Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[dayooper]

You are way overvaluing Oregon and Washington. It's already been put out there those schools don't have large concentrations of B1G alumni, aren't big recruiting areas and don't pull in many TV's.

Of course I am. I am going off the tweet from yesterday that said they were being looked at.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

only ND could have issues leaving their current conference.

I don't think Notre Dame has any real issue leaving the ACC.

 

[billybud]

I'll stop believing that the GOR is a binding tie when anyone, anywhere, challenges and beats a GOR...

It is such a simple contract. No mention of dissolution, no mention of damages, no mechanism for leaving a conference...just a straight assigning of rights for a period of time.

 

[Rufus]

I hope one day a book comes out or a documentary that reveals all the behind the scenes conversations that took place through each phase of realignment.

 

[Hondo 77]

I hope one day a book comes out or a documentary that reveals all the behind the scenes conversations that took place through each phase of realignment.

“Nice little conference you got there. Be a shame if anything happened to it.”

 

[goldendomer]

I don't think Notre Dame has any real issue leaving the ACC.

Just cut a big check.. most estimates are between 125-200 million.

 

[CL82]

Just cut a big check.. most estimates are between 125-200 million.

I mean, I don’t wanna brag or anything, but I’m like 90% sure I could get UConn to join the Big Ten for 100 to 150 million.

 

[billybud]

Just cut a big check.. most estimates are between 125-200 million.

That would pay the exit fee....The ACC then could litigate the contract that was ancillary to the GOR in which the Irish contracted to join the ACC for football iof they joined a conference for such.

Re Notre Dame football...forget the GOR...one has to wonder how much the ACC would claim as damages for the Irish's breach of their contract that states that, if they join a conference, it would be the ACC ?

1...the damage might be the difference in media funding that the ACC might have received with Notre Dame as a full member for the next ten years. With media experts and ESPN subpoenaed.

2...I would love to see the Irish brass after David (using WVU lingo).

And...the ACC would still own all rights to non football sports.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

Here's some reporting from SI:
... "But leaving the ACC could be costly owing to the league's grant of rights agreement. Any school that leaves before 2036 would have to give its media revenue to the ACC through that year, or else pay a major exit fee rumored to be around $100 million.

But reports also indicate that Notre Dame could avoid some of that bill, which could be lower given that the school's football program wouldn't be part of that deal.

Any fee that ND would have to pay, the school would likely make back in a year or two of being in the Big Ten."

@goldendomer : is that your understanding? If so, I don't think the GOR would hold them back from leaving the ACC.

 

[bobbyinaz]

That would pay the exit fee....The ACC then could litigate the contract that was ancillary to the GOR in which the Irish contracted to join the ACC for football iof they joined a conference for such.

Re Notre Dame football...forget the GOR...one has to wonder how much the ACC would claim as damages for the Irish's breach of their contract that states that, if they join a conference, it would be the ACC ?

1...the damage might be the difference in media funding that the ACC might have received with Notre Dame as a full member for the next ten years. With media experts and ESPN subpoenaed.

2...I would love to see the Irish brass after David (using WVU lingo).

And...the ACC would still own all rights to non football sports.

Be careful what you wish for dragging ESPN & ACC into depositions.

Do either want any of their past brought to light? Especially how ESPN dismantled the Big East or what happened when DeFilipo ran his mouth about how they did what they were told to by ESPN?

Litigating a Notre Dame exit may not be in ESPN or ACC best interest.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

Be careful what you wish for dragging ESPN & ACC into depositions.

Do either want any of their past brought to light? Especially how ESPN dismantled the Big East or what happened when DeFilipo ran his mouth about how they did what they were told to by ESPN?

Litigating a Notre Dame exit may not be in ESPN or ACC best interest.

Agreed - these things never get to the depo stage; they reach a settlement. The media cartels' lawyers and the NCAA's anti-trust related status are huge barriers to this ever happening.

 

[billybud]

Oh...I and FSU guys would love it...ACC..bah?

 

[billybud]

I think that a couple of ACC programs are set and ready...if the Irish set the precedence from walking from a contractual committment...

 

[FfldCntyFan]

That would pay the exit fee....The ACC then could litigate the contract that was ancillary to the GOR in which the Irish contracted to join the ACC for football iof they joined a conference for such.

Re Notre Dame football...forget the GOR...one has to wonder how much the ACC would claim as damages for the Irish's breach of their contract that states that, if they join a conference, it would be the ACC ?

1...the damage might be the difference in media funding that the ACC might have received with Notre Dame as a full member for the next ten years. With media experts and ESPN subpoenaed.

2...I would love to see the Irish brass after David (using WVU lingo).

And...the ACC would still own all rights to non football sports.

I can't claim that I know this is the case as I never saw any of the contracts but almost immediately after the USC-UCLA news broke a few credible journalists wrote that ND's agreement with the ACC on joining football ends the second ND is officially withdrawn from that conference in all other sports.

The exit fee (IIRC) is somewhere around $55 million. The one variable (which will be considerably smaller for ND as they aren't a football member) is a negotiated buyout of the GOR. That by itself could be anywhere from just shy of nine figures to a bit north of it. It also would likely set the market for where a full member's buyout would be (175%-225% of ND's perhaps?).

 

[goldendomer]

Here's some reporting from SI:
... "But leaving the ACC could be costly owing to the league's grant of rights agreement. Any school that leaves before 2036 would have to give its media revenue to the ACC through that year, or else pay a major exit fee rumored to be around $100 million.

But reports also indicate that Notre Dame could avoid some of that bill, which could be lower given that the school's football program wouldn't be part of that deal.

Any fee that ND would have to pay, the school would likely make back in a year or two of being in the Big Ten."

@goldendomer : is that your understanding? If so, I don't think the GOR would hold them back from leaving the ACC.

That is my educated guess. But also what I have pieced together. We have the greatest chance to move, but it will be costly.

 

[billybud]

A lot of BS is all over the internet by various noodlers regarding the Irish exit mechanism and the costs of that exit.

What we do know:

.....The ACC Exit fee is currently $108 million

.....Notre Dame was allowed to participate in the ACC under conditions

1---The signing of a GOR binding non football, except hockey, sports until 2037

2---The signing of an ancillary to that GOR that specified the number of football games that the Irish would schedule against ACC teams per season and guaranteed that, if he Irish joined a conference for football, it would be the ACC.

 

[ZooCougar]

I'll stop believing that the GOR is a binding tie when anyone, anywhere, challenges and beats a GOR...

It is such a simple contract. No mention of dissolution, no mention of damages, no mechanism for leaving a conference...just a straight assigning of rights for a period of time.

Don’t worry. It’s coming old codger.

 

[billybud]

If the Irish paid the Exit fee...the ACC would still own all of the media rights other than football...and could/would ask for massive damages in addition.

Irish will remain independent.

(although some of the ACC football schools are salivating at the prospect of Notre Dame breaking the shackles).

But it is the Hotel California.

 

[billybud]

Don’t worry. It’s coming old codger.

F. off caged cat...I'm no codger, old maybe.

I could be wrong...but I do not think so in the shorter term...although praying that I am.

Gawd...how I have despised the ACC. The thought of me coming to end life with my school still stuck in the hotel..yech

You can check out any time that you like
But you can never leave

 

[billybud]

The only way that I can see to make everything work is that the ACC/ESPN contract contains an out provision for ESPN to void the conference contract and thus the GOR.

Nobody has seen a copy of the ACC/ESPN contract since it is not subject to FOIA.

I find it interesting that the school presidents were not privy to a billion dollar contract. FSU, under FOIA demands, states that they never saw it and that the conference office negotiated it and signed it.

 

[dayooper]

F. off caged cat...I'm no codger, old maybe.

I could be wrong...but I do not think so in the shorter term...although praying that I am.

Gawd...how I have despised the ACC. The thought of me coming to end life with my school still stuck in the hotel..yech

You can check out any time that you like
But you can never leave

It’s coming. Probably won’t be in the near future, but it looks like there will be a Power 2 and a Leftover 1 with The Big12 (with a new name, of course) being the 3rd. If the Big10 and SEC go to 24, that’s 48 teams. Place 20-24 teams in the Big12 and you have everything taken care of. 68-72 teams and you are set.

The GOR does not exist if The ACC is disbanded, there would be nothing to hold the rights. To avoid legal issues, you would have to give whomever isn’t in the P2 the same money and exposure as they would have had in the ACC. That’s where the leftover conference comes in.

The only teams you would have to worry about are those from the ACC as you would be disbanding before the end of the GOR and media contract.

 

[dayooper]

I find it interesting that the school presidents were not privy to a billion dollar contract. FSU, under FOIA demands, states that they never saw it and that the conference office negotiated it and signed it.

It makes perfect sense. They had their lawyers read it, but at the ACC headquarters (which is a private organization). It does not fall under any FOIA. Notice that each of the P5 has at least 1 private school? Northwestern, Stanford, Baylor, Vandy and the many ACC private schools are all not subjected to FOIA.

 

[Billy Jack]

It’s coming. Probably won’t be in the near future, but it looks like there will be a Power 2 and a Leftover 1 with The Big12 (with a new name, of course) being the 3rd. If the Big10 and SEC go to 24, that’s 48 teams. Place 20-24 teams in the Big12 and you have everything taken care of. 68-72 teams and you are set.

The GOR does not exist if The ACC is disbanded, there would be nothing to hold the rights. To avoid legal issues, you would have to give whomever isn’t in the P2 the same money and exposure as they would have had in the ACC. That’s where the leftover conference comes in.

The only teams you would have to worry about are those from the ACC as you would be disbanding before the end of the GOR and media contract.

I don’t understand this infatuation with the Big XII as a landing spot for teams that bring in sizable revenue.

 

[Chin Diesel]

I don’t understand this infatuation with the Big XII as a landing spot for teams that bring in sizable revenue.

I don't know either but it's almost like being in the middle of the country gives leftover Pac12 teams a spot to fly east and leftover ACC teams a spot to fly west and keeps either ACC or Pac12 teams from having to fly all the way across the country.
You know what? Just make the Big12 leftovers, Pac12 leftovers and ACC leftovers play all their games in the DFW area every weekend. Have double headers, triple headers, whatever. Make the travel predictable and easy direct flights. Smaller sports can use whatever venues are in that metro area.

 

[Billy Jack]

I don't know either but it's almost like being in the middle of the country gives leftover Pac12 teams a spot to fly east and leftover ACC teams a spot to fly west and keeps either ACC or Pac12 teams from having to fly all the way across the country.
You know what? Just make the Big12 leftovers, Pac12 leftovers and ACC leftovers play all their games in the DFW area every weekend. Have double headers, triple headers, whatever. Make the travel predictable and easy direct flights. Smaller sports can use whatever venues are in that metro area.

Okay. But that assumes that East Coast and West Coast teams never play each other.