Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[CL82]

To paraphrase The Animals: "We gotta get out of this conference/ If it's the last thing we ever do / We gotta get out of this conference / Girl, there's a better life for me and you"

To paraphrase Otis Redding: "2000 miles I'll roam, just to make a P5 conference my home."

 

[billybud]

Alison Krause...

"You've closed a door in front of me
I wait patiently outside
And as the minutes tick away
I feel my anger rise

Well I could brag on the things I've done
or the places I have been
But I've never found a cure
for on the outside looking in"

 

[epark88]

To paraphrase The Animals: "We gotta get out of this conference/ If it's the last thing we ever do / We gotta get out of this conference / Girl, there's a better life for me and you"

To paraphrase Black Sheep:

Listen Aresco, lemme say it slow
Weee...haaave..to...goooooooo
Not to dis, but lets disperse
Yo, we'll see you later, unless we see you first...

 

[FDNY99]

I consider this a key tweet:
SB✯Nation CFB ‏@SBNationCFB 4m4 minutes ago
NCAA admins will soon vote on a rule that could lead to another Big 12 expansion. Here's what you need to know http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/1/6/10718972/big-12-expansion-ncaa-conference-title-game-byu-houston-cincinnati…

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[UCFBfan]

I consider this a key tweet:
SB✯Nation CFB ‏@SBNationCFB 4m4 minutes ago
NCAA admins will soon vote on a rule that could lead to another Big 12 expansion. Here's what you need to know http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/1/6/10718972/big-12-expansion-ncaa-conference-title-game-byu-houston-cincinnati…

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I read that and ZERO mention of UConn. Only mentioned how schools like Cincy, BYU, and Houston would be interested to find out the vote....was good info about what was being voted on though. The B1G proposal still confuses me.

 

[uconnphil2016]

I read that and ZERO mention of UConn. Only mentioned how schools like Cincy, BYU, and Houston would be interested to find out the vote....was good info about what was being voted on though. The B1G proposal still confuses me.

I hate to say it, but I think we only have an outside chance. CR has discarded logic, but if any shred of logic remains then UConn is no fit for the Big 12, mostly geographically but also academically. I want to be in the P5 as much as the next guy, and I'd love to join the Big 12, but I just don't know if we're the puzzle piece they're looking for.

 

[CallMeBruce]

I hate to say it, but I think we only have an outside chance. CR has discarded logic, but if any shred of logic remains then UConn is no fit for the Big 12, mostly geographically but also academically. I want to be in the P5 as much as the next guy, and I'd love to join the Big 12, but I just don't know if we're the puzzle piece they're looking for.

What does it even mean that we're not a fit academically? We'd be too good a school?

 

[jostar1]

What does it even mean that we're not a fit academically? We'd be too good a school?

I guess that they are not all flagship universities. They're a mish-mash, like the ACC.

 

[CallMeBruce]

I guess that they are not all flagship universities. They're a mish-mash, like the ACC.

But does that mean they wouldn't want a state flagship? What's the downside?

 

[FDNY99]

I read that and ZERO mention of UConn. Only mentioned how schools like Cincy, BYU, and Houston would be interested to find out the vote....was good info about what was being voted on though. The B1G proposal still confuses me.

I put it here because it explained the process of the deregulation vote and what the B1G amendment means

 

[CL82]

I secretly harbor the belief that "no school brings enough value" mantra that we've heard so often over the last six months accrues to our favor, if accurate. We bring more value than any of the other teams on the list, by far. (#Dooley'slist) So if that's the criteria, rather than a reactionary grab of which of the candidates had the best football season in 2015, I think we stand a puncher's chance of getting a berth in the Big 12 notwithstanding the fact that we are an odd geographic and cultural fit.

 

[HuskyHawk]

But does that mean they wouldn't want a state flagship? What's the downside?

They very specifically do want a flagship. It is our biggest positive in my view. We are the last one available of any value.

 

[junglehusky]

What does it even mean that we're not a fit academically? We'd be too good a school?

Admissions. I've talked about this a while ago - universities like being in a conference with peer institutions that draw from a similar pool of high school students. You can easily see where Brown or Cornell benefits from being in an athletic league with Harvard and Yale - they want to draw from the same population of students. A high school guidance counselor might be more apt to suggest applying to say, University of Utah as a 2nd/3rd choice when that school is associated with UC Berkeley and Washington. On this front, UConn probably would prefer to associate with the ACC and attract students who are applying to UVA, Duke and UNC. SMU and Baylor may be pretty good schools, but the type of student who applies to those (or to say, Kansas State) is probably not the main type of student UConn wants to attract. And vice versa - kids from New England / New York who grew up fans of UConn, and are applying to UConn, probably won't pick too many AAC or B12 schools as their backup. Geography is a component, but it's more than that.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

Key. Tweets.

 

[Pudge]

Admissions. I've talked about this a while ago - universities like being in a conference with peer institutions that draw from a similar pool of high school students. You can easily see where Brown or Cornell benefits from being in an athletic league with Harvard and Yale - they want to draw from the same population of students. A high school guidance counselor might be more apt to suggest applying to say, University of Utah as a 2nd/3rd choice when that school is associated with UC Berkeley and Washington. On this front, UConn probably would prefer to associate with the ACC and attract students who are applying to UVA, Duke and UNC. SMU and Baylor may be pretty good schools, but the type of student who applies to those (or to say, Kansas State) is probably not the main type of student UConn wants to attract. And vice versa - kids from New England / New York who grew up fans of UConn, and are applying to UConn, probably won't pick too many AAC or B12 schools as their backup. Geography is a component, but it's more than that.

ALL ... major Universities want to rise in Worldwide Rankings. And the perception is that the affiliation with a Group - like the Big Ten - gives the Brand more power all over. What is happening? We all can see it: US Population flattens out. Past 2019 in most secondary schools. The Global Population of University Students from 2014-2025 rises from 167m to 265m; and, that increase is lots of big countries not the US. Where are the top 50 or top 100 ranked Universities? Whatever ranking you are looking at, about 35 of the top 50 are in the US. And Major State Flagships are rising all over. The Big Ten, I believe, are pulling together that all of their members rise. And, that has to be true of the B12. You Brand & you rise. You want more International kids and you get there by being higher ranked. USF or UCF will get there share; but, the students you want ... perpetuating into the future ... want the higher rankings. And the B12 Oklahoma University or Kansas State would rather be tied to University of Connecticut than BYU or Cincinnati.

 

[UCFBfan]

I put it here because it explained the process of the deregulation vote and what the B1G amendment means

Oh I wasn't shooting it down. I thought it was a good article. Sorry if you thought I was begin negative. Was just expressing that it was odd to see Houston and not UConn being mentioned as someone hoping for more CR.

 

[NYUConn]

You're all monsters.

 

[Revrat]

 

[uchusky32]

All points bulletin put out for Fishy.

 

[uconnphil2016]

What does it even mean that we're not a fit academically? We'd be too good a school?

Yes. The Big 12 is a conference comprised mostly of sub-par schools; it doesn't have nearly the same level of institutions that you have in the Big 10 and ACC. Might sound silly, but that's kind of important to me--I like to play schools that aren't a joke. The nice thing about having rivalries with schools like Syracuse, BC, Georgetown, Rutgers is not just the athletic component, but the fact that they're high caliber academic institutions.

 

[CallMeBruce]

Yes. The Big 12 is a conference comprised mostly of sub-par schools; it doesn't have nearly the same level of institutions that you have in the Big 10 and ACC. Might sound silly, but that's kind of important to me--I like to play schools that aren't a joke. The nice thing about having rivalries with schools like Syracuse, BC, Georgetown, Rutgers is not just the athletic component, but the fact that they're high caliber academic institutions.

This has nothing to do with anything you've said. Sure, I'd like to be in a league with better schools, but why would UConn's academics prevent them from being invited by the Big 12? Unless you're saying that the schools in the Big 12 would elect to pass on UConn because our academics are too good, this doesn't follow the post I was quoting.

 

[NYUConn]

Yes. The Big 12 is a conference comprised mostly of sub-par schools; it doesn't have nearly the same level of institutions that you have in the Big 10 and ACC. Might sound silly, but that's kind of important to me--I like to play schools that aren't a joke. The nice thing about having rivalries with schools like Syracuse, BC, Georgetown, Rutgers is not just the athletic component, but the fact that they're high caliber academic institutions.

I completely agree. I remember a few years back when Rutgers was investing heavily in Stem Cell research, but then UConn announced a major breakthrough for it's practical applications.

I was like, "YEAH! YOU LIKE THAT RUTGERS! S#*K IT!"

 

[uconnphil2016]

This has nothing to do with anything you've said. Sure, I'd like to be in a league with better schools, but why would UConn's academics prevent them from being invited by the Big 12? Unless you're saying that the schools in the Big 12 would elect to pass on UConn because our academics are too good, this doesn't follow the post I was quoting.

I completely agree. I remember a few years back when Rutgers was investing heavily in Stem Cell research, but then UConn announced a major breakthrough for it's practical applications.

I was like, "YEAH! YOU LIKE THAT RUTGERS! S#*K IT!"

To Bruce, you are right that my second post was tangential. My initial post, citing both geography and academics, was meant to primarily stress geography. However, although Big 12 schools obviously wouldn't go, "Wow, that school's academics are far too good for our conference! Nothing to see here," they would definitely be seeking schools that fit nicely into the profile of what it means to be a Big 12 school. What schools, culturally and academically, are going to fit in with the other Big 12 schools? UConn, in my opinion, wouldn't fit well into that Big 12 culture, for academics among other reasons. Still, geography is 90% of the reason why I don't see UConn in the Big 12.

To NYU, I do the same thing. It's great to compete with schools who you feel are similar to you not just on the field, but off it as well; it enhances the competition.

 

[upstater]

To Bruce, you are right that my second post was tangential. My initial post, citing both geography and academics, was meant to primarily stress geography. However, although Big 12 schools obviously wouldn't go, "Wow, that school's academics are far too good for our conference! Nothing to see here," they would definitely be seeking schools that fit nicely into the profile of what it means to be a Big 12 school. What schools, culturally and academically, are going to fit in with the other Big 12 schools? UConn, in my opinion, wouldn't fit well into that Big 12 culture, for academics among other reasons. Still, geography is 90% of the reason why I don't see UConn in the Big 12.

To NYU, I do the same thing. It's great to compete with schools who you feel are similar to you not just on the field, but off it as well; it enhances the competition.

Oklahoma, Kansas, Texas, these are 3 schools similar to UConn.

 

[uconnphil2016]

Oklahoma, Kansas, Texas, these are 3 schools similar to UConn.

Not buying that one with the exception of UT. Texas and UConn are pretty much of equal quality, but OU and Kansas are both pretty sub par schools. Further, that would only be 30% of the conference even if I gave you Kansas and OU. If you look at, say, the ACC, every school matches up well with UConn with the exception of FSU and Louisville.