Ice Brady out for the season

[tkaes]

If you're going to question Huddy's training methods you must analyze her work over the years in all of the places she was employed. You can't just look at her years at UCONN because there can be so many factors which contribute to injuries as many have stated. You have to look at the injury experience throughout her career.

Huddy is not just someone who hung out a shingle and wandered in to Storrs off of the street. I suspect (but of course only have her credentials and experience to judge) that there is no substantive correlation between her training methods and the injuries that have occurred on her watch.

KingKong139 - I'm curious. Why did you dislike this post? Is it because it challenges your speculation that there is a correlation between injuries and the UCONN trainer without any substantiation on your part? I realize I did not provide any substantiation to back my opinion but I specifically said it was a guess. You stated that there clearly was a correlation between the trainer and the injury frequency.

You are free to dislike my post but I think you should justify your conclusions with fact if you're that insistent that you're correct.

 

[wbbfjlf]

Another article from Hospital for Special Surgery: Patellofemoral Instability| Kneecap & Knee Joint Problems

 

[KingKong139]

You do know that Azzi Fudd's foot condition existed before her arrival at UConn, right? What was the serious injury she suffered?

You do know that Caroline Ducharme's hip condition existed before her arrival at UConn, right? What was the serious injury she suffered? She missed a few games last season due to a concussion but no games due to the hip issue that required surgery during the off-season.

You do know that Dorka was hit going up for a shot during a game and landed on her wrist which was then fractured, right? How would training prevent that?

To play devils advocate with your reasoning, can we attribute Christyn ACL to time at UConn then? It did occur on her very first day with Washington…..it can’t go both ways.

 

[AmeriConn]

I have absolutely no information about how this injury came about, but my suspicion is that somehow Nika was involved.

What????? I don’t find that a bit humorous.

 

[UConnCat]

To play devils advocate with your reasoning, can we attribute Christyn ACL to time at UConn then? It did occur on her very first day with Washington…..it can’t go both ways.

Sorry, but what you're suggesting makes no sense and has nothing to do with any reasoning I've employed.

I was simply pointing out that neither Azzi nor Caroline experienced a specific event at UConn that resulted in an injury. They both have conditions (foot/hip) that began before they arrived at UConn and are the result of overuse. Christyn tore her ACL which typically involves an event -- planting the leg, cutting, landing awkwardly, etc. But sure, we can blame UConn for that one too.

 

[bballnut90]

I think it's very short sighted to question the training staff or practices when looking at UCONN's injuries, or assume UCONN is experiencing far more injuries than any other program. From an outsider perspective, I've thought this was always an area where UCONN has historically excelled in that the majority of their stars and prized recruits have had healthy careers where they were always healthy in March and avoided season ending injuries (ex. Stewart, Jefferson, Taurasi, Moore, Charles, Collier, KLS, etc.). In the last 20 years I believe Bueckers is the only All-American caliber player who they've lost to a season ending injury. That's a pretty good track record.

Furthermore, if you look around the country there are several teams every year that get decimated by injury. I follow Tennessee more closely than most and they've had many serious injuries to their best players (Catchings, Parker, Russell, Hornbuckle, Harrison, Burrell, Massengale) and a slew of other role players getting injured and having to redshirt or miss the end of the season. Notre Dame had 4 players out with ACLs I believe in 2018. Vandy is down 3 starters to start this year. There will be many other season ending injuries ahead. It's part of the game unfortunately and it seems to be more prevelant on the womens side. I wish Brady a fast and full recovery.

 

[VA Huskie]

Most definitely some bad luck for the UConn football team and for the UConn women. Let's look at the WBB team:

Paige: torn acl. Unfortunately, this happens too often in women's basketball. Before Paige who was the last UConnWBB player to tear her acl? I can't even remember.

Azzi: foot injury that existed before her arrival at UConn. Azzi tore her acl while in high school.

Ducharme: hip injury which existed before her arrival at UConn

Dorka: fell awkwardly and landed on her wrist. Could proper training prevent that from happening?

Aubrey: back disc surgery. Does anyone know enough about Aubrey's anatomy to say that could have been prevented? I know people who've had back surgery and didn't even play sports.

Ice: dislocated patella. Last WBB player I recall this happening to was Chelsea Gray at Duke. She then fractured the same patella the following season. Several NBA players have had this injury over the years. Happened to NFL Quarterback Patrick Mahomes.

Who else am I missing? Christyn tore her acl during training camp with the Mystics. Are we to blame that on UConn's training too?

UConnWBB had a really good stretch of being injury free while other teams had the injury bug.

Well said. I have no data, but I remember thinking a couple of years ago that it seemed like we’d gone quite some time with few, if any, major injuries. Sadly, that period is over.

 

[Big Mick]

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This thread parallels other threads as to which group a commenter falls into.


There are three groups:

1) A group that understands sports and injuries; they offer support and encouragement.

2) A group that doesn't understand the injury aspect: they lament that the season is over.

3) A group that knocks UCONN anytime they see a chance; by doing that, they think it would benefit their team. Or, worse case, they just want to throw shade on the standard bearer in Women's College Basketball.


Think about it: where do you fall?

 

[UConnCat]

I think it's very short sighted to question the training staff or practices when looking at UCONN's injuries, or assume UCONN is experiencing far more injuries than any other program. From an outsider perspective, I've thought this was always an area where UCONN has historically excelled in that the majority of their stars and prized recruits have had healthy careers where were always healthy in March and avoided season ending injuries (ex. Stewart, Jefferson, Taurasi, Moore, Charles, Collier, KLS, etc.). In the last 20 years I believe Bueckers is the only All-American caliber player who they've lost to a season ending injury.

Furthermore, if you look around the country there are several teams every year that get decimated by injury. I follow Tennessee more closely than most and they've had many serious injuries to their best players (Catchings, Parker, Hornbuckle, Harrison, Burrell, Massengale) and a slew of other role players getting injured and having to redshirt or miss the end of the season. Notre Dame too experienced this with 4 players having ACLs I believe in 2018. Vandy is down 3 starters to start the year. There were be many other season ending injuries ahead. It's part of the game unfortunately and it seems to be more prevelant on the womens side. I wish Brady a fast and full recovery.

It's really been a remarkable run. Svetlana went down in February 2001 and of course Shea in the BET finals in March 2001.

I think the last UConn player to tear her ACL was Brianna Banks in 2013. Tuck had knee issues that were more chronic in nature and she did miss some time.

 

[oldhusky]

This is so very, very true. I've been amazed over the years I've watched the team closely how lucky they've been up until the last couple of years. So much so that I'd been afraid to comment lest I jinx things. Well, I guess the injury bug has hit us...hopefully things will return to a more "normal" situation soon. And there's hardly a kid left on the floor who hasn't been hurt, had surgery, etc. Gonna be a challenging year for sure.

It seems to me that most years, the very top teams heading into the season can often sustain an injury and still be a championship contender. Their odds may shift from one of the favorites to more of a longshot, but they can still have enough hope to keep that dream somewhat alive. We are generally in that position year end and year out, with last year being an example.

Then there are quite a few teams that have a longshot chance if everything goes their way, they don't suffer major injuries, other programs do, and they pull off a couple of upsets in the tournament. The hopes of those teams rely on no bad news. An injury, like to Paige or Ice pretty much ends their championship aspirations.

We have had healthy and unhealthy years since the first championship, but it seems to me that even when bad luck happened, we still generally had some chance at the big prize. Maybe that wasn't true for part of the period between Dianna and Maya, but the consistency of being a contender in good times and bad is pretty remarkable. That generally means being on paper one of the top 2 or 3 teams heading into the season, which we have been with great regularity.

 

[VA Huskie]

I still think we could be dangerous this season, assuming no major injury to one of our 4 main guards, but the injuries to Paige and Ice create a scenario where however we finish, probably no team will have the quality of additions next year than Uconn will have. We have a recruiting class that will be among the best with KK, Ashlynn and Q, plus Paige and Ice added to the mix, while waiting to hear if El Alfy could lift our recruiting class to the best.

If we get her that would be 6 major additions, all of which were very high recruits except for Q who was still pretty high. We lose Dorka and Lou, maybe Aubrey, but there will be no more Boston at SC or Jones at Stanford among others, so on paper I think we should be the top ranked team heading into next year if we are anywhere near the top this year.

We’ll you my friend, certainly know how to see the glass as being half full!

 

[Jim]

What????? I don’t find that a bit humorous.

It was in a collision with Nika that Aaliyah broke her nose. Just pure speculation on the most recent incident.

 

[GEAinAustin]

Feel terrible for the young lady. The accusations, cause and conditions, border on being libelous. If next week , next month, or in February, multiple injuries occur, who is to blame? I'm in a high stakes football fantasy league and have lost 5 players to injury in this early season. Should I have known that their trainers and conditioning people were inadequate in their techniques ? When I take long walk and tear my Achilles tendon, maybe I'll cast blame on UConn's training techniques, that's how outrageous some of these cause and effect statements are. Injuries in sports, are as common as breathing.

 

[cgshuskie]

Anyone who played serious sports knows that injuries happen, often unexpectedly, and are a part of the game or sport. I'm so sorry for Ice and wish her a strong recovery. My heart breaks for the Uconn team. Stay strong Huskies and don't give up.

 

[Forego]

First, all the best to Ice and hopes for a quick recovery.
I am surprised that no one has mentioned the possibility that the increase in the number of injuries (across all levels of basketball) could be the result of not giving the players sufficient time off between the venues. The players move from high school ball to training camps, to AAU, to tryouts for national junior teams, to college preseason practices, to the college schedule with continuous practices, to post season tournaments. The survivors may then get a week or so off before WNBA tryouts and then enter into a compressed pro season of two or three games a week. Then to make ends meet they play overseas. The WNBA players who played in the FIFA championships this year complained about getting no time off between venues and their concern over potential injuries. The players need more time off to let the body recover. The players need to lighten their training and playing time. The WNBA needs protect their players and cough up the bucks so their players don’t need to play overseas. They should take a page from horse racing and protect their athletes. Workouts for horses are not harder than the actual races and the number of races that graded stakes horses appear in each year are minimized.

 

[SVCBeercats]

UConn has more injuries then other teams, period. When do we start to question the training methods and preventive steps being taken?

Oh yeah! Keep using the Cross-Fit conditioning techniques and cripple the whole team. UCONN needs another condition program at least or possibly a new conditioning coach.

 

[stamfordhusky]

UConn has more injuries then other teams, period. When do we start to question the training methods and preventive steps being taken?

That,s complete nonsense. Not at all factual.

 

[BBallF]

I haven't seen a definitive version of when and where and how it happened and we may not get one. No amount of "proper" training will guard against a traumatically induced dislocation. Was it at practice and just happened so it can be related to stress and repetitive movements or at the scrimmage where there was contact? No matter when, where or how, this is sickening. She is such a great kid.

 

[stamfordhusky]

@UConnCat - why dislike the post above? This is a very real question. This many injuries is just not even fathomable.

Many women.s teams, unfortunately, have as many injuries as UConn. You just don’t follow those teams.

 

[MilfordHusky]

With Ice's injury, Paige's latest injury, some concerns about Azzi, Aubrey's and Dorka's recovery, as well as injuries at other schools, it make me appreciate durability more than ever. I recall a player we had who showed up every day: played in all 154 games in her career, scored in double figures 150 times, and her team won 150 of those games. It's no wonder the fans in China called Maya the Invincible Queen.

 

[Urshurak]

Just unbelievable. Hope she gets better soon. It really is unreal. All teams deal with injuries, but wow does UConn seem to have their fair share and then some. Just unreal.

 

[willtalk]

It was mentioned that the players see entirely to much activity while they are in and even before they enter high scnool. Most work with personel trainers along with their AAU and high school schedules. They have no off time.

I would also add that UConn has been more fortunate that most in respect to losing players through injury. I could name a lot of teams that have had theri seasons disrupted by multiple injuries to key players. The odds probably are just catching up with UConn now for all the relative injury free seasons they have had in the past. The UConn fans are just not used to what many other fans bases have suffered. Most fans bases are not really aware of many of the problems other programs but their own are dealing with out side of their own conferences.

 

[UConnCat]

It was mentioned that the players see entirely to much activity while they are in and even before they enter high scnool. Most work with personel trainers along with their AAU and high school schedules. They have no off time.

I would also add that UConn has been more fortunate that most in respect to losing players through injury. I could name a lot of teams that have had theri seasons disrupted by multiple injuries to key players. The odds probably are just catching up with UConn now for all the relative injury free seasons they have had in the past. The UConn fans are just not used to what many other fans bases have suffered. Most fans bases are not really aware of many of the problems other programs but their own are dealing with out side of their own conferences.

Some of us fans have truly appreciated our good fortune while recognizing that the law of averages would catch up with the team eventually. The UConn aura of invincibility has been cracked and it's shocking to some fans.

The truth is we've dealt with this before though mostly during and even late in the season. Shea in 1997 and in 2001. Svetlana in 2001. Kalana and Mel in 2008. We've had good fortune since 2008 but not so much the past couple of years. It happens in sports.

I understand the disappointment; I feel it too. The lashing out and blame-game is what I don't understand. I guess that happens now in sports as well.

 

[WFFL]

wow. just wow , and so it begins. Without Ice we lose a few more games due to depth at post / posts who can stretch the defense.

 

[Zarathustra]

Another article from Hospital for Special Surgery: Patellofemoral Instability| Kneecap & Knee Joint Problems

Thank you for this additional reference. I'll share one more:
From Brad Scholewski, M.D. EdD. Associate Professor, Cincinnati Children's
Medical Center "FRACTURE FRIDAYS: The Worst Case of Osgood Schlatters Ever"
Hint: This case was not " Osgood Schlatters " ( a cause of knee pain in adolescents )
but an avulsion fracture of the patellar (knee cap ) tendon
from the Tibia bone ( the large weight bearing bone in the lower leg ). This reference was
found at: pemcincinnati.com/Blog/ Fracture-Fridays-The-Worst
Case-of-Osgood-Schlatters-Ever. Dr. Scholewski provides a brief differential diagnosis
explaination and explains that his patient had a patellar dislocation that was
displaced "upward" whereas the usual position of a "patellar dislocation" is to the side.
This discussion was apparently from a Friday"Orthopedic Rounds" at the hospital
which includes a brief discussion of patellar dislocations and some very nice XRAYS..
It is shared for those Boneyarders who are more medically inclined. I personally learned something.
I think this (could be) closer to what ICE suffer = not a normal "dislocation" but
a type of injury that requires surgery. Z

 

[sun]

Some elite athletes are like thoroughbreds that seem to be more physically prone to catastrophic injuries.
Others may try to accomplish too much for their bodies to handle & for their own good.
And then there are players who may be superior & not elite, but are more durable over the long term.
A coach can't figure that out in advance because when they're being recruited at a young age, they all seem to withstand the wear & tear just fine.

 

[Inthepaint]

Well good. Only UConnWBB fans bring the knives out at times like this.

Are we becoming like Yankee fans?
If the team doesn’t win it all we are not merely disappointed, but resentful.
If things don’t go right, we have to have a scalp or two to hang next to all the banners.
If you follow this line of unreason, the guy in charge of the whole shebang, whose initials are “G.A.”, should be the first to go.
I mean, what has he done for us lately?
By the way, this is sarcasm.
I think “G.A.” Is STILL the best bet to lead us back to the promised land.

 

[DrummerDee]

Well, I'm not sure why many feel compelled to lay blame anywhere. I sure she is devastated, as are her family and friends. I hope for a smooth recovery. I think we will be just fine. Sure, it would have been absolutely fantastic to have her on the floor, but we will be just fine.

 

[UCTitleTown]

Really? Ask the football board. There are 12 players out with injuries, almost all sustained in non-game situations

What's that as a percentage of the roster? Football is also a high contact sport. I don't think football is a good comparison. Also, female athletes are more prone to knee injuries than men to take the other side of the argument. Basically, I'm saying it's really hard to assign blame as long as the women's team trainers have knee muscle strengthening and flexibility as a core part of their regimen.

 

[TeamFirst!]

1. Brady's injury is not an ACL tear. How did you not know that?
2. Neither of Bueckers' injuries had anything to do with diving on the floor. Where did you come up with this?

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We were talking about the confluence of UCONN INJURIES but the nitwit nitpick boneyard continue to find it infinitely wise to waste our time nitpicking. And How do YOU know when Paige's injuries happened? The first knee injury was almost a complete mystery as we didn't see it until she was just walking down the floor. Do you think a knee cap injury happens with no contact at all? Unlikely. Or an ACL? Injuries in general often involve contact. Look at how they play. If the ball hits the floor they are taught to dive for it.