Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[huskypantz]

The list is missing a lot of schools. No BYU, Cuse, Dook, etc.

Privates don't have to disclose.

 

[shizzle787]

Either way, we should get rid of cross country (men's and women's) and golf. Neither provide any sort of financial benefit to the school, and cross country is costly in terms of a boat load of scholarships.

 

[shizzle787]

So are you saying that Cincy has no subsidy and that their stated income is truly income?

Some of the "subsidy" has already been explained in other threads, which is basically a difference in reporting. The rest of the subsidy, I would argue, is perfectly sustainable if you understand the value of athletics toward general student body recruitment and university name recognition. I won't get into it here, because I avoid punches to the throat. But suffice it to say that President Herbst and the UConn leadership understand the value of the athletic dollar in terms of generating revenue elsewhere at the university, even in times of restrictive budgets. It is a form of advertising expenditure that generates more returns than any other form of advertising...

USA TODAY Sports Ok, boys: here subsidies are counted as revenue and Cincy had $23 million and we had $28 million in subsidies.

 

[wethyhusky]

Either way, we should get rid of cross country (men's and women's) and golf. Neither provide any sort of financial benefit to the school, and cross country is costly in terms of a boat load of scholarships.

Getting rid of these sports is not the answer. We need a well rounded university in all aspects

 

[History Geek]

Either way, we should get rid of cross country (men's and women's) and golf. Neither provide any sort of financial benefit to the school, and cross country is costly in terms of a boat load of scholarships.

No. Keeping only revenue sports is not what it is about.

 

[shizzle787]

Getting rid of these sports is not the answer. We need a well rounded university in all aspects

Well-rounded is the reason it takes four years to graduate college instead of three (thereby raising costs for students). We don't need a gazillion bogus general education courses (two or three is fine), and we don't need sports we can't afford.

 

[FDNY99]

Can you provide a breakdown of this with sources?

Intramural Sports | UConn Recreation
I'm not going to do all your work for you..click on the different sports in the schedule and you will find that soccer is played at Schenkman, swimming at the Wolf-Zackin Natatorium, basketball and exercise facilities are at the Fieldhouse, tennis is at the varsity tennis courts, flag football is at the Sherman Family Sports Complex...etc...Gee Nelson what do those facilities and UConn athletics have in common...I know they are the same facilities used by the athletic teams!

 

[huskymedic]

Either way, we should get rid of cross country (men's and women's) and golf. Neither provide any sort of financial benefit to the school, and cross country is costly in terms of a boat load of scholarships.

You think cutting 30 scholarships across men's and women's x-country is the answer? Golf is only 4-5 in total I believe.

 

[shizzle787]

You think cutting 30 scholarships across men's and women's x-country is the answer?

It's a start.

 

[huskymedic]

It's a start.

Got cut from the team eh?

 

[shizzle787]

Got cut from the team eh?

Nope. Regardless, we have a financial crisis and getting ridding of cross country and golf slightly softens the blow, and while yes, it hurts the 30 or so scholarship players most of them can find D-1 scholarships elsewhere, and the walk-ons could always go to another school in the area.

 

[wethyhusky]

Well-rounded is the reason it takes four years to graduate college instead of three (thereby raising costs for students). We don't need a gazillion bogus general education courses (two or three is fine), and we don't need sports we can't afford.

So anything that doesn't turn a profit should be removed from the university? Get rid of all other sports other than football and basketball, intramurals, rec centers, bands, and so on? I disagree with your idea.

 

[shizzle787]

So anything that doesn't turn a profit should be removed from the university? Get rid of all other sports other than football and basketball, intramurals, rec centers, bands, and so on? I disagree with your idea.

That's not what I am implying. It is not about turning a profit, it is about breaking even. Football and basketball make money so we can subsidize other sports with that money. However, the NCAA stipulates that to be D-1, you have to 7 male sports and an equivalent number of female scholarships (as long as its at least 7 sports). The point I am trying to make is that we have too many sports above the minimum limit that lose money against the budget.

 

[whaler11]

Hate to agree with Shizzle but if you are hitting up students for a subsidy... cutting some non-revenue sports makes sense.

 

[JMick]

Hate to agree with Shizzle but if you are hitting up students for a subsidy... cutting some non-revenue sports makes sense.

Honestly if it's not an olympic sport, professional sport, or sport we already excel at on the national stage, it's not really worth keeping. I don't think anyone is going to cry over cutting golf or cross country.

 

[whaler11]

Honestly if it's not an olympic sport, professional sport, or sport we already excel at on the national stage, it's not really worth keeping. I don't think anyone is going to cry over cutting golf or cross country.

I imagine golf costs next to nothing - but I was on a flight yesterday with the Penn State track team. That has to be sneaky expensive moving that many people around the country.

It's sports like that which seem completely wasteful to me. If you are throwing a discus or a javelin for example - you just need someone to measure it - you don't need to fly somewhere to 'compete'.

 

[upstater]

I can't see how a subsidy is counted as revenue.

There are so many different ways they bake that cake. Some schools take the private donations toward the building of facilities, and count them as donation revenue over time. Meanwhile, the school finances the stadium and pays the interest. This is one subsidy that doesn't show on the ADs ledgers. Instead, the AD shows revenue in the form of donations.

 

[upstater]

That's not what I am implying. It is not about turning a profit, it is about breaking even. Football and basketball make money so we can subsidize other sports with that money. However, the NCAA stipulates that to be D-1, you have to 7 male sports and an equivalent number of female scholarships (as long as its at least 7 sports). The point I am trying to make is that we have too many sports above the minimum limit that lose money against the budget.

Before some schools went D1 in football, they had relatively low budgets. Jumping up to D1 caused those budgets to rise 3 or 4-fold in a couple years. I suspect that football is not the revenue producer many think it is. Football is also the reason for some of the biggest expenditures (coaching salaries, trainers, weight room, doctors, travel, recruiting expenses, 85 scholarships, etc.).

 

[shizzle787]

Before some schools went D1 in football, they had relatively low budgets. Jumping up to D1 caused those budgets to rise 3 or 4-fold in a couple years. I suspect that football is not the revenue producer many think it is. Football is also the reason for some of the biggest expenditures (coaching salaries, trainers, weight room, doctors, travel, recruiting expenses, 85 scholarships, etc.).

I realize this, but I think a reason for increased costs is also the Title IX requirements attached to adding football.

 

[huskyharry]

You think cutting 30 scholarships across men's and women's x-country is the answer? Golf is only 4-5 in total I believe.

I doubt that Men's Cross Country has anywhere near that amount. When I was on UConn Track in '80-'81, there were only 3 or 4 scholarships total for Men's track and field, which typically were split into quarter or half scholarships for the top performers.
Women's sports are different, as the total scholarship amount needs to match the men's total and since Football gets 80 there are a lot to make up in other sports. The facilities upkeep and uniform costs for Cross Country are relatively very low.

 

[upstater]

I realize this, but I think a reason for increased costs is also the Title IX requirements attached to adding football.

I dont think so. Im talking rises of $8 million a year total budget to $30m+.

 

[husky210]

Somewhere out there Fishy's head just went boom

 

[SAMCRO]

Somewhere out there Fishy's head just went boom

Fishy, in his special blanket, listening to Tom read a print out of the Key Tweets thread, daring him to find evidence of a key tweet.

 

[pj]

Fishy, in his special blanket, listening to Tom read a print out of the Key Tweets thread, daring him to find evidence of a key tweet.

Huh. Fishy and Tom got more handsome.

 

[huskymedic]

I doubt that Men's Cross Country has anywhere near that amount. When I was on UConn Track in '80-'81, there were only 3 or 4 scholarships total for Men's track and field, which typically were split into quarter or half scholarships for the top performers.

NCAA allows 12.6 scholarships for Men XC, 18 for Women XC. Not sure how many are actually utilized (full or partial).

 

[CallMeBruce]

Somewhere out there Fishy's head just went boom

He told shizzle to stop starting new threads, so shizzle is taking revenge by ruining existing threads.

 

[IMind]

I imagine golf costs next to nothing - but I was on a flight yesterday with the Penn State track team. That has to be sneaky expensive moving that many people around the country.

It's sports like that which seem completely wasteful to me. If you are throwing a discus or a javelin for example - you just need someone to measure it - you don't need to fly somewhere to 'compete'.

Track's a weird animal. You don't really travel to schools in your conference... you go to a half dozen or so big meets.. then have your conference championship... most of the time there's a standard you have to reach in order to compete, etc. I'm guessing UConn probably sends a handful of kids to the big invitationals.. Cross country costs outside of scholarships probably costs next to nothing... I mean heck look at the cross country schedule. They probably didn't take a plane to a single away event... MAYBE the American Conference championship, but I doubt it.

Cross Country and Track programs also share scholarships... so cross country is probably your cheapest sport to operate.

 

[mavblues]

Jake TrotterVerified account‏@Jake_Trotter 53m53 minutes ago


Texas coach Charlie Strong says he favors the status quo on the issues of expansion, adding a championship game.

 

[UConnTrumbull]

Jake TrotterVerified account‏@Jake_Trotter 53m53 minutes ago


Texas coach Charlie Strong says he favors the status quo on the issues of expansion, adding a championship game.

He won't be around long enough to even see a CCG

 

[hardcorehusky]

Shizzle forgers you have to balance Title IX scholarships - so across the board cuts do not always mean things stay the same. The cost for golf and track are nominal - but the scholarships given to the women are necessary. Women's rowing too. So advocating for eliminating sports is not so easy as a line item slash.