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James Wiseman ruled ineligible

What happens in Tennessee stays in Tennessee. Nashville to Memphis, no problem. Hard to believe that costs 12k down there. LOL
 
Wouldn't Memphis have to forfeit this win if Wiseman's ineligibility is ultimately upheld? Surprised they're having him play tonight.

You know what UConn would do? They would hold him out. Who was the player a few years ago who UConn held out the first few games as a precaution because the NCAA was supposedly cracking down on the academics from prep schools? It was someone really good. Most of the other schools didn't care and played their freshmen players from prep schools. But not UConn. And of course nothing ever happened to any of the players and the whole thing went away quietly. I remember being pretty pissed about it.
 
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Interesanteeee

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Penny made a 2008 donation to the school. That, according to the NCAA, made him a booster in 2017.
 
NCAA should come down HARD on Memphis or it's gonna become a free-for-all. Their decision to blatantly ignore the NCAA recommendations could set a horrible precedent. They should forfeit their first two wins and have additional penalties slapped on. It's just laughable that it's gonna happen to Memphis and not the UNC's, Duke's, and Arizona's, but we should expect nothing less.

We all wondered how Penny landed so many good players - now we know.
 
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Penny and Memphis might just continue to send a big “screw you” to the NCAA and play him anyway. And honestly, I’m with that, the NCAA is a clown show, Arizona, Kansas, UNC, Louisville should all be getting punished and it’s weird to me how fast NCAA acted on Memphis and not these other programs. And how these others programs got full seasons without dealing with repercussions. I think Memphis knows this and is just done with their crap. I’m not really sure just speaking my mind
 
I want to post my feelings on all of this but I’m too confused and at the same time it all makes sense. What in the heeeeeelllll
 
MemphisBlues said:
Penny made a 2008 donation to the school. That, according to the NCAA, made him a booster in 2017.
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The fact that he’s the most famous athlete to graduate from the school should do that anyway.
Role of Boosters. He clearly promoted the school’s athletic interests.

Here’s the real question, was he already in discussion to become the coach? If so, that’s a problem for Memphis. If not, I think he can argue he did it for the HS team he coached, with no expectation to benefit Memphis. If he was already negotiating to become the coach, I think Wiseman is going to be ineligible.
 
Let this sink in.....

Penny didn't even make it through his first summer without screwing his compliance department by forgetting to tell them that he spent $12,000 relocating a prospect closer to his AAU and high school coaching gigs.

This guy spent $12G on a prospect to help him win games that didn't even matter....wonder what he plans on spending at Memphis?!
 
MemphisBlues said:
The NCAA ruled that based on a 2008 donation by Penny to the University of Memphis he remained a booster in 2017 we need help with Wiseman moving expenses while his AAU coach. That's where the confusion with 2008 and 2017 come in.
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Now we know why Memphis can be punished. The money went to Wiseman from a booster. If the payment had been brokered by a coach, as happens at Duke and Kentucky and Kansas and Arizona, no problem. Penny should have waited until Memphis hired him to make the payment.
 
HuskyHawk said:
The fact that he’s the most famous athlete to graduate from the school should do that anyway.
Role of Boosters. He clearly promoted the school’s athletic interests.

Here’s the real question, was he already in discussion to become the coach? If so, that’s a problem for Memphis. If not, I think he can argue he did it for the HS team he coached, with no expectation to benefit Memphis. If he was already negotiating to become the coach, I think Wiseman is going to be ineligible.
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The fun part is going to be watching Memphis contort itself to say that this was a totally unrelated/private transaction between Hardaway and the Wiseman family and not related to securing his commitment to Memphis.
 
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Can’t believe they suited him up vs Illinois Chicago knowing the ramifications. Hubris at its finest.
 
Here is Memphis' position. They're, Memphis, complying with the court order naming them as one of the defendants. The NCAA is the other defendant. Wiseman is the plaintiff. Until the hearing or that court order is reversed it will continue to comply with it. On Wiseman's side he is contending he is being harmed by the NCAA and he, personally, had no involvement in the reimbursement of moving expenses. Wiseman contends, and there's no evidence showing otherwise, that he was unaware of any of that. Still, despite there be no evidence of any wrongdoing on the part of Wiseman he is the one being punished with eligibility by the NCAA. This could cause great harm to Wiseman. Zion's one year at Duke greatly enhanced his value - both shoe deals in otherwise. Wiseman's likely position is the NCAA is causing him harm despite the fact he played no role in any alleged violation. Because he is the plaintiff I'm sure his lawyers will argue something like this at least in part. That NCAA rules are unethical when it comes to innocent parties like this - especially the athletes. In my opinion, his case has the potential to lead to fundamental rule changes in how the NCAA conducts its "business."
 
MemphisBlues said:
Here is Memphis' position. They're, Memphis, complying with the court order naming them as one of the defendants. The NCAA is the other defendant. Wiseman is the plaintiff. Until the hearing or that court order is reversed it will continue to comply with it. On Wiseman's side he is contending he is being harmed by the NCAA and he, personally, had no involvement in the reimbursement of moving expenses. Wiseman contends, and there's no evidence showing otherwise, that he was unaware of any of that. Still, despite there be no evidence of any wrongdoing on the part of Wiseman he is the one being punished with eligibility by the NCAA. This could cause great harm to Wiseman. Zion's one year at Duke greatly enhanced his value - both shoe deals in otherwise. Wiseman's likely position is the NCAA is causing him harm despite the fact he played no role in any alleged violation. Because he is the plaintiff I'm sure his lawyers will argue something like this at least in part. That NCAA rules are unethical when it comes to innocent parties like this - especially the athletes. In my opinion, his case has the potential to lead to fundamental rule changes in how the NCAA conducts its "business."
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Sure, buddy. Memphis can unilaterally decide to not play him, the TRO would only be on the NCAA decision that he is ineligible. And Penny paying to move him 2 years ago was done without his knowledge? That only works for Cam Newton's dad, if I recall.
 
That pays for his rims. I've been pretty open about waiting for Penny's flame out. There are not that many people I think are flat out jerks, I think Penny is a mild manner jerk. He can fool you, I'm not a fan at all.
 
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One of Wiseman's attorneys ask the question what does a 2008 donation have to do with James Wiseman? He was 8 years old at the time. I think this helps you see what direction they plan on going. After the ncaa's "strict liability" ruling against Memphis back in 2008 - a NCAA standard not used buy them before or since, I don't think Memphis is going to roll over on this one.
 
HuskeyinSC said:
It was 11 years ago. The kid was 7 years old and wasn't considered an eligible recruit at that time. The NCAA says you can't recruit anyone until they are in high school. Isn't there some statute limitations here. We could be in trouble here because Geno's dad help DT's uncle move to the states. The NCAA is ridiculous.
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Source? I never heard that about Taurasi. I don’t even think they are from the same country.
 
Also as the Daily Memphian, a Memphis paper, has pointed out Penny, who is a millionaire 80 or 90 times over, has financially helped hundreds maybe thousands of Memphians over the years. Under the existing NCAA rule all of those who received help and their families are now ineligible to play at Memphis. There seems to be something slightly wacky about that:-)
 
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