Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[upstater]

Not buying that one with the exception of UT. Texas and UConn are pretty much of equal quality, but OU and Kansas are both pretty sub par schools. Further, that would only be 30% of the conference even if I gave you Kansas and OU. If you look at, say, the ACC, every school matches up well with UConn with the exception of FSU and Louisville.

Kansas is AAU. Oklahoma has the highest Carnegie category. 1.6B endowment. These schools are very similar to UConn, and as for UT they are in another stratosphere. How does every school in the ACC match up well with UConn? There are private schools that don't match up well at all, like BC, Cuse, Wake, Duke. UConn is well ahead of Clemson, but it is just lightly ahead of Florida State, similar type schools. Virginia is obviously in another stratosphere, but UConn aspires to be like Pitt and North Carolina.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

Not buying that one with the exception of UT. Texas and UConn are pretty much of equal quality, but OU and Kansas are both pretty sub par schools. Further, that would only be 30% of the conference even if I gave you Kansas and OU. If you look at, say, the ACC, every school matches up well with UConn with the exception of FSU and Louisville.

Based on publicly disclosed undergrad admissions scores, your perspective appears correct. Above, someone mentioned SMU and Baylor. Publicly reported undergrad admissions scores for SMU are higher than for UCONN, and markedly lower for Baylor. Within academia, perhaps some other views exist if graduate admissions #s, research $, or other factors are considered.

 

[upstater]

Based on publicly disclosed undergrad admissions scores, your perspective appears correct. Above, someone mentioned SMU and Baylor. Publicly reported undergrad admissions scores for SMU are higher than for UCONN, and markedly lower for Baylor. Within academia, perhaps some other views exist if graduate admissions #s, research $, or other factors are considered.

Admission scores though skew. They diminish in importance with the different size of the schools. It used to be schools increased scores by limiting seats. SMU, Baylor and TCU are smaller privates. The big state schools also have different missions to serve their own students from the state primarily, which will limit the applicant pool (i.e. it's harder gaining admission from out of state, so state students have an advantage). After that, it's not just a matter of research $ or grad admissions, but I would look at the level of student and faculty support (i.e. the cost per student). Assuming that in the highest Carnegie tier, salaries average around $80k, I'd bet this factor is more important than admission stats in terms of the quality of education. The more $$$ per student, the more faculty support there is, and the more full-time faculty. Naturally, the best faculty will gravitate to the schools with the best support in terms of salary and expenditures for teaching/research, though of course geography is a factor. Oklahoma definitely suffers in that regard. But then so does the entire B12 outside of Texas.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

Admission scores though skew. They diminish in importance with the different size of the schools. It used to be schools increased scores by limiting seats. SMU, Baylor and TCU are smaller privates. The big state schools also have different missions to serve their own students from the state primarily, which will limit the applicant pool (i.e. it's harder gaining admission from out of state, so state students have an advantage). After that, it's not just a matter of research $ or grad admissions, but I would look at the level of student and faculty support (i.e. the cost per student). Assuming that in the highest Carnegie tier, salaries average around $80k, I'd bet this factor is more important than admission stats in terms of the quality of education. The more $$$ per student, the more faculty support there is, and the more full-time faculty. Naturally, the best faculty will gravitate to the schools with the best support in terms of salary and expenditures for teaching/research, though of course geography is a factor. Oklahoma definitely suffers in that regard. But then so does the entire B12 outside of Texas.

Good academic insight; thank you. Abridged info: Other than UT, UCONN is a higher ranked and respected university than every other Big XII school.

 

[Nostical]

UConn aspires to be like Pitt and North Carolina.

Actually, if you believe the boss, UConn aspires to be like Michigan.

 

[upstater]

Good academic insight; thank you. Abridged info: Other than UT, UCONN is a higher ranked and respected university than every other Big XII school.

You mean US News I assume.

 

[epark88]

You're all monsters.

Delete this one, too.

 

[Fishy]

Last warning - the thread is for key tweets.

Your ability to comprehend the concept will determine your ability to continue to exist here.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

You mean US News I assume.

Hardly, assume less ... yet now on to heeding the finned one's well-intended reminder.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

Admissions. I've talked about this a while ago - universities like being in a conference with peer institutions that draw from a similar pool of high school students. You can easily see where Brown or Cornell benefits from being in an athletic league with Harvard and Yale - they want to draw from the same population of students. A high school guidance counselor might be more apt to suggest applying to say, University of Utah as a 2nd/3rd choice when that school is associated with UC Berkeley and Washington. On this front, UConn probably would prefer to associate with the ACC and attract students who are applying to UVA, Duke and UNC. SMU and Baylor may be pretty good schools, but the type of student who applies to those (or to say, Kansas State) is probably not the main type of student UConn wants to attract. And vice versa - kids from New England / New York who grew up fans of UConn, and are applying to UConn, probably won't pick too many AAC or B12 schools as their backup. Geography is a component, but it's more than that.

You just though of a new argument for UConn inclusion in the B12
Texas,Oklahoma,Kansas,Iowa State somewhat peers can benefit by getting New England Studends

 

[NEforceUConn]

Last warning - the thread is for key tweets.

Your ability to comprehend the concept will determine your ability to continue to exist here.

Is that the carrot?

Where's the stick?

Lots of threads to post opinions in, take charge.

or do you know the imminent future, and don't give a rats ass

1. ps When i see my serious ACC insider neighbor, he's with the Clemson ft team right now representing the ACC, I'll ask specifics trying to tie him down. He's too high up and usually says that UConn is a strong state school and will end up AOK.. Last time he referred to 4-6 years before true expansion, unless the Big 12 makes a move. He has always thought UConn would be a good travel partner for WVU, but then again he has past ties to WVU ( among others).

Go UConn - take the Big 12 if they extend it. Seems like the ACC and B1G don't really care enough to trump.

This ACC/B1G view, or laise faire, is reality and its not carwash news.

 

[mavblues]

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 13m13 minutes ago

We hope to garner more info once Dereg votes concludes. Leading candidates UCONN-UH-CINCY will make final pitches & negotiate pay schedules.

 

[Dooley]

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 13m13 minutes ago

We hope to garner more info once Dereg votes concludes. Leading candidates UCONN-UH-CINCY will make final pitches & negotiate pay schedules.

Hate to get technical, but while Flugs is a nice guy and always has known and tweeted about what kind of value we bring to a P5 conference, he falls under the Non-Key Twitterati grouping. This thread is reserved for tweets/messages from journalists, school/conference leaders, etc.

 

[FDNY99]

This to me falls in key tweet category ..if different mod's can move it:

1. Stewart Mandel ‏@slmandel 10m10 minutes ago
   For those hoping for Big 12 expansion ... Next week's NCAA convention just got very interesting.
   
   12 retweets11 likes
   
2. 
   Stewart Mandel ‏@slmandel 17m17 minutes ago
   John Swofford on conference title game deregulation: "A year ago I thought that would have passed easily. Now we'll have to see."
   
   7 retweets1 like
   
3. 
   Stewart Mandel ‏@slmandel 24m24 minutes ago
   Sankey: The SEC Big 12 prime time Sugar Bowl is important to them. "We will protect that." No talk of moving it so playoff not on NYE.
   
   5 retweets3 likes
   
4. 
   Stewart Mandel ‏@slmandel 26m26 minutes ago
   Sankey said there is an "openness" to explore options for Big 12 to host a title game with 10 teams, but they are happy with status quo.
   
   5 retweets1 like
   
5. 
   Stewart Mandel ‏@slmandel 27m27 minutes ago
   SEC commissioner Greg Sankey just said he will not support ACC/big 12 title game deregulation as originally proposed. Vote is next week.
   

 

[tcf15]

This to me falls in key tweet category ..if different mod's can move it:
Stewart MandelVerified account‏@slmandel
SEC commissioner Greg Sankey just said he will not support ACC/big 12 title game deregulation as originally proposed. Vote is next week.

 

[FDNY99]

Looks like the SEC and B1G are calling the ACC out. Delaney's addendum was specifically aimed at the ACC...they are going to force Stafford into having a CCG played by 2 division winners. IMHO SEC, B!G, and PAC-12 will all vote together on this.

 

[CL82]

I wonder a bit if the Big 12 sudden public flirtation with us is their way of saying that there will consequences if you vote against our CCG plan. Those consequences being the loss of a desirable piece (Connecticut) and competition on the East coast. An attempt to change the cost/benefit analysis a bit to the favor there proposal makes sense but it may be a too Storrs-centric view.

 

[FDNY99]

I wonder a bit if the Big 12 sudden public flirtation with us is there way of saying that there will consequences if you vote against our CCG plan. Those consequences bieng the loss of a desirable piece (Connecticut) and competition on the East coast. An attempt to change the cost/benefit analysis a bit to the favor there proposal makes sense but it may be a too Storrs-centric view.

IMHO that public flirtation is a shot at the ACC more than anything else.

 

[jostar1]

Chuck Carlton ‏@ChuckCarltonDMN · 1h1 hour ago
SEC commissioner Greg Sankey says he's sympathetic to Big 12 but won't support conference title game deregulation as currently proposed.

Chuck Carlton ‏@ChuckCarltonDMN · 1h1 hour ago
Vote on conference title game deregulation scheduled this week at NCAA convention. Power 5 has 2 votes per conf, group of five 1 per con f.

Chuck Carlton ‏@ChuckCarltonDMN · 52m52 minutes ago
Conference USA commissioner Judy MacLeod through a spokesman says it's finalizing input from members on conf title game deregulation vote.

Chuck CarltonVerified account
@ChuckCarltonDMN
Reporting on all things Big 12 for the Dallas Morning News. Like the conference I cover, I've improbably survived a couple rounds of realignment.

 

[shizzle787]

If the Big 10, SEC, and Pac-12 all vote against it, only 2 G5 conferences will have to vote against it for it to fail. From what others have said (and it makes sense), the MAC will follow its big brother the Big 10, leaving only one more conference, likely the AAC, to vote against it. I get the feeling it will be shot down.

 

[WestHartHusk]

How is the AAC planning to vote? And could a lot of these rumors simply be designed to move (scare?) G5 votes?

The way I see it, under the current proposal, the non-G5 votes are 6-4...G5 votes can very easily push the CG deregulation over the line, no?

 

[FDNY99]

If the Big 10, SEC, and Pac-12 all vote against it, only 2 G5 conferences will have to vote against it for it to fail. From what others have said (and it makes sense), the MAC will follow its big brother the Big 10, leaving only one more conference, likely the AAC, to vote against it. I get the feeling it will be shot down.

100% agree....

 

[Dooley]

There are too many schools in the AAC that will vote against it because they are hoping for an invite to the B12 once it is voted down. UConn, Cincinnati, Memphis, Houston, USF, UCF...all hoping for a B12 invite.

 

[mavblues]

If the Big 10, SEC, and Pac-12 all vote against it, only 2 G5 conferences will have to vote against it for it to fail. From what others have said (and it makes sense), the MAC will follow its big brother the Big 10, leaving only one more conference, likely the AAC, to vote against it. I get the feeling it will be shot down.

Remember rule #1 of realignment.

The AAC's vote will be the deciding vote (cast on the AAC's behalf by UConn). The AAC decides to vote FOR the B12's proposal, allowing the B12 to hold a championship game without expanding. UConn will be forced to cast the deciding vote and vote against it's own best interests.

 

[WestHartHusk]

There are too many schools in the AAC that will vote against it because they are hoping for an invite to the B12 once it is voted down. UConn, Cincinnati, Memphis, Houston, USF, UCF...all hoping for a B12 invite.

That's kind of my point...the Big12 essentially has AAC members playing Russian roulette right now. If you are USF/UCF, are you really willing to risk pushing out 2 of Houston, Cinci and UConn, backfilling with USM and UMASS and renegotiating the TV deal? There must be some hard math going on right now in several AD offices.