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Big 12 Announces Basketball Suspensions
The Big 12 Conference today announced the following suspensions for the players involved in the altercation near the conclusion of Tuesday’s Kansas State at Kansas men’s basketball game:big12sports.com
Kansas
Silvio De Sousa – 12 games
David McCormack – 2 games
Kansas State
James Love – 8 games
Antonio Gordon – 3 games
OT: Kansas vs Kansas State brawl
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De Sousa was a huge jerk for the block/foul/stare down but if the entire team with guys in street clothes are coming at me I'm throwing blows. The picking up the stool was really bad but other than that I don't see the big deal.
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From what I could see on the tape, a guy in a suit, which I believe was a Kansas assistant coach, takes the chair out of De sousa's hands and you can see the surprise on the player's face when the chair is taken away. That was fortunate for him as getting into a brawl at a basketball game is one thing. Swinging a chair at someone is a criminal assault charge, which woudl have ended his career in Kansas and likely cost him millions in the NBA draft, not to mention the possibility of really hurting someone.
PS - Any one see the U Kansas male cheerleaders muscle their way in and seperate the two groups. I know a couple of the male cheerleaders at UConn back in the day and, trust me, no one wanted to mess with them. They were totally jacked.
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Big 12 Announces Basketball Suspensions
The Big 12 Conference today announced the following suspensions for the players involved in the altercation near the conclusion of Tuesday’s Kansas State at Kansas men’s basketball game:
Kansas
Silvio De Sousa – 12 games
David McCormack – 2 games
Kansas State
James Love – 8 games
Antonio Gordon – 3 games
Yep, the XII is taking this brawl very seriously. a 12 game suspension sounds like a big deal, but it's not. He likely got 12 games instead of 10 because follow-up game in Manhattan against K-State is the 11th game while Kansas has 13 regualr season games left. That is not a coicidence. This way De sousa and his teammates get a warm-up game in before the the XII playoffs and NCAA Tournamnet, i.e. making money time, begins. If Self and the XII were serious, especially when everything else around De sousa is taken into account, his career as a Jayhawk would be over. Imagien what would have happened if this wasn't a star Kansas baskteball or a regular student doing this. Even the local paper has had it.
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When you have a giant with Size 16 feet standing over you yelling and cussing at you as you lay on the ground helpless, you get nervous. The K State guys came at him because it appeared threatening and looked aggressive. I wasn’t a troublemaker, but if that happened on the court when I was playing my reaction would have been to get the guy all over my teammate away from him. It’s just instinct and adrenaline. Keep in mind these guys are generally 18-22 years old. The testosterone out there is flowing. That’s why taunting and instigating is illegal, it invites bigger problems, especially among young men.
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I was on the cheerleading team in the 2000s. I'm a wimp, but you're right in general. My teammates were absolute monsters.From what I could see on the tape, a guy in a suit, which I believe was a Kansas assistant coach, takes the chair out of De sousa's hands and you can see the surprise on the player's face when the chair is taken away. That was fortunate for him as getting into a brawl at a basketball game is one thing. Swinging a chair at someone is a criminal assault charge, which woudl have ended his career in Kansas and likely cost him millions in the NBA draft, not to mention the possibility of really hurting someone.
PS - Any one see the U Kansas male cheerleaders muscle their way in and seperate the two groups. I know a couple of the male cheerleaders at UConn back in the day and, trust me, no one wanted to mess with them. They were totally jacked.
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Nervous? No way. I bet he felt not one shred of fear for his safety.
This is basketball. Softest collection of hardos going. When's the last true basketball brawl you've seen? (hint: this doesn't qualify) How often?
He was pissed because the guy made him look like a bitch. KState came at him because he pulled a dick move. And yeah, you back up your guy, but there's better ways to go about it. Hope those suspensions were worth it.
Yes I get ego and adrenaline and all that were involved. Sweet suspension I guess
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We don’t hate UNC just the fact they committed academic fraud but were unpunished. Where we on the other hand were held to a retroactive interpretation of a very odd rule.
As a result we were suspended for a year from post season , suffered a wholesale desertion and even were banned from the final Old Big East Tournament
We were already being punished for the same violation by loss of scholarship.
Oh please. He could have walked away right after the block, right after a brief stare, right after the first shove, right after the stool was taken out of his hands, but he didn't. He kept searching for that always elusive "respect".
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Big12 is fn hilarious with just 4 guys being suspended and McCormack just 2 games. Guess they missed him kicking a KState Guy on the ground after multiple cheap shots? Also DeSousa should never be wearing a college basketball uniform again.
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I thought that too at first till I saw the full video. The KS kid stole the ball at the end of the game and was going for a meaningless layup. Very unsportsmanlike. De Sousa chased him down and blocked the shot, and yes stood over him as if asking him was he freakin crazy trying that dumb shiat (the taunt). Then the fun started.
Just saying the steal of the ball (think Hilton) initiated the whole thing. And De Sousa appears like someone who doesn't need much of a trigger to ignite.
I don't blame De Sousa for standing over that kid, (putting him in his place) it was a conference opponent pulling that crap. In the heat of the moment, I would have done the same thing to that KS punk.
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NBA Draft? For averaqing 2.6 and 2.8? Really?From what I could see on the tape, a guy in a suit, which I believe was a Kansas assistant coach, takes the chair out of De sousa's hands and you can see the surprise on the player's face when the chair is taken away. That was fortunate for him as getting into a brawl at a basketball game is one thing. Swinging a chair at someone is a criminal assault charge, which woudl have ended his career in Kansas and likely cost him millions in the NBA draft, not to mention the possibility of really hurting someone.
PS - Any one see the U Kansas male cheerleaders muscle their way in and seperate the two groups. I know a couple of the male cheerleaders at UConn back in the day and, trust me, no one wanted to mess with them. They were totally jacked.
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"Who started it" doesn't matter. Each player that left their bench individually decided to join a brawl, and they should all be suspended. Same goes for those guys wearing the K State polos. I don't care if one or both teams forfeit games.
De Sousa is averaging 8 minutes, 2 points and 3 rebounds a game in his sophomore year. We all know that if De Sousa was playing 30 minutes a game and averaging 12 and 8 his suspension would be a lot shorter. Self is scape-goating a recruiting bust and will probably be kicking the kid off the team soon to "send a message" when he really is doing it because tossing De Sousa solves a bunch of problems for Self.
This "punishment" is a joke.
De Sousa is averaging 8 minutes, 2 points and 3 rebounds a game in his sophomore year. We all know that if De Sousa was playing 30 minutes a game and averaging 12 and 8 his suspension would be a lot shorter. Self is scape-goating a recruiting bust and will probably be kicking the kid off the team soon to "send a message" when he really is doing it because tossing De Sousa solves a bunch of problems for Self.
This "punishment" is a joke.
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The high road would have been to let the kid score the basket then with the time left set up a play and run it.
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Yancy Gates got six games and he busted a dudes eye open and swung on two others. Was the Big East protecting their own?
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Yeah but I didn't know a high road existed until I was in my mid-late twenties. I think the same still holds true for kids. Especially proud jocks.
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In fairness, the Big East was a man's league. The fact they didn't allow fighting a la hockey was criminal.
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Thats why kids have coaches
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Lol, I'm glad you enjoy it. I trot it out whenever anyone tries to portray Self as "Father Flanagan."
I think you are underselling Self and Kansas. The amount, severity and consistency of events are something special.
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And when UConn got caught, we got banned from post-season play in the middle of conference realignment that significantly impacted the UConn brand's appeal to other conferences. Meanwhile in Lawrence, we're still waiting for the NCAA to do anything after being caught several times...
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Got caught? You mean got caught... by a rule change, that was applied retroactively, for which we had already been punished, and in order to do so they refused to consider our current APR which would have shown we were in compliance.
That's ex post facto, double jeopardy, and maybe a little Brady violation all rolled into one.
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You tell me I don’t know anything about it whatsoever?
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