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DGB said:
If FOX/B1G has a regret in expansion, it's Nebraska, not Rutgers. Rutgers did what it was supposed to do with NYC. Nebraska has been useless.

Market, and share thereof absolutely matters.
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This is how I feel. I really don’t regret Nebraska, but they are just kinda there. I suppose an Iowa fan might feel different, but games against Nebraska are like games against Wisconsin or Iowa for me. Rutgers and Maryland did exactly what they were supposed to do, give the Big10 a presence. Do they do it alone? Hell no! But with the strong alumni base Michigan, OSU, PSU and Indiana have in the NYC and DC areas, they work. Put ND with those and you have a great market presence that no other football conference has. The Big East still is a big presence, but not like a football presence is.
DGB said:
This is also why Miami (city of Miami) and Ga Tech (Atlanta) may be more interesting to FOX/B1G (and therefore more likely to be protected by ESPN in the SEC) than Clemson and FSU. Though, frankly I'd guess none of these schools are that high on the list.


Market, and share thereof absolutely matters.
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I think you are on to something with GT. I believe that the Big10 would add them before Duke and maybe even UVA. The Atlanta market with the Big10 alumni base might work. ND and, to a lesser extent, UNC are the big gets now.
 
Georgia Tech makes sense for the B1G for the following reasons:

1. Atlanta market (plus the entire state is exploding with growth)
2. AAU status
3. A conference presence in the southeast for recruiting purposes (plus the B1G is calling itself a national conference, so you need a presence in the southeast)
4. A school located in the heart of SEC country. Plant that B1G flag in the heart of the south!

The million dollar question or should I say $100 million question - Would Georgia Tech hold its own without decreasing conference payouts to everyone else?
 
DGB said:
Ehh...people outside of SC will watch Clemson when Clemson is good. When they're not they won't. Nebraska is arguably a bigger historical brand than Clemson and nobody outside of the corn fields is watching them right now.

This is why FOX/B1G cared about USC and UCLA. They bring ad buys in the second biggest market in the country.

This is also why Miami (city of Miami) and Ga Tech (Atlanta) may be more interesting to FOX/B1G (and therefore more likely to be protected by ESPN in the SEC) than Clemson and FSU. Though, frankly I'd guess none of these schools are that high on the list.

If FOX/B1G has a regret in expansion, it's Nebraska, not Rutgers. Rutgers did what it was supposed to do with NYC. Nebraska has been useless.

Market, and share thereof absolutely matters.
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I've said this a bunch of times thru the years on the BY.

Nebraska was much more of a lottery winner than Rutgers because there was always going to be a desire to add Rutgers at some point because of their location. In fact the ACC should have added Rutgers (and UConn) when they added Syracuse. They may not be sucking on a significantly under valued TV contract now if Swofford had some foresight

The B1G added Nebraska just before conferences realized that you needed to bring more to the table than just a name. Delaney didn't make many mistakes but, I'd bet in private, he'd admit adding the Huskers was a wasted move for the B1G
 
DGB said:
Ehh...people outside of SC will watch Clemson when Clemson is good. When they're not they won't. Nebraska is arguably a bigger historical brand than Clemson and nobody outside of the corn fields is watching them right now.

This is why FOX/B1G cared about USC and UCLA. They bring ad buys in the second biggest market in the country.

This is also why Miami (city of Miami) and Ga Tech (Atlanta) may be more interesting to FOX/B1G (and therefore more likely to be protected by ESPN in the SEC) than Clemson and FSU. Though, frankly I'd guess none of these schools are that high on the list.

If FOX/B1G has a regret in expansion, it's Nebraska, not Rutgers. Rutgers did what it was supposed to do with NYC. Nebraska has been useless.

Market, and share thereof absolutely matters.
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If market and share thereof mattered, Rutgers would not be in the Big Ten.
 
I don’t think Nebraska was a wasted addition. Too much tradition for their current downward shift to last forever. They are an anchor school when they return to their glory days. Bo Pelini had them winning 9 games a season and was fired because that wasn’t good enough. The Cornhuskers will find their way eventually.

Penn State
Nebraska
Maryland
Rutgers
USC
UCLA

Each of the six had a reason for being added that was centered on benefitting the conference in the next 100 years or more.
 
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DGB said:
Ehh...people outside of SC will watch Clemson when Clemson is good. When they're not they won't. Nebraska is arguably a bigger historical brand than Clemson and nobody outside of the corn fields is watching them right now.

This is why FOX/B1G cared about USC and UCLA. They bring ad buys in the second biggest market in the country.

This is also why Miami (city of Miami) and Ga Tech (Atlanta) may be more interesting to FOX/B1G (and therefore more likely to be protected by ESPN in the SEC) than Clemson and FSU. Though, frankly I'd guess none of these schools are that high on the list.

If FOX/B1G has a regret in expansion, it's Nebraska, not Rutgers. Rutgers did what it was supposed to do with NYC. Nebraska has been useless.

Market, and share thereof absolutely matters.
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Ok, who choose to watches SC? In anything? This is becoming NFL. Brand will matter and Fox or ESPN will feed the Clemson Brand. Like they do Duke, KY and NC in basketball. Brand will become Market share. Like the Steelers and Cowboys. Don't have to get NFL package for those teams. They play national games.
 
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uchusky32 said:
Ok, who choose to watches SC? In anything? This is becoming NFL. Brand will matter and Fox or ESPN will feed the Clemson Brand. Like they do Duke, KY and NC in basketball. Brand will become Market share. Like the Steelers and Cowboys. Don't have to get NFL package for those teams. They play national games.
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But Nebraska was once Clemson. These things are generally cyclical. Miami was iconic when I was a kid. They've been average at best but living off the rep for several decades now.
 
Rufus said:

Not a tweet, but interesting tidbit in this article:

247Sports’ Josh Pate reported on a Monday podcast that “there are conversations happening with folks at Clemson and folks in the Big Ten.”

“Everything that seemed impossible just a few years ago is now a possibility,” an industry source told McMurphy.

Clemson will not comment on the realignment reports, an athletics department spokesman
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huskypantz said:
But Nebraska was once Clemson. These things are generally cyclical. Miami was iconic when I was a kid. They've been average at best but living off the rep for several decades now.
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Nebraska was for quite a bit of time a lot more than what Clemson has been recently.

It never ceases to amaze me how short some memories are. Where was Alabama for the little more a decade and a half leading up to their hiring Saban? There are a handful of places where one quality hire is all it takes to become a near dynasty, regardless of how mediocre the recent track record has been, Nebraska is one of those places.

COVID restrictions aside, they've sold out every home game going back to when JFK was still alive. They made the mistake of bringing in an all style, no substance AD (Pederson, about 17 years ago) who thought it would be a good idea to overhaul the way they did everything. Once they moved on from him, they brought in a head coach who was building the program pretty well but ended up being almost as nutty as Diaco.

It may take another hire or two before they get the right head coach (hell, not quite 25 years ago Bama had to fire their new head coach before he ever coached a game for them because cops found him drunk in a motel room with a stripper) but their tradition and fan base would be sufficient to keep almost any successful coach. Few schools can do that.
 
If the ACC went to an unequal payment model as suggested in that news article (50 mil for elite football teams and 20 mil for lesser teams) I would think they would strongly consider adding UCONN, no doubt we would be worth at least 20 mil to that league.
 
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FfldCntyFan said:
Nebraska was for quite a bit of time a lot more than what Clemson has been recently.

It never ceases to amaze me how short some memories are. Where was Alabama for the little more a decade and a half leading up to their hiring Saban? There are a handful of places where one quality hire is all it takes to become a near dynasty, regardless of how mediocre the recent track record has been, Nebraska is one of those places.

COVID restrictions aside, they've sold out every home game going back to when JFK was still alive. They made the mistake of bringing in an all style, no substance AD (Pederson, about 17 years ago) who thought it would be a good idea to overhaul the way they did everything. Once they moved on from him, they brought in a head coach who was building the program pretty well but ended up being almost as nutty as Diaco.

It may take another hire or two before they get the right head coach (hell, not quite 25 years ago Bama had to fire their new head coach before he ever coached a game for them because cops found him drunk in a motel room with a stripper) but their tradition and fan base would be sufficient to keep almost any successful coach. Few schools can do that.
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If you have watched long enough, you have seen Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, LSU, Auburn, etc ALL be "dumpster fires" at some point. At certain places, if there is commitment, and now money, they're going to win.
 
metsfan2323 said:
If the ACC went to an unequal payment model as suggested in that news article (50 mil for elite football teams and 20 mil for lesser teams) I would think they would strongly consider adding UCONN, no doubt we would be worth at least 20 mil to that league.
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Agreed - I think any sort(s) of change and different pay models have to provide potential opportunities for UConn given our current lack of pull in football but excellent strengths in Olympic sports (both men and women). It would be nice to have to debate the pros and cons of the BE versus any sort of ACC deal.
 
huskypantz said:
But Nebraska was once Clemson. These things are generally cyclical. Miami was iconic when I was a kid. They've been average at best but living off the rep for several decades now.
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Yale was once Alabama, only better. Yale has won 27 college football national championships, including 26 in 38 years between 1872 and 1909.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
Nebraska was for quite a bit of time a lot more than what Clemson has been recently.

It never ceases to amaze me how short some memories are. Where was Alabama for the little more a decade and a half leading up to their hiring Saban? There are a handful of places where one quality hire is all it takes to become a near dynasty, regardless of how mediocre the recent track record has been, Nebraska is one of those places.

COVID restrictions aside, they've sold out every home game going back to when JFK was still alive. They made the mistake of bringing in an all style, no substance AD (Pederson, about 17 years ago) who thought it would be a good idea to overhaul the way they did everything. Once they moved on from him, they brought in a head coach who was building the program pretty well but ended up being almost as nutty as Diaco.

It may take another hire or two before they get the right head coach (hell, not quite 25 years ago Bama had to fire their new head coach before he ever coached a game for them because cops found him drunk in a motel room with a stripper) but their tradition and fan base would be sufficient to keep almost any successful coach. Few schools can do that.
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Nebraska had the best college football team ever and they were an absolute juggernaut in the mid 90's.
 
Rufus said:
I don’t think Nebraska was a wasted addition. Too much tradition for their current downward shift to last forever. They are an anchor school when they return to their glory days. Bo Pelini had them winning 9 games a season and was fired because that wasn’t good enough. The Cornhuskers will find their way eventually.

Penn State
Nebraska
Maryland
Rutgers
USC
UCLA

Each of the six had a reason for being added that was centered on benefitting the conference in the next 100 years or more.
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Why won’t it last? Look at Notre Dame. With all their tradition, they haven’t won a national championship in the last 34 years - and only 1 in the last 45 years. Same with UCLA basketball. No championships in the last 25 years, and only 1 in the last 47 years.

There is no guarantee that Nebraska will ever return to what they were. And the problem is that when they’re not very good, their market is tiny and doesn’t matter.
 
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Billy Jack said:
Why won’t it last? Look at Notre Dame. With all their tradition, they haven’t won a national championship in the last 34 years - and only 1 in the last 45 years. Same with UCLA basketball. No championships in the last 25 years, and only 1 in the last 47 years.

There is no guarantee that Nebraska will ever return to what they were. And the problem is that when they’re not very good, their market is tiny and doesn’t matter.
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Despite lack of championships, Norte Dame and UCLA have 2 of the most valuable brands in college athletics.

Brands >>>> market size.

Which is why your logic on Nebraska is flawed.

Despite going 3-9 last year, they had more TV viewers for their games than Florida, Texas, LSU, Clemson and a number of other top power conference teams.
 
McLovin said:
Despite lack of championships, Norte Dame and UCLA have 2 of the most valuable brands in college athletics.

Brands >>>> market size.

Which is why your logic on Nebraska is flawed.

Despite going 3-9 last year, they had more TV viewers for their games than Florida, Texas, LSU, Clemson and a number of other top power conference teams.
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UCLA maybe. Notre Dame is the blackberry of college sports. The 20 something’s have moved on to apple
 
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McLovin said:
Didn't a bunch of knuckleheads on here just say that Nebraska would be the biggest regret for the BIG?
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The value relates to your match ups and the Huskers are helped by playing in the B1G....if FSU plays in the SEC or B1G...their value climbs...
 
billybud said:
The value relates to your match ups and the Huskers are helped by playing in the B1G....if FSU plays in the SEC or B1G...their value climbs...
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No doubt on FSU.

But people were saying Nebraska is a "big regret", bigger than Rutgers... They play in the BIG West division (way worse match-ups than the BIG East that Rutgers plays in) yet are the 4th more valuable school in the conference, and most valuable in the west division despite being a dumpster fire on the field the past few years. In fact, they are more valuable than MSU who plays Michigan, OSU and Penn State every year.
 
Isn't there a law in Nebraska that if you were born in Nebraska, live in Nebraska, travelled through Nebraska, or eat corn...that you must be a Husker fan.
 
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