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Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

Not a tweet but a interview with ISU AD (Got off of landthieves)

Off the record (podcast) w/ CW: Jamie Pollard – CycloneFanatic.com

SU AD says he's not sure the Big 12 will expand nor won't expand. Also says that ISU is a NO on expansion without an extension of the GOR. Viability of Big 12 ties into the Big 12 GOR. Says you have to extend the GOR if you want to be viable. Says new TV could force the extension of the GOR or expansion or both. Ultimately he says that the Big 12 won't extend the GOR unless the institution or TV deal is unanimous among the institutions. His only stipulation is that a new member must compel everyone to extend the GOR, if they can't ISU won't vote for them into the Big 12.

13 minutes into the conversation.
 
nd73 said:
Not a tweet but a interview with ISU AD (Got off of landthieves)

Off the record (podcast) w/ CW: Jamie Pollard – CycloneFanatic.com

ISU AD says he's not sure the Big 12 will expand nor won't expand. Also says that ISU is a NO on expansion without an extension of the GOR. Viability of Big 12 ties into the Big 12 GOR. Says you have to extend the GOR if you want to be viable. Says new TV could force the extension of the GOR or expansion or both. Ultimately he says that the Big 12 won't extend the GOR unless the institution or TV deal is unanimous among the institutions. His only stipulation is that a new member must compel everyone to extend the GOR, if they can't ISU won't vote for them into the Big 12.

13 minutes into the conversation.
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Well that's no good.
 
auror said:
Well that's no good.
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That message was for his fanbase and coaches in response to rumors that the Big 12 was done in 9 years.

If they are announcing before September 1, then they already have the schools picked and are just working out the legal.
 
Jae-VT said:
Hello, first time poster, long time lurker/reader of this fan site. I come in peace.

With all due respect, would any P5 conference really want to expand to 16 teams? I read about the 16 team super conference on many sites and it seems to be a given, but it doesn't seem feasible anymore given the current NCAA rule in place that govern how FBS conferences with 12 teams or greater must determine the participants of a conference championship game (CCG). Two divisions with round robin play within each division, the winners of each division meetin in the CCG. The regular football season is comprised of only 12 games and I do not see conferences eliminating cross-divisional games from their conference schedule. Besides, at that point the 16 team conference would seem more like two 8 team conferences with a scheduling agreement. Then there id the issue of how the current divisions are aligned/comprised. In each of the ACC, B1G and SEC, there is a heavy weight division that most conference schools would like to be a part of or play against for recruiting purposes. In order to change the current NCAA rule for a CCG, a majority of FBS conferences would have to approve. Only time I see that happening is when a majority of P5 conferences have more than 14 teams.

So I ask, is it reasonable to expect conferences to go beyond 14 teams in the near future; say 2024/2025?
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I think so, yes... Because here's why- its going to happen evenually anyway. In the end there's going to be nationwide "super conferences" with at least 16 in each. If your Bowbsby and the Big XII why not just secure your fate now and get it done? Especially if that means you can keep Texas and OU/Oklahoma St. in the conference and happy as the "big dogs"?
 
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nd73 said:
SU AD says he's not sure the Big 12 will expand nor won't expand. Also says that ISU is a NO on expansion without an extension of the GOR. Viability of Big 12 ties into the Big 12 GOR. Says you have to extend the GOR if you want to be viable. Says new TV could force the extension of the GOR or expansion or both. Ultimately he says that the Big 12 won't extend the GOR unless the institution or TV deal is unanimous among the institutions. His only stipulation is that a new member must compel everyone to extend the GOR, if they can't ISU won't vote for them into the Big 12.

13 minutes into the conversation.
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I found this fascinating.

It is a power play by a school with no power. And, apparently, no clue.

You can't expand the GOR past the term of the television contract.
 
Fishy said:
I found this fascinating.

It is a power play by a school with no power. And, apparently, no clue.

You can't expand the GOR past the term of the television contract.
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I've been telling anyone who will listen that these presidents know very little about sports and whatever is going on. I've talked to enough of them (well, 3) about athletic departments to know that.

My feeling that there are two or three people on the Boards who are heavy into sports, and they collude (or collide) with the AD on these matters.That doesn't mean every president is clueless (see Boren) but most of these people see sports as a big hindrance to their important duties.
 
upstater said:
I've been telling anyone who will listen that these presidents know very little about sports and whatever is going on. I've talked to enough of them (well, 3) about athletic departments to know that.
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This is worse...he's the athletic director.

But I agree with you.
 
nd73 said:
Not a tweet but a interview with ISU AD (Got off of landthieves)

Off the record (podcast) w/ CW: Jamie Pollard – CycloneFanatic.com

SU AD says he's not sure the Big 12 will expand nor won't expand. Also says that ISU is a NO on expansion without an extension of the GOR. Viability of Big 12 ties into the Big 12 GOR. Says you have to extend the GOR if you want to be viable. Says new TV could force the extension of the GOR or expansion or both. Ultimately he says that the Big 12 won't extend the GOR unless the institution or TV deal is unanimous among the institutions. His only stipulation is that a new member must compel everyone to extend the GOR, if they can't ISU won't vote for them into the Big 12.

13 minutes into the conversation.
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This is why AD's don't get to vote.
 
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And Blauds dropped this nugget as well:

"Word has it that the calls will go out in the next few days to the chosen schools and then the process will move forward."
 
Just heard some guy on SiruisXM College Sports call in and make his case for a 6 school Big 12 expansion. Hahaha... The guy wanted Tulsa, Central Michigan, NIU, Cincy, BYU, and Tulane in... I'm like "well now I've heard them all!" lol
 
auror said:
Well that's no good.
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CardiffGiant said:
And Blauds dropped this nugget as well:

"Word has it that the calls will go out in the next few days to the chosen schools and then the process will move forward."
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Yeah, so thats basically like - "welcome to the club - lets talk about $$"
 
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Generally Blauds isn't dead wrong on specific info, he's well plugged in. If he's posting that's what the plan is as of now, we should assume that's what the plan is as of now.
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
Generally Blauds isn't dead wrong on specific info, he's well plugged in. If he's posting that's what the plan is as of now, we should assume that's what the plan is as of now.
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Blauds said:

Word has it that the calls will go out in the next few days to the chosen schools and then the process will move forward.
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FWIW, I have a friend that is a booster at one of the other prospective new additions. They are expecting to hear early next week.

Have a good weekend everybody!!!!
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
Generally Blauds isn't dead wrong on specific info, he's well plugged in. If he's posting that's what the plan is as of now, we should assume that's what the plan is as of now.
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Makes me wonder why he would write a case for Uconn as a good candidate for expansion now unless he knows that the Big 12 is on the fence about giving Uconn an invite. The title of the article could be renamed "Uconn-what the hell are you waiting for?"
 
Fishy said:
I found this fascinating.

It is a power play by a school with no power. And, apparently, no clue.

You can't expand the GOR past the term of the television contract.
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Yeah, considering it was someone semi-involved in the process (I assume ADs give a ton of advice/insight to President's, as people mentioned President's aren't sports people), it's one of the more plugged in public statements we've seen. But the fact that it's got incorrect info, assuages my tension a bit. I doubt he'd make a public statement contradictory to the position of the university, though, so either they're posturing, trying to move public opinion, or just clueless. Considering their goal (expanding the GOR) isn't feasible without a new deal or network, I'm not sure what they wanted to accomplish.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
Blauds said:



FWIW, I have a friend that is a booster at one of the other prospective new additions. They are expecting to hear early next week.

Have a good weekend everybody!!!!
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In the words of Gordon Gekko, "stop giving us information, and start getting us some!" What are our boosters saying?
 
auror said:
Yeah, considering it was someone semi-involved in the process (I assume ADs give a ton of advice/insight to President's, as people mentioned President's aren't sports people), it's one of the more plugged in public statements we've seen. But the fact that it's got incorrect info, assuages my tension a bit. I doubt he'd make a public statement contradictory to the position of the university, though, so either they're posturing, trying to move public opinion, or just clueless. Considering their goal (expanding the GOR) isn't feasible without a new deal or network, I'm not sure what they wanted to accomplish.
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It's a really odd statement to make given that the intended audience - their fellow B12 members - will know that he doesn't have any bullets in his gun and that the grant of rights can't be extended!

It's almost like announcing that you're the dumbest guy in the room.
 
SonsOfNutmeg said:
The notice from the Big 12 comes out on Tuesday afternoon right as the American Athletic Conference Media Day finishes up... lol
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This is like the movie Saw - get them all in a room and then play god.
 
djct1999 said:
In the words of Gordon Gekko, "stop giving us information, and start getting us some!" What are our boosters saying?
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He is important enough that the AD of the school will answer an email, text or phone call within a few days, but not important enough where the AD will tell him anything major that is non-public. I have gotten some scraps of interesting information from him in the past, but nothing earth shattering.

He just said schools should know early next week, and didn't tell me if he had gotten that directly from the AD or from another booster. It is also the Big 12, and the Texas AD could be constipated on Monday and all bets are off.
 
Fishy said:
It's a really odd statement to make given that the intended audience - their fellow B12 members - will know that he doesn't have any bullets in his gun and that the grant of rights can't be extended!

It's almost like announcing that you're the dumbest guy in the room.
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As I read some of his comments, I think his message was garbled. I think he is saying they are going to negotiate with their media partners to extend the contract. That's part of the GOR extension.

Of course, that's crazy. ESPN wasn't willing to give them a huge bump a month ago, but now they will after they've added the new schools?
 
It's laughable that Iowa State expects us to believe they'd rather stay a 10-team conference making the same amount of money than get a big bump in revenue by adding four teams, just because it means they can't improve the long-term viability of the league -- which they wouldn't be doing anyhow.
 
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