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[WestHartHusk]

The other reason I think this is likely the FSU path is because they don’t have the necessary value for the next-tier conferences. Really, who cares about them nationally? They’ve been lapped by so many programs in recent history it is hard to count, combined with the fact that they have no real natural market beyond the panhandle.

 

[Hoophound]

The other reason I think this is likely the FSU path is because they don’t have the necessary value for the next-tier conferences. Really, who cares about them nationally? They’ve been lapped by so many programs in recent history it is hard to count, combined with the fact that they have no real natural market beyond the panhandle.

FSU has a huge following and puts up very strong national ratings. They just need to get back on track. Norvell will win there.

 

[Rufus]

The top ACC schools will eventually join the B1G and SEC. It’s not a question of if, but when.

The only schools not looking to change conferences are schools in the B1G and SEC. All schools in the ACC, Big 12 and PAC 12 would leave for the B1G or SEC in a heartbeat if they could. It’s just a matter of if the B1G or SEC wants them or not.

Florida State, Miami, Clemson, etc. will never sign another GOR with the ACC that’s for sure. ACC’s best hope of survival is simply lasting until 2036 with speculation that schools will leave every year from now until then. That is the absolute best case scenario for the ACC. The schools I just mentioned (and perhaps others) will not be in the ACC by 2037. Think how far behind financially those schools will be if they are forced to remain in the ACC until that time.

 

[Billy Jack]

Where is the University of Syracuse on the list ?

it appears that Syracuse University (which I always thought worked to “F” UConn in SU’s lame attempt to claim to be “NY’s Team”) is not in the best position in this reshuffle.

Syracuse is #60 out of 69.

 

[CL82]

But Notre Dame could shut down all its sports but footballl, much less just have them shut off from television, and if they wanted to go to the Big Ten to play football it wouldn't deter them.

Notre Dame would just keep doing what it does and ESPN with either choose to broadcast its games or it wouldn’t. As you point out, though, the value of a mediate contract is almost exclusively the value of the football games. So Notre Dame would actually be better off in the Big Ten giving up at basketball an Olympic sports rights then station in the ACC. Remember the grant of rights is only a grant of the right to broadcast home games. As far as other teams are concerned, it doesn’t impact them all that much.

 

[WestHartHusk]

FSU has a huge following and puts up very strong national ratings. They just need to get back on track. Norvell will win there.

I believe their attendance has dropped every year for like 20 straight years. That’s a trend. FAU football is a big sell.

 

[Billy Jack]

The other reason I think this is likely the FSU path is because they don’t have the necessary value for the next-tier conferences. Really, who cares about them nationally? They’ve been lapped by so many programs in recent history it is hard to count, combined with the fact that they have no real natural market beyond the panhandle.

No real natural market? They’re the #2 state university in a state of 24 million people. You don’t think that fans from all over Florida watch FSU?

 

[billybud]

No. They never promised to join the ACC. Not joining the ACC isn’t the breach. The breach is joining the Big Ten versus staying football independent.

Jeez....nope...the contract says they would not join another conference other than the ACC (you can call that provision a promise if that suits you)...it is a breach if they do.

I can't believe that you say that..."They never promised to join the ACC"....they most certainly did, if they would join any conference, it had to be the ACC. They signed that contract and that provision is binding. And that provision of the contract is part and parcel of the ACC agreeing to their participation.

 

[dayooper]

Jeez....nope...the contract says they would not join another conference other than the ACC (you can call that provision a promise if that suits you)...it is a breach if they do.

I can't believe that you say that..."They never promised to join the ACC"....they most certainly did, if they would join any conference, it had to be the ACC. They signed that contract and that provision is binding. And that provision of the contract is part and parcel of the ACC agreeing to their participation.

So you have read the contract?

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

Jeez....nope...the contract says they would not join another conference other than the ACC (you can call that provision a promise if that suits you)...it is a breach if they do.

I can't believe that you say that..."They never promised to join the ACC"....they most certainly did, if they would join any conference, it had to be the ACC. They signed that contract and that provision is binding. And that provision of the contract is part and parcel of the ACC agreeing to their participation.

Can you dig out what the termination clause reads?

 

[billybud]

Can you dig out what the termination clause reads?

1...there is no termination clause in the GOR...a straight assignment of rights for a defined period.

2...No one has the ancillary ACC contract with Notre Dame that has the provision that the Irish will join the ACC if they join a conference before 2037 and that they will play 5 games per year with ACC teams (widely reported..but the document is not in the public realm).

Folks have tried to obtain the contract and ESPN contract (two law firms in Florida requested from FSU under FOIA to no avail).

 

[CAtlantic]

 

[dayooper]

1...there is no termination clause in the GOR...a straight assignment of rights for a defined period.

2...No one has the ancillary ACC contract with Notre Dame that has the provision that the Irish will join the ACC if they join a conference before 2037 and that they will play 5 games per year with ACC teams (widely reported..but the document is not in the public realm).

Folks have tried to obtain the contract and ESPN contract (two law firms in Florida requested from FSU under FOIA to no avail).

Then we don’t know what the terms of the agreement are and what the penalty for not joining would be. Just because Jim Swofford said it doesn’t make it so. He, like all heads of organizations and corporations will smooth over any rough spots and only say what’s in the best interest of the group. Without reading and understanding the contract, it’s hard to determine what and what’s not feasible for ND to do.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

2...No one has the ancillary ACC contract with Notre Dame that has the provision that the Irish will join the ACC if they join a conference before 2037 and that they will play 5 games per year with ACC teams (widely reported..but the document is not in the public realm).

Yes, but for some reason you claim to filly know the terms of this agreement.

 

[billybud]

No...no one knows. It could say anything...Even that the Irish could leave by saying "Mother, may I".

But the contract is an attachment to the Notre Dame GOR as an iancillary football contract.

The GOR is fashioned very simply...no provision for exit, no exit fee, no damage provision...just a straight assignment of rights through 2036.

If the ancillary football contract is fashioned in the same way...a simple contracted committment for a period...it would not surprise me.

 

[billybud]

Yes, but for some reason you claim to filly know the terms of this agreement.

Oh yeah...I never claim to know fully the terms of the contract...only that which has been reported by various sources...and as I post...the contract is not in the public realm.

 

[billybud]

Info reported like this example from Slap the Sign...a Notre Dame Site

It all goes back to the ACC deal that Notre Dame has. The deal states that Notre Dame competes in the ACC for most of their sports, like basketball and baseball, while football gets to remain independent. The caveat is that they have to play five ACC teams annually in football. This deal goes through 2036, and during that time period, the only conference Notre Dame can join is the ACC.


or the Sporting News

The Irish are hitched to a pair of television contracts. The deal with NBC runs through 2025 and draws approximately $15 million per year. ESPN's contract with the ACC runs through 2036. That grant of rights deal includes language that if Irish choose to join a conference in football before 2036, they are contractually obligated to join the ACC.

 

[Billy Jack]

The Notre Dame contract with NBC averages $15 million per year, but they actually earning $22 million at this point because of the backloaded nature of the deal.

 

[CAtlantic]

 

[ScottVib]

I mean if anything that demonstrates that the remaining Big XII (post-UT and OU) were not nearly so confident on their remaining value vs. the Pac-12 (admittedly with USC & UCLA); who's TV deal at the time had been criticized for years.. and certainly not as confident as they've been trying to portray.

Both conferences lost their top two media properties. One filled in two open spots with four teams who's top end value (at least measured by conference media deals was $7/season in about 10 years. The other's move is TBD but has the highest valued properties... and is of course more unstable as it has the only properties valued by the top tier conferences.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Sounds like Pittsburgh backstabbing BE.

 

[Waquoit]

Sounds like they have folks knocking pens out of hands out west as well.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

1...there is no termination clause in the GOR...a straight assignment of rights for a defined period.

2...No one has the ancillary ACC contract with Notre Dame that has the provision that the Irish will join the ACC if they join a conference before 2037 and that they will play 5 games per year with ACC teams (widely reported..but the document is not in the public realm).

Folks have tried to obtain the contract and ESPN contract (two law firms in Florida requested from FSU under FOIA to no avail).

1- I wasn't referring to the termination clause in the GOR but rather their conference agreement.

2- exactly my point, so why do you keep carrying on like you know what's in it?

 

[Billy Jack]

1- I wasn't referring to the termination clause in the GOR but rather their conference agreement.

2- exactly my point, so why do you keep carrying on like you know what's in it?

See the thread on the GOR primer. We do know what’s in the Bug XII by-laws to address this situation. It is likely that the ACC has similar language.

 

[UC1995]

I always wondered why 5 games. Finally realized it prevents ND from having a full schedule with someone else. So if they don’t get the 75+ million a year and decide they have to leave to keep up financially they don’t even need to get out of thr GOR.

Since most every one of their rivals will be in B1G or ACC (outside Navy) soon why not sign a scheduling deal with B1G for other 7 games for football and get a second bigger payout until 20whatever. Everything else sport team wise stays the same. This way they keep all the money and can make the move gradually.

I know they want to stay Indy but if the tea leaves read that they have to move on then seems like the best of both worlds.