Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[ZooCougar]

At some point this is what it boils down to for ESPN. If they can't keep FSU, and a few others in the ACC, ESPN would want them in the SEC which ESPN also controls. Losing them to the B1G means losing them to FOX.

Why would ESPN pay FSU three times as much in the SEC when they are paying them about a third in the ACC?

 

[mike012]

ESPN won’t pay them more. They made there feelings concerning fsu clear a couple weeks ago

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Are they a signatory party though? Isn't the legally binding agreement between ESPN and the ACC and not the ACC members et al?

Perhaps I misread it but I thought it stated that the Grant of Rights agreement is what the attorneys couldn't copy. That agreement is between the member schools and the ACC. The media deal is between the ACC and ESPN.

 

[MilliniumPrince]

Once your governor tries to take on Disney in court, no need to worry about looking absolutely foolish.

 

[How Sway?!]

So you’re denying that schools use football to fundraise? Having an FBS program is a big part of a University’s public profile.

Even for the Ivies football is big for Alums and fundraising.

Keep digging that hole.

No, I'm saying it's a miniscule part of their overall fundraising.

Also for the ivies, they get a lot more donations from other sports than they do for football. If they actually thought football was important for their academic profile, they would participate in the FCS playoffs.

 

[John]

No, I'm saying it's a miniscule part of their overall fundraising.

Also for the ivies, they get a lot more donations from other sports than they do for football.

That cannot be right.

 

[ScottVib]

Huh. ND underpaid by them by a lot then and they don't bitch, which shows how much they value Independent status.

I thought it showed more how little value basketball has to the TV rights deal, even in the ACC. Yormark is probably right that basketball is undervalued, but he's got to convince a network partner that there is more money to be made from hoops (or successfully sever basketball/olympic sports and football rights).

 

[ZooCougar]

No, I'm saying it's a miniscule part of their overall fundraising.

Also for the ivies, they get a lot more donations from other sports than they do for football. If they actually thought football was important for their academic profile, they would participate in the FCS playoffs.

Football/Sports is part of the image of the school. And it is a crucial part of fundraising.

 

[ZooCougar]

ESPN won’t pay them more. They made there feelings concerning fsu clear a couple weeks ago

Exactly

 

[How Sway?!]

Football/Sports is part of the image of the school. And it is a crucial part of fundraising.

I'm not saying it's doesn't play a part, but calling it crucial is incorrect.

Of the top 15 donations to universities, only 6 were given to schools playing FBS football, and of those 6, 3 were by Phil Knight, 1 was to Western Michigan, another to Northwestern, and last one to Stanford.

So of 15, only 5 went to schools in big time football, and that is being generous to Northwestern and Stanford

 

[Waquoit]

No.

That advances the conversation.

 

[shizzle787]

6 schools to bring in ahead of UConn
Memphis
USF
Tulane
JMU
Liberty
ECU

LOL. The ACC is never bringing in Liberty. The Sun Belt doesn't even want them. Wake and Duke will never accept ECU. VaTech will never accept JMU. If Miami is left behind, they will never accept USF. Memphis keeps getting left behind for a reason, and Tulane has been good at football for all of two minutes. We are fine.

 

[shizzle787]

Why would ESPN pay FSU three times as much in the SEC when they are paying them about a third in the ACC?

Because if they don't, NBC/FOX/CBS will if they are in the B1G.

 

[UConnJim]

Why would ESPN pay FSU three times as much in the SEC when they are paying them about a third in the ACC?

A couple of reasons. First, better matchups = better ratings as getting the most marketable programs into the same conference will increase ratings. FSU games in the SEC will have better ratings than in the ACC. Next, we know how ESPN works. Say they move 4 ACC schools to their other property, the SEC. Pay them 3x more, get better ratings, don't renew the ACC contract after 2027, and save money as now they are paying 4 teams less than the 18 programs in the ACC.

 

[LoyalFanCT]

6 schools to bring in ahead of UConn
Memphis
USF
Tulane
JMU
Liberty
ECU

I can see Tulane and USF being asked to join. But UConn comes in as a likely candidate too. Remember Stanford and Cal are in the mix now. Academic quality is going to play a role given these schools. UConn is not at the same academic level as Cal but it is impressive. And if Duke and Syracuse remain, and even maybe UVA, basketball quality is going to count, too. And we are a blue blood.

 

[GG]

A couple of reasons. First, better matchups = better ratings as getting the most marketable programs into the same conference will increase ratings. FSU games in the SEC will have better ratings than in the ACC. Next, we know how ESPN works. Say they move 4 ACC schools to their other property, the SEC. Pay them 3x more, get better ratings, don't renew the ACC contract after 2027, and save money as now they are paying 4 teams less than the 18 programs in the ACC.

FSU is likely BIG bound and not SEC.

 

[UConnJim]

FSU is likely BIG bound and not SEC.

In my opinion, the SEC will not allow the Big 10 into Florida, but we'll see. And, FSU would choose the SEC over Big 10.

 

[Ha Who]

In my opinion, the SEC will not allow the Big 10 into Florida, but we'll see. And, FSU would choose the SEC over Big 10.

Imagine when they play Bama, Georgia, Auburn, Tennessee…… every week. They will be crying we can’t compete. What happened to Wake and Cuse?

 

[noeynox]

LOL. The ACC is never bringing in Liberty. The Sun Belt doesn't even want them. Wake and Duke will never accept ECU. VaTech will never accept JMU. If Miami is left behind, they will never accept USF. Memphis keeps getting left behind for a reason, and Tulane has been good at football for all of two minutes. We are fine.

We just saw SMU and CalFord get in over the objections of FSU and others. How could you be so sure of any of that? That seems to have only worked for BC to keep UConn out.

 

[shizzle787]

We just saw SMU and CalFord get in over the objections of FSU and others. How could you be so sure of any of that? That seems to have only worked for BC to keep UConn out.

Because the other 12 schools outvoted them and there was some serious pressure nationally to find CalFord a P4 home.

 

[noeynox]

Because the other 12 schools outvoted them and there was some serious pressure nationally to find CalFord a P4 home.

Or in other words, the objections of 1 or even a few members wasn't enough to keep teams out the others wanted. Lol at national pressure.

 

[dayooper]

Or in other words, the objections of 1 or even a few members wasn't enough to keep teams out the others wanted. Lol at national pressure.

Eh, I think the ACC knew they were potentially going to lose up to 3 schools and their contract with ESPN states that they are required to have 15 schools. Even if they lose 4 or 5 schools (FSU, UNC, ND, UVA and/or Miami), it would be much easier to fill 2 instead of 5.

 

[ZooCougar]

Because if they don't, NBC/FOX/CBS will if they are in the B1G.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

wrong

 

[ZooCougar]

A couple of reasons. First, better matchups = better ratings as getting the most marketable programs into the same conference will increase ratings. FSU games in the SEC will have better ratings than in the ACC. Next, we know how ESPN works. Say they move 4 ACC schools to their other property, the SEC. Pay them 3x more, get better ratings, don't renew the ACC contract after 2027, and save money as now they are paying 4 teams less than the 18 programs in the ACC.

No. Absolutely not. You don’t raise $70M in value over matchups. That’s soooo fuzzy.

The answer is nobody is going pay $70M more for a school that is valued at $30M a year now.

The media money is drying up as it is. They didn’t even give Oregon and Washington full shares.

And nobody is touching FSU with a ten foot pole until they are clean of all of their legal woes.

 

[John]

Because the other 12 schools outvoted them and there was some serious pressure nationally to find CalFord a P4 home.

National pressure from who?