I'm not so sure that is true in a Pac12 without UCLA and USC. Being in the big 12 and getting better visibility in sports I think would expand their reach more than the occasional game with Stanford and Cal.
 
SDSU gets its student body overwhelmingly from CA and Pac 12 territory, and will continue to. There is a huge, huge benefit in terms of recruiting students by playing in the Pac and not the Big XII regardless of athletic department cash. They would take less money to join the Pac. However, if they think the Pac will be dissolving in a few years anyway, that would change the equation.
That makes sense, but passing up a B12 offer in hopes of a good offer from the PAC down the road seems kind of crazy. I would think the kids being recruited to SDSU would be happy to play in the B12, just like UConn recruits would.
 
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That makes sense, but passing up a B12 offer in hopes of a good offer from the PAC down the road seems kind of crazy. I would think the kids being recruited to SDSU would be happy to play in the B12, just like UConn recruits would.
I didn't talk about passing up a bird in the hand for two in the bush. Just that if it has a choice, SDSU would for reasons having nothing to do with athletics far prefer to be in the Pac.
 
I didn't talk about passing up a bird in the hand for two in the bush. Just that if it has a choice, SDSU would for reasons having nothing to do with athletics far prefer to be in the Pac.
Why does anything else matter for an athletic conference/association? I don't really understand this logic. Fox and ESPN aren't going to pay an athletic conference more money because of how big its members' libraries are or how many PhDs it cranks out.
 
I didn't talk about passing up a bird in the hand for two in the bush. Just that if it has a choice, SDSU would for reasons having nothing to do with athletics far prefer to be in the Pac.

This is correct. This is on top of the fact that PAC-12 has far better academic schools vs. the Big 12. If UCONN is on the West Coast, we would be an excellent fit for the PAC-12. In CA, UC schools (UCLA, UC Berkley etc.) are top tier, while schools like SDSU are the next. It will be a hit on several current PAC-12 schools' egos if they accept SDSU into the conference. For survival purposes, it would be crazy for the PAC-12 to let B12 take SDSU. At some point, the current PAC-12 schools might have to consider schools like Boise St just for survival.

I am pretty sure SDSU would prefer PAC-12 over Big-12 if they had choices. If there is no PAC-12 offer, they will take the Big 12 offer.
 
Why does anything else matter for an athletic conference/association? I don't really understand this logic. Fox and ESPN aren't going to pay an athletic conference more money because of how big its members' libraries are or how many PhDs it cranks out.
What do you think is more important to a school, academics or athletics?

At the end of the day, athletics is just marketing to prospective students. If a school gets the vast majority of their student body from a region in the country, they are going to want to market themselves the most in that region, if they can.
 
The guy on the right on that panel gets and understands it. He should be urged to talk more.
The guy on the right is Stewart McKinney, former US rep from CT, and he gets it totally. The woman to his right (viewers' left), is Liz Kantrowiscz and she is not buying it saying that there isn't a big enough base of support for bigtime UConn football. She is putting up all the timeworn arguments for staying in the NBE which to my mind are rebuttable one by one.
 
The guy on the right is Stewart McKinney, former US rep from CT, and he gets it totally. The woman to his right (viewers' left), is Liz Kantrowiscz and she is not buying it saying that there isn't a big enough base of support for bigtime UConn football. She is putting up all the timeworn arguments for staying in the NBE which to my mind are rebuttable one by one.
Stewart McKinney died of AIDS 40 years ago.
 
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Why does anything else matter for an athletic conference/association? I don't really understand this logic. Fox and ESPN aren't going to pay an athletic conference more money because of how big its members' libraries are or how many PhDs it cranks out.
Because universities have bigger fish to fry than how much money their athletic departments make.
 
Because universities have bigger fish to fry than how much money their athletic departments make.
I'm sure they do, but we're talking about conference realignment here not debating the mission of the higher education system in America. IMO money is the only thing that matters. It's what all the infighting in the ACC is about and why the search is on for a way out of the GOR. It's why some Pac12 schools are looking to jump ship, and why everyone is trying to get into the B1G or $EC. It's why even our athletic director tweets about our AD's financial state from time to time.
 
I'm sure they do, but we're talking about conference realignment here not debating the mission of the higher education system in America. IMO money is the only thing that matters. It's what all the infighting in the ACC is about and why the search is on for a way out of the GOR. It's why some Pac12 schools are looking to jump ship, and why everyone is trying to get into the B1G or $EC. It's why even our athletic director tweets about our AD's financial state from time to time.
Universities view athletic departments as a means to an end. Not as the end itself. The goal is for the athletic department to help the university achieve its goals, not just to produce more revenue.

Assuming, of course, that the University isn't Auburn, LSU or 'Bama.
 
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From Thamel’s ESPN article today. This “notion bubbling up” is concerning, but who knows what’s going on…
 
I'm sure they do, but we're talking about conference realignment here not debating the mission of the higher education system in America. IMO money is the only thing that matters. It's what all the infighting in the ACC is about and why the search is on for a way out of the GOR. It's why some Pac12 schools are looking to jump ship, and why everyone is trying to get into the B1G or $EC. It's why even our athletic director tweets about our AD's financial state from time to time.
I think it is irrelevant. I don't think the Big XII has interest in SDSU. They'd join SMU as backfill in the Pac12. If Colorado jumps, the Pac12 will need more backfill. But given the choice, I think SDSU would choose the Pac12 anyway.

The Thamel post above aligns with my thoughts. Big XII wants Colorado #1. Arizona #2. The other corner schools maybe 3-4, UConn possibly tied at 4. If they think the ACC implodes, they'd want some of those schools. Loading up now with the likes of SDSU? Hell no. Why would they? The Pac12 would, because they have no choice. That's probably how Big XII felt when brining in the most recent 4 schools, there were no options. I am sure they'd kick UCF and BYU to the curb if they could and thought they could get more Pac12 schools or ACC schools.
 
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I don’t get the whole waiting game until the ACC implodes instead of taking UConn now.

You can do both. (Regarding Tramels article)
I can see how waiting does provide benefits to the Big12:

1. You on-board your 4 new schools coming in
2. You let UConn show a bit more football progress with Mora at the helm.
3. You let Colorado show improvement under Sanders (it's still an unknown)
4. You keep more of the increasing CFP monies that is looming from the expanded playoffs
5. You see how the PAC shakes out
6. You see if/how anyone might be able to break out of the ACC GOR

Lots of reasons why waiting could be the best path for them.
 
I don’t get the whole waiting game until the ACC implodes instead of taking UConn now.

You can do both. (Regarding Tramels article)
Simply put, it's all about football.... UConn's is widely looked down upon ... by its own Bball fan base especially. Other programs like Kansas, and even Colorado have had years upon years of horrible football products and empty stadiums with the luxury of P5 money to prop their egos....UConn has had to use alternative revenue sources to keep spending on par with P5 athletic programs ... P5 old money doesn't respect that. What I find most interesting in all this is how much UCF and Cinci thumb their noses at UConn athletics. Perhaps they have earned it but talk about entitled fanbases forgetting where they came from.
 
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Blah, blah, blah. When legitimate, documented actions are announced, e.g., Pac 12 media contract, Pac 12 GOR, possible resulting Big XII invitations agreed and announced, etc, or 6/30 passes into 7/1 occurs (or, is it 7/1 to 7/2?), then "Key Tweets" may occur. Until then, more ado about nothing.
 
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