Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[JohnFSilver]

Updated article this morning on where things are at.

Goes into the pros and cons about taking UConn, the risk of taking football down the road, but has an interesting tidbit in the end.

“Convincing a dozen members to brush aside those arguments and go along seems like uphill work. But Yormark has built his share of goodwill, which could be enough to sway some of those on the fence.”

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5732442/2024/08/30/big-12-uconn-naming-rights/

Rant: I absolutely hate when The Athletic says, as first reported….

You are the NYTimes. No one gives a crap. Show some class and report the news. Don’t give yourself a pat on the back.

Second off, Locked On podcast was first.

 

[Urcea]

900 pages. Hopefully nearing the end of this saga.

And nary a key tweet to be seen!

 

[jostar1]

And nary a key tweet to be seen!

You mean THE key tweet!

 

[bendm]

Weird at the end about the prediction that the Big 12 will only get 1 bid to this year's CFP. How many bids do experts think the Big 12 and SEC will get?

weird? There are currently no would be at large teams ranked inside the top 12 that aren’t in either the BIG or SEC besides ND. they are getting all 7 at large bids most years

 

[ScottBonz]

Sure, if someone wants to commit to reading 22,500+ posts of conference realignment awesomeness.

For those of us who have read everyone of those posts, you have to wonder what we could've done with that time if it was spent otherwise. Cure for cancer? World peace? Who can say?

Feed it into llamma and we can have our own kick in the nuts gpt

 

[StllH8L8ner]

Sure, if someone wants to commit to reading 22,500+ posts of conference realignment awesomeness.

For those of us who have read everyone of those posts, you have to wonder what we could've done with that time if it was spent otherwise. Cure for cancer? World peace? Who can say?

This has to be a record for the number of threads on the same subject (Big XII news). I can’t keep up…

 

[CL82]

This has to be a record for the number of threads on the same subject (Big XII news). I can’t keep up…

"Casual"

 

[ZooCougar]

 

[nelsonmuntz]

weird? There are currently no would be at large teams ranked inside the top 12 that aren’t in either the BIG or SEC besides ND. they are getting all 7 at large bids most years

So you are saying it is already a P2. Then what are we doing? Do we think it is going to be better by 2031?

 

[bendm]

So you are saying it is already a P2. Then what are we doing? Do we think it is going to be better by 2031?

You act like you alone have these ground breaking epiphanies but everyone realizes it’s already a P2 for football. It won’t get any better but the big12 is still guaranteed a top 4 seed in the cfp as well as access to the other dozens of bowl games and it’s the best P4 bball conference. Most importantly we need the tv revenue of being in an P4 conference. are you saying That it’s all for not unless we get into the BIG or SEC? If so then we might as well just shut down the athletic dept right now.

 

[Jbirdp5]

Agree. Matt Norlander estimated it to be $10-$11million.

Would 10-11 million be enough money to make the move? For the next 7 years we’d have increased travel costs for all sports and then being increasing the spending for football by a large amount to hit the thresholds they want. If something were to go wrong on the way to full membership the numbers could be way worse for the AD than they are now.

 

[bendm]

Would 10-11 million be enough money to make the move? For the next 7 years we’d have increased travel costs for all sports and then being increasing the spending for football by a large amount to hit the thresholds they want. If something were to go wrong on the way to full membership the numbers could be way worse for the AD than they are now.

it could get worse but this is the only chance at long term viability. if we make the investments and end up screwed then we'll have to drop football once and for all plus all the title ix women's teams. focus every remaining resource on bball.

UConn men made over 10 million in revenue last year. if we could use that to pay players and the school covers all costs of running the program then im not worried.

 

[UConn Dan]

You mean THE key tweet!

We’ve been so close, yet so far away. Cue up Lucy football

 

[FfldCntyFan]

So you are saying it is already a P2. Then what are we doing? Do we think it is going to be better by 2031?

I'm fully aware that you already know the answer but for some reason you get some thrill out of playing the contrarian.

I will use the English Football League to describe where the landscape is extremely close to having evolved to:

EPL (top tier) - B1G; SEC
EFL Championship (second tier) - B-12; ACC
EFL League One (third tier) - Big East; perhaps no other conference
EFL League Two (fourth tier) - the better four or five of the remaining conferences
EFL National League (fifth tier) - the next three or four remaining conferences (conferences that doesn't currently worry about their one bid playing in a first four game but doesn't expect a seed better than 12 or 13).
EFL Regional Leagues (sixth tier) whoever is left (they may soon need to worry if their one bid will no longer be guaranteed).

We are looking in to the possibility of joining the B-12 because we do want to survive well beyond the next ten plus years.

 

[ZooCougar]

I'm fully aware that you already know the answer but for some reason you get some thrill out of playing the contrarian.

I will use the English Football League to describe where the landscape is extremely close to having evolved to:

EPL (top tier) - B1G; SEC
EFL Championship (second tier) - B-12; ACC
EFL League One (third tier) - Big East; perhaps no other conference
EFL League Two (fourth tier) - the better four or five of the remaining conferences
EFL National League (fifth tier) - the next three or four remaining conferences (conferences that doesn't currently worry about their one bid playing in a first four game but doesn't expect a seed better than 12 or 13).
EFL Regional Leagues (sixth tier) whoever is left (they may soon need to worry if their one bid will no longer be guaranteed).

We are looking in to the possibility of joining the B-12 because we do want to survive well beyond the next ten plus years.

The Top 4 are relatively even tier wise. They have auto qualifiers into the CFP.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

The Top 4 are relatively even tier wise. They have auto qualifiers into the CFP.

Coug,

Using that logic, one could claim that the best G level conference isn't far behind as the highest ranked group of five conference champion will also receive an auto bid.

The reality is that there is a large stratification between the B1G/SEC and the B-12/ACC and it will grow. It will be rare if in any season the B1G/SEC won't combine for six or seven participants in the CFP and it will be equally rare if in any season the B-12/ACC combine for more than three.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Coug,

Using that logic, one could claim that the best G level conference isn't far behind as the highest ranked group of five conference champion will also receive an auto bid.

The reality is that there is a large stratification between the B1G/SEC and the B-12/ACC and it will grow. It will be rare if in any season the B1G/SEC won't combine for six or seven participants in the CFP and it will be equally rare if in any season the B-12/ACC combine for more than three.

The gap between EPL and The Championship is much bigger than the gap between SEC/B1G and Big XII/ACC. The gap between Man City and the bottom half of the EPL is still bigger than the gap we're talking about.

It's more like saying B1G is EPL. SEC is La Liga. ACC is Bundesliga and Big XII is Serie A. Teams from any of those can win a Euro championship. The Pac was French Ligue 1 before it broke apart. MWC is maybe Eredivisie and American Conf is Liga Portugal. The Big East would be MLS because we aren't even eligible (not playing football).

 

[Hondo 77]

Wondering if the following scenario has been pursued (or will be pursued): to maintain the Big East with UConn staying, Fox offers UConn a sizeable football tv deal that is conditioned on UConn remaining in the Big East for basketball?

 

[Hondo 77]

Am I misinterpreting this or is he trying to state that having a presence in the most significant media market on the planet would be a bad thing?

UConn is not in the NYC DMA

 

[Sea Goat]

But it is completely misinformed. Even if you only care about the Basketball Program (which is idiotic, but that is a separate issue), then you have to make the move to the B12. You can be disappointed that it has gotten to the point it has, that is fine. But saying "we don't need to make the change because we are have proven we can be successful in the Big East" is ignorant to what is going to happen to College Athletics in the next 5 years.

It is akin to the Blockbuster BOD laughing Netflix out to the boardroom in the year 2000 when they could have bought them for $50MM. Blockbuster laughed them out of the room as they thought "we own 90% of the movie rental business and own the industry. We don't need the online capabilities of Netflix as we can just dominate them out of the market". We all know how that turned out.

The entire landscape of college athletics is going change in over the next 5 years. If we do not make this B12 move now, then we will become irrelevant as an Athletic Department in 15 years. While we may not be excited that we have gotten tot his point, it is the reality and we must adjust or die. Let's not be arrogant and end up like Blockbuster!

Like so many aspects of our real life experiences,
Murphy is uninformed about the financial realities of college sports

If you look at the number of games last year that we lost by one or two scores, you can see how close we were to being right around 500 again. I am very hopeful that we can make a statement of sorts this season. Not confident, mind you, because there are so many unknowns, but hopeful.

Not to mention the BS call in game one vs NCST. We were right there and some officious bastard ref whistles us for a celebration foul? I saw far worse all season that went uncalled.. That was a terrible call that led to a late meltdown in our first game. Tough to come back from that!

 

[superjohn]

Like so many aspects of our real life experiences,
Murphy is uninformed about the financial realities of college sports

Then he should shut the hell up about revenue sharing for college athletes and how UConn needs to stay in the Big East.

 

[JMick]

Then he should shut the hell up about revenue sharing for college athletes and how UConn needs to stay in the Big East.

His tweet was so dumb it makes me wonder if one of his donors is a UConn basketball donor that wants to stay in the Big East and asked him to make a public statement about it

 

[gsmooth]

Like so many aspects of our real life experiences,
Murphy is uninformed about the financial realities of college sports

Not to mention the BS call in game one vs NCST. We were right there and some officious bastard ref whistles us for a celebration foul? I saw far worse all season that went uncalled.. That was a terrible call that led to a late meltdown in our first game. Tough to come back from that!

The worst was Jackson Mitchell's "targeting" ejection in the game against Duke. It was clean tackle and if one would say that it was targeting, it certainly did not warrant ejection.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

UConn is not in the NYC DMA

An exceptionally large part of the state of Connecticut is.

 

[AllHusky]

Like so many aspects of our real life experiences,
Murphy is uninformed about the financial realities of college sports

Not to mention the BS call in game one vs NCST. We were right there and some officious bastard ref whistles us for a celebration foul? I saw far worse all season that went uncalled.. That was a terrible call that led to a late meltdown in our first game. Tough to come back from that!

Three critical plays/calls that could have turned the season had they went our way. Loss of starting QB game 1 2 years running, One poster said we should be able to find another Marcus Campbell, Dan Orlovsky, Scott Lutrus etc

The examples of calls/plays, catastrophic injuries and the recruits show there is an element of luck necessary if you can’t overwhelm the opposition with resources. I’m confident in our talent level and coaching being good enough, I’d really like to have Lady Luck ride with us this year.

Maybe Yormark would be able to gather the B12 decision makers and say, see, I told you! Let’s take a vote.