Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[Hoophound]

This article shows two things

1. Most of the realignment has been all about the right place at the right time. Louisville, BC, Cuse and Pitt peaked at the absolute right times while UConn hit one of its biggest obstacles at the wrong time.

2. The author is clearly basketball-focused and fails to understand that football drives the bus. How people don't get that by now is beyond me. Southern footballs schools drive the ACC bus until they decide to run it off the cliff.

We might get an ACC invite once it has been picked by the vultures. Unless football is still valued greater then look for Memphis, Tulane and USF to take priority. Academics do not matter ... only football.. see Ville.

The ACC pretending basketball doesn’t matter isn’t a great idea when the B12, the only conference they are really competing with, values it tremendously.

 

[CL82]

The ACC pretending basketball doesn’t matter isn’t a great idea when the B12, the only conference they are really competing with, values it tremendously.

But not so tremendously as to offer the six-time and back to back national champions a slot.

 

[Forte]

The ACC pretending basketball doesn’t matter isn’t a great idea when the B12, the only conference they are really competing with, values it tremendously.

The reason the ACC doesnt value basketball is primarily because of the southern football first schools and their complete dominance over the entire conference. When they leave that issue goes out the door but they will quite possibly liquidate the ACC on the way out. It's funny how the programs that hold everyone else's nuts to the fire are the ones with a foot out the door and zero future commitment ... see pac12

I can't decide if I'd be happier with UConn getting an offer to join the ACC or if greater joy would come from watching the ACC completely implode, even at our peril

 

[ZooCougar]

This article shows two things

1. Most of the realignment has been all about the right place at the right time. Louisville, BC, Cuse and Pitt peaked at the absolute right times while UConn hit one of its biggest obstacles at the wrong time.

2. The author is clearly basketball-focused and fails to understand that football drives the bus. How people don't get that by now is beyond me. Southern footballs schools drive the ACC bus until they decide to run it off the cliff.

We might get an ACC invite once it has been picked by the vultures. Unless football is still valued greater then look for Memphis, Tulane and USF to take priority. Academics do not matter ... only football.. see Ville.

The unsaid point of the article is that sometimes the best option isn’t the one that seems the most obvious.

 

[Kolumbo]

This article shows two things

1. Most of the realignment has been all about the right place at the right time. Louisville, BC, Cuse and Pitt peaked at the absolute right times while UConn hit one of its biggest obstacles at the wrong time.

2. The author is clearly basketball-focused and fails to understand that football drives the bus. How people don't get that by now is beyond me. Southern footballs schools drive the ACC bus until they decide to run it off the cliff.

We might get an ACC invite once it has been picked by the vultures. Unless football is still valued greater then look for Memphis, Tulane and USF to take priority. Academics do not matter ... only football.. see Ville.

#2. The author absolutely understands it's all about football. My feeling is, the ACC and Big 12 are fighting losing battles because they will never ever win the football battle. So win at something else. That's this guys point.

ACC Football

saturdayroad.com

"everything that has happened in college athletics over the past decade....has been centered exclusively around football"

"maybe it’s time for the league to stop chasing its tail and get back to its roots. And start concentrating on doing what it has always done best. Playing basketball"

 

[Forte]

#2. The author absolutely understands it's all about football. My feeling is, the ACC and Big 12 are fighting losing battles because they will never ever win the football battle. So win at something else. That's this guys point.

ACC Football

saturdayroad.com

"everything that has happened in college athletics over the past decade....has been centered exclusively around football"

"maybe it’s time for the league to stop chasing its tail and get back to its roots. And start concentrating on doing what it has always done best. Playing basketball"

I'd be curious if bad football/lower p4 programs still out-earn and add greater TV revenue than p4 top-level basketball. Curious about the numbers for say Kentucky, Kansas, Cuse, Indiana, Virginia etc

 

[hank970]

The reason the ACC doesnt value basketball is primarily because of the southern football first schools and their complete dominance over the entire conference. When they leave that issue goes out the door but they will quite possibly liquidate the ACC on the way out. It's funny how the programs that hold everyone else's nuts to the fire are the ones with a foot out the door and zero future commitment ... see pac12

I can't decide if I'd be happier with UConn getting an offer to join the ACC or if greater joy would come from watching the ACC completely implode, even at our peril

Not so. FSU and Clemson currently may have more prominent football programs than the rest of the ACC-at-large, but they don't dominate the conference in any other way. The charter North Carolina institutions, most of which (and maybe all) are traditionally basketball-first schools, are the ones that pull the strings. That's why FSU and Clemson want out -- that, and dreams of P2 money.

Football may generate higher revenues, but any conference worth its salt is going to want member institutions to excel at both football and basketball. The two so-called money sports aren't mutually exclusive. Toward that end, we're seeing the football-first southern P2 schools like Alabama starting to put more emphasis on hoops. Will they succeed? A lot depends on what coaches they can attract and keep. When you have money to burn, that's a lot easier.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Something that may have gone unnoticed by a few, and will be a hit to Duke overall, was the announcement that 28 year president of CBS Sports (and Duke alumnus) Sean McManus is retiring (they announced this would be his last NCAA tournament, at some point this spring he will be done).

Duke basketball received a considerable amount of favorable exposure (I can get into some details later) that many questioned as excessive favoritism during his time there.

 

[CoastAtlantic]

 

[Drew]

 

[huskymedic]

Shortcut

 

[freescooter]

Write it down. Within 5 years there will be a push for the G 5 champ to play the P2 champ.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Write it down. Within 5 years there will be a push for the G 5 champ to play the P2 champ.

If the G5 breaks off, within 10 years there will not be a college football championship that anyone cares about.

 

[TheCatsLair]

Write it down. Within 5 years there will be a push for the G 5 champ to play the P2 champ.

The P4 champ and yep, I could see that.

 

[John]

If the G5 breaks off, within 10 years there will not be a college football championship that anyone cares about.

Incorrect. People who care about sports enjoy high level competition regardless of the team's playing.

 

[Patman]

If the G5 breaks off, within 10 years there will not be a college football championship that anyone cares about.

Incorrect. People who care about sports enjoy high level competition regardless of the team's playing.

Ultimately John is correct. Is anybody really going dispute a 2 loss P2/4 champ over an undefeated G5 champ?

No, they aren't, not seriously at least, and the stakeholders, likely ESPN plus somebody else, probably Fox, are going to be the sanctifying bulwark.

 

[B1GEast]

The group of 5 should partner with the Big 12 and ACC and not schedule any games vs the B1G or SEC.

Let the power two play each other in their own sandbox and see who cares.

 

[billybud]

Everything ends badly...otherwise it wouldn't end.

 

[KryHavok]

The group of 5 should partner with the Big 12 and ACC and not schedule any games vs the B1G or SEC.

Let the power two play each other in their own sandbox and see who cares.

I can't like this post enough and agree whole heartedly. The catch is that the P2 will have most of the football powers and an overwhelming majority of the recent football champions, so the casual fan + the P2 fans will likely be okay with just the P2 semi-pro wannabe athlete/part-time student playoff while true P3-4 + G5 fans will be lamenting our also ran NIT-like tourney.

 

[TheCatsLair]

I can't like this post enough and agree whole heartedly. The catch is that the P2 will have most of the football powers and an overwhelming majority of the recent football champions, so the casual fan + the P2 fans will likely be okay with just the P2 semi-pro wannabe athlete/part-time student playoff while true P3-4 + G5 fans will be lamenting our also ran NIT-like tourney.

TV will never be happy with a SEC/B1G only playoffsl

 

[Rufus]

The catch is that the P2 will have most of the football powers and an overwhelming majority of the recent football champions, so the casual fan + the P2 fans will likely be okay with just the P2 semi-pro wannabe athlete/part-time student playoff while true P3-4 + G5 fans will be lamenting our also ran NIT-like tourney.

Something to consider here..........let's assume that Florida State, Clemson, and Miami find landing spots in the SEC or B1G. Let's also assume that if Notre Dame does not join the B1G and remains independent that the P2 invite ND to their breakaway playoff.

The P2 will have every national champion in football since 1959 except for 4:

1990 - Georgia Tech and Colorado
1984 - BYU
1976 - Pittsburgh
1959 - Syracuse

That's it for non-P2 national champions.

Only 4 since 1959 and none since 1990.

 

[The Yakk]

Something to consider here..........let's assume that Florida State, Clemson, and Miami find landing spots in the SEC or B1G. Let's also assume that if Notre Dame does not join the B1G and remains independent that the P2 invite ND to their breakaway playoff.

The P2 will have every national champion in football since 1959 except for 4:

1990 - Georgia Tech and Colorado
1984 - BYU
1976 - Pittsburgh
1959 - Syracuse

That's it for non-P2 national champions.

Only 4 since 1959 and none since 1990.

Congrats, I guess, for consolidating into a cartel that will never again allow a new champion to pop up out of nowhere.

In an unrelated story, the massive financial returns earned by the pro sports leagues in the last 50 years have come with EXPANSION. Growing the sports and adding fans.

It's interesting that the power brokers for college sports think that CONTRACTION is the way to go. Best of luck with that.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Incorrect. People who care about sports enjoy high level competition regardless of the team's playing.

College sports is a minor league. The Detroit Pistons would go 4-0 in a 7 game series against UConn, winning each game by 30+ points. So you are incorrect.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Something to consider here..........let's assume that Florida State, Clemson, and Miami find landing spots in the SEC or B1G. Let's also assume that if Notre Dame does not join the B1G and remains independent that the P2 invite ND to their breakaway playoff.

The P2 will have every national champion in football since 1959 except for 4:

1990 - Georgia Tech and Colorado
1984 - BYU
1976 - Pittsburgh
1959 - Syracuse

That's it for non-P2 national champions.

Only 4 since 1959 and none since 1990.

Which team are we all going to become fans of after UConn’s athletic program is shut down?

 

[MKH2317]

Which team are we all going to become fans of after UConn’s athletic program is shut down?

I will boycott