James Wiseman ruled ineligible

[Rico444]

Also as the Daily Memphian, a Memphis paper, has pointed out Penny, who is a millionaire 80 or 90 times over, has financially helped hundreds maybe thousands of Memphians over the years. Under the existing NCAA rule all of those who received help and their families are now ineligible to play at Memphis. There seems to be something slightly wacky about that

It's a gigantic recruiting edge. There's no getting around that.

 

[BFieldHusky]

So Jay Bilas on Sportscenter talked about the potential consequences of Memphis playing Wiseman last night. He said there is a bylaw that states that Memphis can be ruled ineligible for the postseason if it is found to have played an ineligible player. He thinks the NCAA may go to federal court next week and that is pretty shocking that Memphis played him last night, even with the court order.

 

[MemphisBlues]

I doubt Wiseman's lawyers will be arguing their case within the framework of the NCAA rules. I would think they would argue that the rules, as applied to their client, are unjust. And in addition, that the rules, as they are applied generally, are applied unequally. I know personally I've seen too many Blue Bloods both in football and basketball get away with stuff that a program like G5 Memphis would hang for. Sporting News has an article about the "strict liability" ruling and the fact that Memphis fans have no taste for a repeat. Decourcy caught the mood. There's a lot of support for the Memphis position in the city right now. So no matter the outcome there's a general feeling that were fighting the good fight

 

[superjohn]

So Jay Bilas on Sportscenter talked about the potential consequences of Memphis playing Wiseman last night. He said there is a bylaw that states that Memphis can be ruled ineligible for the postseason if it is found to have played an ineligible player. He thinks the NCAA may go to federal court next week and that is pretty shocking that Memphis played him last night, even with the court order.

Memphis has been a cesspool since the 70's, so are most of the big progams but they're a commuter school and they will always be treated as such. Penny is the golden boy, how he responds to scrutiny will be interesting. My guess is it will be a "the world is out to get me routine"...clearly I'm not a fan. We can't get out of this conference soon enough.

 

[intlzncster]

Penny made a 2008 donation to the school. That, according to the NCAA, made him a booster in 2017.

If he's an alum, he's a booster. The fact that he gave big money only slam dunks it.

 

[intlzncster]

We all wondered how Penny landed so many good players - now we know.

Nobody really wondered.

First recruiting pic:

 

[mauconnfan]

I doubt Wiseman's lawyers will be arguing their case within the framework of the NCAA rules. I would think they would argue that the rules, as applied to their client, are unjust. And in addition, that the rules, as they are applied generally, are applied unequally. I know personally I've seen too many Blue Bloods both in football and basketball get away with stuff that a program like G5 Memphis would hang for. Sporting News has an article about the "strict liability" ruling and the fact that Memphis fans have no taste for a repeat. Decourcy caught the mood. There's a lot of support for the Memphis position in the city right now. So no matter the outcome there's a general feeling that were fighting the good fight

You’re out of your mind with all this support. Let us have our discussions on this topic on our board as we get where you stand. As ridiculous as you sound you are a Memphis fan I get it. But just know you’re rooting for a cheater period. Enjoy whatever the results are I hope we do too.

 

[superjohn]

Nobody really wondered.

First recruiting pic:

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Nothing wrong with some ego but Penny walked into this whole deal with too much of it. Picking fights and big balling on insta is too heavy. Memphis has a past.

 

[ClifSpliffy]

round up all the lawyers for both sides, dress them up in three piece suits and high heels, and play a one game winner-takes-all for the kids' eligibility. slap a cage and some peach baskets on that outdoor court (cuz of the shoe thing) for an old-timey feel, maybe broadcast it in black and white, too. when memphis wins (that town can ball), do big screen close-ups of the ncaa losers slinking away, as they return to their day jobs of inventing new ways of stick it to us. (I heard that there is a whole floor at ncaa hq dedicated to UConn inspectors. four rings recently for the guys, and, like every ring for the girls? that don't fit the script! how dare we?) and, why does this whole thing and its' timing feel like nothing more than an ncaa publicity grab? ohhh, right, right ,right 'harrumpf, we ah concerned with tha in-tegg-grah-tee of our hallowed spawht.' yeah, sure.

 

[GemParty]

Crazy idea. Kid declared ineligible. Games are all erased from the records. Memphis gets to like 4-0. Their season is messed up. They feature & play the kid the rest of the season anyway. All eyes on them, the kid, and their program.

Then they play the victim as they miss the tournaments, yet should have been in. What’s the downside? Is a kid like Precious mad or grateful to be on the most talked about team in sport?

 

[huskymedic]

>>The NCAA’s response was actually somewhat insightful, even by their covert standards. The NCAA’s eligibility and enforcement arms are branded as the bad cops, but they pride themselves on cooperating with schools to give them the best information whether or not to play players for varying issues. The NCAA made it clear that they warned Memphis by saying in a statement: “The University of Memphis was notified that James Wiseman is likely ineligible. The university chose to play him, and ultimately is responsible for ensuring its student-athletes are eligible to play.”

What would the repercussions be? Check out the potential penalties below, and it’s curious that Memphis would take a risk to play Wiseman against lowly UIC for penalties that range from forfeited games to potentially having to sit out the postseason. The tough question for Rudd here is why you’d risk the postseason for the rest of your current players if Wiseman is, indeed, deemed ineligible.

“If you play a kid under a temporary injunction, and it’s later found to not be permanent, these are the risks you run institutionally,” Brown said.

 

[MemphisBlues]

Question, why isn't the NCAA going after Alex Lomax? Penny provided a shelter, food, and a home to Alex when he had none. Those are certainly benefits no? Lomax then came and play for Penny. Just curious, why isn't the NCAA also going after Lomax?

 

[zls44]

One of Wiseman's attorneys ask the question what does a 2008 donation have to do with James Wiseman? He was 8 years old at the time. I think this helps you see what direction they plan on going. After the ncaa's "strict liability" ruling against Memphis back in 2008 - a NCAA standard not used buy them before or since, I don't think Memphis is going to roll over on this one.

It wasn't 2008. It was 2018. Woj made a typo as has been explained many times.


The ncaa stinks but this is an open and shut blatant violation. It's not even debatable.

 

[mauconnfan]

Question, why isn't the NCAA going after Alex Lomax? Penny provided a shelter, food, and a home to Alex when he had none. Those are certainly benefits no? Lomax then came and play for Penny. Just curious, why isn't the NCAA also going after Lomax?

You tell us?

 

[superjohn]

Question, why isn't the NCAA going after Alex Lomax? Penny provided a shelter, food, and a home to Alex when he had none. Those are certainly benefits no? Lomax then came and play for Penny. Just curious, why isn't the NCAA also going after Lomax?

You're duck***.

 

[ClifSpliffy]

'committee on infarctions?' let's take a look in:

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

The kid got paid by
1. High school coach to transfer in
2. A booster
3. His college coach

regardless if it’s the same guy that’s 3 separate violations in my opinion.

 

[wheelerdog]

I hope Wiseman and Memphis win this case. The NCAA can go pound sand.

 

[intlzncster]

The fun part is going to be watching Memphis contort itself to say that this was a totally unrelated/private transaction between Hardaway and the Wiseman family and not related to securing his commitment to Memphis.

Trust in Les Ballin.

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

Also as the Daily Memphian, a Memphis paper, has pointed out Penny, who is a millionaire 80 or 90 times over, has financially helped hundreds maybe thousands of Memphians over the years. Under the existing NCAA rule all of those who received help and their families are now ineligible to play at Memphis. There seems to be something slightly wacky about that

The term Memphibians only makes it more slimy

 

[intlzncster]

So Jay Bilas on Sportscenter talked about the potential consequences of Memphis playing Wiseman last night. He said there is a bylaw that states that Memphis can be ruled ineligible for the postseason if it is found to have played an ineligible player. He thinks the NCAA may go to federal court next week and that is pretty shocking that Memphis played him last night, even with the court order.

You don't usually see a school take the risk by playing a kid. Just look to UConn's examples (eg Boatright sitting until eligibility is worked out). They were basically giving a big fyou to the NCAA.

 

[intlzncster]

Source? I never heard that about Taurasi. I don’t even think they are from the same country.

He was born in Italy, but raised in Argentina. Spoke Spanish, not Italian. Geno's dad spoke Italian, and not English.

It's so far off, I can't even imagine this is an internet rumor.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

You don't usually see a school take the risk by playing a kid. Just look to UConn's examples (eg Boatright sitting until eligibility is worked out). They were basically giving the finger to the NCAA.

But, UConn did not try and sue the current head of the NCAA for gross misconduct, which was true, and then have to win a national title after being slapped for rules violations twice. That's why UConn got hit with a post-season ban while Memphis will lose 1 scholarship for the season.

 

[intlzncster]

I doubt Wiseman's lawyers will be arguing their case within the framework of the NCAA rules. I would think they would argue that the rules, as applied to their client, are unjust. And in addition, that the rules, as they are applied generally, are applied unequally. I know personally I've seen too many Blue Bloods both in football and basketball get away with stuff that a program like G5 Memphis would hang for. Sporting News has an article about the "strict liability" ruling and the fact that Memphis fans have no taste for a repeat. Decourcy caught the mood. There's a lot of support for the Memphis position in the city right now. So no matter the outcome there's a general feeling that were fighting the good fight

Yeah, but a court can't decide what's just or unjust about NCAA rules. The presidents of the schools that make up the NCAA are responsible for that.

The NCAA's rules are what they are. You break them, you lose. Unless you are Duke et al. No argument from me that the rules are usually crap or that the NCAA is usually unfair. We've landed our share of BS rulings in the past.

 

[auror]

Question, why isn't the NCAA going after Alex Lomax? Penny provided a shelter, food, and a home to Alex when he had none. Those are certainly benefits no? Lomax then came and play for Penny. Just curious, why isn't the NCAA also going after Lomax?

The NCAA has very clear exceptions for pre-existing or necessary relationships. High school coaches and non-family guardians/long-standing friends/teammates families, etc. are allowed to provide common and reasonable living expenses including housing, food, etc. to athletes while retaining the athletes eligibility.

For Wiseman, paying his family to move across the country to join a team for basketball reasons is not a necessary living expense. As to your question about all the kids Penny has provided support for: as long as Penny dd not provide support to them for reasons because they were an athlete, it's fine. Also would be fine if it falls under the Lomax situation above. It's only wrong by NCAA rules if it's because of potential prospect reasons.

As to Wiseman not knowing, the NCAA does not care. They are a private institution and there are plenty of alternatives for Wiseman to play basketball and get scout exposure. Wiseman signed up knowing the NCAA rules forbid boosters to pay families (even without prospect knowledge). He agreed to allow the NCAA to check if he had followed their rules to be eligible and deal with the consequences if he was not.

 

[huskymedic]

Yeah, but a court can't decide what's just or unjust about NCAA rules.The presidents of the schools that make up the NCAA are responsible for that

This can’t be stressed enough... if the universities don’t like the rules - they are the ones that can enact the change.

>>NCAA Board of Governors - The Board of Governors is the highest governance body in the NCAA and is composed of institutional chief executive officers that oversee Association-wide issues. The board is charged with ensuring that each division operates consistently with the basic purposes, fundamental policies and general principles of the Association.<<

Board of Governors roster

It’s cool to pound the NCAA (and Emmert gets paid boodles of money by the University presidents to play the role of piñata) - but the schools are the NCAA.

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

Those Memphis futures bets must have caused at least one sleepless night since every ticket makes reference to...

 

[gampelcrazies]

I don’t get why Memphis played him. This is 100% a violation. There’s not a chance they win this case

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

I don’t get why Memphis played him. This is 100% a violation. There’s not a chance they win this case

The same reason Penny has ever done anything: attention.

 

[UconnU]

I don’t get why Memphis played him. This is 100% a violation. There’s not a chance they win this case

And it’s against a team they would have destroyed without him. And they are still a contender without him. Makes no sense.