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The Viking said:
What would be different if they took UConn?
Clemson would still be kicking ass.
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If the ACC had added UConn in 2014, instead of Louisville...

The conference could have added additional National Champions from UConn:

2014 Field Hockey, 2017 Field Hockey
2015-16 Womens BB, and 2014-15 Women's BB

To the ACC National Champion list since 2014:

2015 Men's Cross Country
2016, 2018 football
2014 Men's soccer
2014 Women's soccer
2015, 2017 Men's basketball
2018 Women's basketball
2015 Baseball
2014 Women's Golf
2014, 2016 Men's Lacrosse
2014, 2016 Women's Lacrosse
2018 Softball
2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 Men's Tennis

What has been, in reality, a great over all sports conference has been judged almost entirely by success in two sports...football and men's basketball...weighted more by football.

And you get what you reward.
 


There are two CR questions tucked in the SM mailbag (one @ the beginning and one near the end...

>Hey Stewart: How far are we from another round of major conference realignment and what could it look like?

If there’s another big round of shuffling, it will likely come somewhere in the 2023-26 range. Several major TV contracts will come up for bid in short succession, starting with the Big Ten (2023), followed by the Pac-12 (2024), Big 12 (2025) and, perhaps most significantly, the College Football Playoff (2025). Don’t think it’s a coincidence that the Big Ten opted for shorter-than-usual six-year deals with ESPN and FOX in its last round of negotiations. Or that the Pac-12 recently turned down a tempting offer from ESPN to take over distribution for the long-struggling Pac-12 Networks that would have locked in its Tier 1 rights “well into the 2030s.” <<

The other:

>>San Diego State and Boise State were headed to the Big East at one point several years ago, then opted out to stick around in the Mountain West. If the offer came up again — this time to join the AAC — would the money be too hard to resist, even given the brutal travel? It seems like that league’s schedule is the best chance a Group of 5 team has to make the Playoff should they go undefeated.?

But there’s one big difference between 2012 and now. Back then, the Big East had BCS auto-qualifying status and expected to stay that way up until the BCS went away. The Big East had recently turned down a new ESPN deal that was worth more back then ($11 million per school) than the one the AAC just signed because it thought it could do even better (whoops). At the time, the two Western schools were prepared to buck geography because getting into an AQ conference seemed as essential then as Power 5 affiliation does now.

Without that carrot, I don’t see why either party would try to force that marriage again over a couple million dollars. Playoff contention will continue to be near-impossible from either G5 league, but getting that New Year’s Six berth as a Mountain West school is perfectly attainable.<<
 
Here's the thing about that last comment...
If the playoffs expand and the G5 get a slot, it is essentially a guarantee for the AAC, especially with Boise and BYU.

Does that not open the door for the AAC to reach out to Boise and BYU?

If that's the status quo moving forward, this league now with Boise and BYU and a 90% guarantee to get to the playoffs by winning the conference title every year, I'm pretty pumped. That would certainly boost recruiting...
 
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uconnyankee said:
Here's the thing about that last comment...
If the playoffs expand and the G5 get a slot, it is essentially a guarantee for the AAC, especially with Boise and BYU.

Does that not open the door for the AAC to reach out to Boise and BYU?

If that's the status quo moving forward, this league now with Boise and BYU and a 90% guarantee to get to the playoffs by winning the conference title every year, I'm pretty pumped. That would certainly boost recruiting...
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Um .
In which conference would Boise have a better shot at going undefeated — the MW or the AAC?
 
vowelguy said:
Um .
In which conference would Boise have a better shot at going undefeated — the MW or the AAC?
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Hard to say. Utah State has the best QB in college football in Jordan Love (including Tua) and Boise plays them on the road. Not sure if any AAC team will be as good as the Aggies will be.
 
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uconnbaseball said:
Hard to say. Utah State has the best QB in college football in Jordan Love (including Tua) and Boise plays them on the road. Not sure if any AAC team will be as good as the Aggies will be.
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The argument seemed to be that Boise would want to join the AAC bc it's stronger. Why on earth would they do that?
 
vowelguy said:
Um .
In which conference would Boise have a better shot at going undefeated — the MW or the AAC?
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Um... You're premise that Boise joined the MW for competition is simply wrong. It joined for $'s.
It's always about money.
An AAC with Boise and BYU is far and away the 6th and maybe the 5th best league. With essentially an auto bid 9 out of 10 years, what differentiates that revised AAC with the weakest P5 league? Not much.
Is it much of a stretch to think such a conference would command more $'s if it existed?

That was my point.
 
uconnyankee said:
An AAC with Boise and BYU is far and away the 6th and maybe the 5th best league. With essentially an auto bid 9 out of 10 years,
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Again: a strong G5 conference will likely lead to conference losses. An undefeated Boise team, even from a weaker conference, would probably get chosen over a 1-loss AAC team. So what exactly is the incentive for them to leave the MW?
 
vowelguy said:
Again: a strong G5 conference will likely lead to conference losses. An undefeated Boise team, even from a weaker conference, would probably get chosen over a 1-loss AAC team. So what exactly is the incentive for them to leave the MW?
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Money.

Have you been paying any attention to anything that's gone on so far?

This is about money, not wins.
 
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vowelguy said:
Again: a strong G5 conference will likely lead to conference losses. An undefeated Boise team, even from a weaker conference, would probably get chosen over a 1-loss AAC team. So what exactly is the incentive for them to leave the MW?
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It was my premise that an AAC with Boise and BYU would lead to more money because a leage with those two plus Houston, Memphis, Cincy, and UCF would get in the national conversation and maybe get several teams in the Top 25 and even 1 in Top 10. It would also have more 'meaningful' games which is what Networks want to pay for.

EVERY single move so far in college football has been about money and getting more of it today, tomorrow, and as far into the future as possible. I am not aware of a single move where the school put as the top priority, a chance to go undefeated. If that were the case UofL would not have gone to ACC, Maryland and Rutgers would not have gone to Big and W Virginia would still be in the ACC.

If everything else held, sure, why would Boise move? But that's not my point.

So, to answer your question, even though you continue to ignore my point, The EXACT INCENTIVE for Boise would be the following:

a. More Money
b. More Money
c. More Money
d. More Money
e. Better Conference
 
Yes it's about money.
But your initial argument seemed to be "the AAC is getting pretty good. Boise & BYU will want to join."

You left out your presumption that the AAC is bound for significantly more money such that Boise will want to move. That's debateable.
 
vowelguy said:
Yes it's about money.
But your initial argument seemed to be "the AAC is getting pretty good. Boise & BYU will want to join."

You left out your presumption that the AAC is bound for significantly more money such that Boise will want to move. That's debateable.
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Exactly. The cartel will not allow it
 
The only way to crack the code is for the Big 12 to expand in complete secrecy, destroy the AAC in the middle of the night and then negotiate with ESPN. Now that they signed a deal, that may not be feasible.

ESPN will not be encouraging expansion anymore. They have the AAC doing very well for peanuts, they’ve devalued the Big 12 and they have OU and UT right where they want them. The Big 12 presidents really blew it a couple of years ago.
 
Hoophound said:
The only way to crack the code is for the Big 12 to expand in complete secrecy, destroy the AAC in the middle of the night and then negotiate with ESPN. Now that they signed a deal, that may not be feasible.

ESPN will not be encouraging expansion anymore. They have the AAC doing very well for peanuts, they’ve devalued the Big 12 and they have OU and UT right where they want them. The Big 12 presidents really blew it a couple of years ago.
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Agreed with all of this, except Texas. ESPN is overpaying them until 2031, unless something goes completely insane.

OU may very well end up being the linchpin for the next round of CR - 2022 will be a turning point, given the probable end of their T3 arrangement outside the B12.
 
pepband99 said:
Agreed with all of this, except Texas. ESPN is overpaying them until 2031, unless something goes completely insane.

OU may very well end up being the linchpin for the next round of CR - 2022 will be a turning point, given the probable end of their T3 arrangement outside the B12.
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Send this post to Edsall & Benedict. They need the schedule for getting the football team respectable again.
(Yes, I know it's about money, but a winning football program wouldn't hurt.)
 
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It's been a topic on and off these days. And coming from a Nebraska perspective I thought was noteworthy.

This looks more key, though:

 
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The new deal will have CBS Sports picking up 20 regular-season games each year, with at least two for each of the 10 schools. Up to four games annually will air on CBS’ broadcast network, with the remainder on CBS Sports Network. In the CBS release, officials from the network and the conference emphasized the continuation of their long-running partnership (which dates back to the old Big East):
 
Would you rather have your games on FS2 or CBSSN? That's what this amounts to.

Personally, I'd rather my games be on FS2 if only because they are more accessible for streaming. CBS remains the most restrictive network when it comes to content.
 
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