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JMick said:
They basically have to go somewhere now. They can't do all this stuff and then stay in the ACC. Though it would be very funny if the B1G and SEC said thanks but no thanks and all of this was basically for nothing
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I think still the scenario where both the B1G and SEC pass on these two is on the table. Not sure how much table it has, but it seems possible to me that they have been wishcasting themselves to the P2, particularly Clemson. Both conference have to have tv partners willing to pay way up...again....without a chance to digest the last expansion.

That said, I don't see Clemson and UConn to the B12 as a crazy outcome (Yormark gets his NE BB and everyone else gets their elevated football) and Florida St to the B1G (because their economic fire power is inline with the B1G schools) to for an odd, but probably temporary 19 team conf as out of the realm either.

All the balls remain in the air.
 
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There’s also no reason they can’t go to the Big 12 as a two year stop gap to going to the B1G or SEC if the B1G and/or SEC aren’t willing to take on the legal risk of adding them to the league straight from the ACC
 
ZooCougar said:
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Drew said:
There’s also no reason they can’t go to the Big 12 as a two year stop gap to going to the B1G or SEC if the B1G and/or SEC aren’t willing to take on the legal risk of adding them to the league straight from the ACC
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The Big 12 has a GOR. Clemson could end up right back where they are now, trying to break a GOR.
 
jostar1 said:
The Big 12 has a GOR. Clemson could end up right back where they are now, trying to break a GOR.
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Pretty sure FSU and Clemson have the leverage to not sign that. Utah didn’t sign it either.
 
jostar1 said:
The Big 12 has a GOR. Clemson could end up right back where they are now, trying to break a GOR.
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Ha- GORs! Those are about to become obsolete when they bind you beyond your nose. Everyone hates discovery- particularly your publicly traded media conglomerates.

Btw- not looking to dance on your post- just saying!
 
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Say Clemson and FSU are shunned by the P2. I was thinking about a best of the rest. Obviously this won't happen, but just for ha-ha's, I wonder what something like this version of the Big 12 would be worth. And the ACC would have some openings

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Kolumbo said:
Say Clemson and FSU are shunned by the P2. I was thinking about a best of the rest. Obviously this won't happen, but just for ha-ha's, I wonder what something like this version of the Big 12 would be worth. And the ACC would have some openings

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Why would BIG 12 teams leave to join a weakened ACC conference?
 
I don't doubt Florida State would get interest from the Big Ten, in fact, other than Notre Dame, I'd assume Florida State & UNC are the one, two picks of the Big Ten (or SEC for that matter); and probably the only two schools who may come close to bringing in enough revenue to pay for their addition.

I don't think Clemson's attraction to either conference in nearly what Florida State's is and each year that they are remain in the good, not great range (as they were last year and much of the pre-Dabo era) they only become less attractive. Essentially Clemson needs to get out now (which is why I think they filed the lawsuit rather than let Florida State spend the money to find out what the cost will be and follow that path), because there is a real risk they could be left out of the top two if they aren't one of the first to leave.
 
ZooCougar said:
That was a few years ago.

Things have changed.
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Yeah, that was so many years ago.

Please refresh my memory, when exactly was BYU' first game as a member of the B-12?
 
If Clemson and FSU are Big 12 bound, all of this makes no sense.
An ACC as currently comprised, plus scheduling agreement with ND would be superior to Big 12.

Plus, this whole thing is based on getting to equality with other P2 programs. So why would they join a league that Tx and Ok just left?
 
FSU and Clemson I think are not leaving to the Big 12, that would make no sense on their part, they'd be jumping ship to a conference that is on par with the ACC, even in revenue.
 
uconnyankee said:
If Clemson and FSU are Big 12 bound, all of this makes no sense.
An ACC as currently comprised, plus scheduling agreement with ND would be superior to Big 12.

Plus, this whole thing is based on getting to equality with other P2 programs. So why would they join a league that Tx and Ok just left?
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True, and after 20+ years of Uconn getting screwed I try not to play this CR guessing game anymore. I don't believe the Uconn/Big 12 stuff anymore than the last time( Uconn as a ploy ?), but maybe as an ACC backfill if this was true, FWIW,

 
The Big 12 tv deal doesn’t start until 2025-26 so could also be re-negotiated to a higher payout assuming Clemson and FSU join

People acting like it makes no sense I think are missing the bigger picture.. Big 12 as an intermediary step for Clemson and FSU to getting to the B1G/SEC makes sense for a ton of reasons. If the current option is really to stay until 2036 in the ACC, even moving to the B12 until the B1G/SEC media deals expire again at the end of the decade increases their path by 6 years into one of those leagues.

From a Big 12 perspective, getting Clemson and FSU ensures they’re the “other” power conference and probably is enough to buy them time to be migrated into whatever break off the B1G and SEC have planned. And from the B1G/SEC perspective, they don’t have to worry about being caught up in a huge legal battle with the ACC to get these two teams if and when they finally decide they want them.

I’m not saying it’s going to happen or should happen or any of that, but there’s reasons outside of just short term tv revenues to do so. In a world where Cal and Stanford are in the ACC, TCU, Boise State and San Diego State signed up to play in the Big East, etc, it’s not insane to think Clemson and FSU would spend ~3-5 years in the B12 as a stop gap given the current situation and interests for all parties involved.
 
Blades said:
True, and after 20+ years of Uconn getting screwed I try not to play this CR guessing game anymore. I don't believe the Uconn/Big 12 stuff anymore than the last time( Uconn as a ploy ?), but maybe as an ACC backfill if this was true, FWIW,

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Why was he so reluctant to do this for Texas and Oklahoma?
 
Drew said:
The Big 12 tv deal doesn’t start until 2025-26 so could also be re-negotiated to a higher payout assuming Clemson and FSU join

People acting like it makes no sense I think are missing the bigger picture.. Big 12 as an intermediary step for Clemson and FSU to getting to the B1G/SEC makes sense for a ton of reasons. If the current option is really to stay until 2036 in the ACC, even moving to the B12 until the B1G/SEC media deals expire again at the end of the decade increases their path by 6 years into one of those leagues.

From a Big 12 perspective, getting Clemson and FSU ensures they’re the “other” power conference and probably is enough to buy them time to be migrated into whatever break off the B1G and SEC have planned. And from the B1G/SEC perspective, they don’t have to worry about being caught up in a huge legal battle with the ACC to get these two teams if and when they finally decide they want them.

I’m not saying it’s going to happen or should happen or any of that, but there’s reasons outside of just short term tv revenues to do so. In a world where Cal and Stanford are in the ACC, TCU, Boise State and San Diego State signed up to play in the Big East, etc, it’s not insane to think Clemson and FSU would spend ~3-5 years in the B12 as a stop gap given the current situation and interests for all parties involved.
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Do the math. It's not going to work when you have payouts to the ACC. No matter the higher payout in the B12. And the B12 would encumber them on the backend.

Especially now that the B12 has a zillion members in it.

Why would Colorado or Arizona or Utah agree to their buy-in while Clemson is given heaps of money more? And Clemson isn't going to sign a GOR or have huge exit fees?

None of that makes any sense.
 
Blades said:
True, and after 20+ years of Uconn getting screwed I try not to play this CR guessing game anymore. I don't believe the Uconn/Big 12 stuff anymore than the last time( Uconn as a ploy ?), but maybe as an ACC backfill if this was true, FWIW,

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