- Joined
- Aug 27, 2011
- Messages
- 5,056
- Reaction Score
- 19,784
Oh I know. I just wanted to see what a "good" offensive's team good shot to bad shot ratio would be. Want to see the two poles.
I’d probably cancel the Hurley presser
- Thread starter whaler11
- Start date
Oh I know. I just wanted to see what a "good" offensive's team good shot to bad shot ratio would be. Want to see the two poles.
Stainmaster
Occasionally Constructive
- Joined
- Aug 7, 2014
- Messages
- 21,996
- Reaction Score
- 41,453
The research is much appreciated, especially for those of us with short attention spans.
August_West
Conscience do cost
- Joined
- Aug 29, 2011
- Messages
- 51,436
- Reaction Score
- 90,551
What I'm in favor of, and what I'm opposed to, have absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the head coach of the UConn men's basketball team is accountable for who he decides to offer scholarships to, and how the program is impacted by those decisions. This isn't difficult to grasp.
I've never even met Cobb, Ollie is infinitely more qualified to determine if he warranted a scholarship, so my opinion is irrelevant. But he clearly made a mistake, and he owns it.
Aside from this silly strawman argument, I don't have a problem with him taking risks. When they work out, he gets the rewards and deserves the credit. When they don't, he owns that too.
August_West
Conscience do cost
- Joined
- Aug 29, 2011
- Messages
- 51,436
- Reaction Score
- 90,551
Stainmaster
Occasionally Constructive
- Joined
- Aug 7, 2014
- Messages
- 21,996
- Reaction Score
- 41,453
It's ridiculous to bash Ollie for making the kind of decision Calhoun was lauded for. The overall frustration with the program is understandable, but it's being egregiously misapplied.
.-.
What did I say that was "bashing" Ollie?
And Calhoun was criticized for his recruiting mistakes too. #NateMiles
edit @fleudslipcon care to explain what I said that was bashing Ollie? @August_West ? @UConnDan97
anyone?
Last edited:
August_West
Conscience do cost
- Joined
- Aug 29, 2011
- Messages
- 51,436
- Reaction Score
- 90,551
And explain why Cobb wasn’t worth the risk.
If he panned out, great.
If he didn’t pan out he was a troubled juco who we took a flyer on to fill holes deep in rotation. Meaning does anyone truly bemoan his loss from the team ? Has his absence hurt us? I could make a case we are better without him easily.
So why are we going to holding taking flyer like that against KO? It’s better than leaving a schoollie open or handing it to a walk on.
Cobb wasn’t recruited to be a superstar here.
Jackson , Durham, you want to place some stuff there on KO I’m with you. Those are players that are pieces of your overall philosophy and future.
Eric Cobb was a stop gap reach for a player with a little bit of experience for a team losing brimah and facey . Didn’t work out. No harm. no foul.
- Joined
- Dec 6, 2016
- Messages
- 4,634
- Reaction Score
- 12,319
Huh? I don't get it....They won that 72-55. They didn't hold depaul to 39...
Wrong.
Look I'm not saying it was the worst decision he's made. But it's yet another recruiting miss and yet another likely transfer in a growing list of misses and transfers. And I'd rather have an open scholarship, or give that scholly to a walk-on whose effort and attitude reflect the values that Ollie espouses, than give coaches yet another bullet to use to negatively recruit. Not to mention the type of attitude he seems to espouse can't be good for team chemistry.
So you can't say "no harm, no foul" unless you're refusing to hold Ollie accountable for his results.
And Kwintin Williams was the flyer meant to fill a hole deep in the rotation, Cobb was brought in to start.
- Joined
- Sep 16, 2011
- Messages
- 56,175
- Reaction Score
- 213,435
Taking a risk on a Caron Butler, Nate Miles or Doug Wrenn is a bit different than taking a risk on the #400th ranked kid that nobody else wanted out of Juco. To try and claim the coach isn't responsible for having an undermanned roster and scrambling to fill it with anyone with a pulse is insane. Ollie basically grabbed another kid based off of his dunk videos.
August_West
Conscience do cost
- Joined
- Aug 29, 2011
- Messages
- 51,436
- Reaction Score
- 90,551
Wait until I pull up the Cobb thread when he committed . This thread is going to get Lulzy
.-.
Stainmaster
Occasionally Constructive
- Joined
- Aug 7, 2014
- Messages
- 21,996
- Reaction Score
- 41,453
Texas Tech and Houston wanted him. Both programs are doing better than we are right now, TTU was in the Top 10 earlier this year and both may end up in the tournament.
More fake news from Littlejohn.
FfldCntyFan
Texas: Property of UConn Men's Basketball program
- Joined
- Aug 25, 2011
- Messages
- 15,551
- Reaction Score
- 62,112
Among the many problems with our current offense is that of the three players who can score, two (Larrier, Vital) more often than not think that once the ball in in their hands they are the one who is supposed to shoot it.
Add to this the fact that the third (Adams) feels the same way at times and that none of the three is consistently an efficient scorer, the offense becomes what we've seen too many times.
KO deserves blame for assembling this roster and (at least on my eyes) for not disciplining them when they play (as he calls it) hero ball.
Add to this the fact that the third (Adams) feels the same way at times and that none of the three is consistently an efficient scorer, the offense becomes what we've seen too many times.
KO deserves blame for assembling this roster and (at least on my eyes) for not disciplining them when they play (as he calls it) hero ball.
- Joined
- Sep 16, 2011
- Messages
- 56,175
- Reaction Score
- 213,435
You using the liljohn nickname is awesome. The most effeminate Millennial on the board, more pu$$ypower to you Menstrualmaster!
Speaking of fake news....have you found the quote where i bashed Ollie on the Cobb decision yet or nah?
ctchamps
We are UConn!! 6 >>>1!
- Joined
- Aug 24, 2011
- Messages
- 17,784
- Reaction Score
- 45,781
It was a damned if you do and damned if you don't decision to take a flyer on Cobb even if his off court behavior was not an issue.
The loss of Durham and Enoch necessitated a scramble for replacements and there were very few options available. I watched tapes of Cobb and thought it was a bad choice to make an offer. However I also knew that the team did not have a decent player at the center position. So it came down to five additional fouls for this season versus eliminating an available scholarship for next year.
I hate seeing kids not maturing but the outcome with Cobb's suspension could turn out to be the best of both lousy worlds. The season was most likely going to be horrible with or without him. There was very little chance Cobb would have tilted the outcome otherwise, but no one could know this with absolute certainty. His suspension most likely means next years scholarship will be open which makes the choice to have him on this years team more palatable. However there is still some harm if he doesn't keep his grades up. Stay tuned.
.-.
ctchamps
We are UConn!! 6 >>>1!
- Joined
- Aug 24, 2011
- Messages
- 17,784
- Reaction Score
- 45,781
That was misconstrued. But so is your philosophy.
- Joined
- Aug 29, 2015
- Messages
- 21,477
- Reaction Score
- 57,520
Ollie assembles the roster. If a player doesn't work out he deservedly receives most of the blame.
This isn't the NBA where you're coaching with the guys you have. Putting a roster together is more than half the battle.
My philosophy that a coach is accountable for the results of his decisions is misconstrued? Okay.
August_West
Conscience do cost
- Joined
- Aug 29, 2011
- Messages
- 51,436
- Reaction Score
- 90,551
I agree with much of your post but in the interest of accuracy (I like facts) Cobb committed before the end of last season sometime in March I believe. There was no inkling (at least publicly, but maybe internally the staff had one, and as I type it I think that maybe it was likely they did) that Enoch and Durham were leaving the team. We knew for sure we were losing Facey and Brimah, and even if Enoch and Durham stayed, neither of them did much to distinguish themselves as being front court anchors. If you go back to the thread on the day Cobb committed people were celebrating the fact we were finally getting a very wide body to bang inside with the likes of SMU and Cincinnati who in Fishy's words in that thread and I paraphrase: "finally we got someone who Cincinnati wont bounce around like a pinball inside" .
It was worth the risk. Even moreso with Durham and Enoch leaving.
It didnt pan out. Im ok with KO for trying to address a need we were all desperate for inside.
Stainmaster
Occasionally Constructive
- Joined
- Aug 7, 2014
- Messages
- 21,996
- Reaction Score
- 41,453
Get caught literally making stuff up and fly off the handle. Typical day at the office for you.
Stainmaster
Occasionally Constructive
- Joined
- Aug 7, 2014
- Messages
- 21,996
- Reaction Score
- 41,453
"Bash" may have been too strong a word. You got me. But I still maintain that criticizing him for taking someone with a history onto the team is unfair given Calhoun's attitude towards guys who got in trouble.
.-.
August_West
Conscience do cost
- Joined
- Aug 29, 2011
- Messages
- 51,436
- Reaction Score
- 90,551
its OK Ben Gordon was smacking a girl in 2003. We won a title in the next year. That is the crux of whether or not its worth taking a flyer on a player argument.
- Joined
- Dec 19, 2014
- Messages
- 1,563
- Reaction Score
- 7,926
Polley is more than capable of playing for this team. He’s very talented just virtually useless in our offense because he’s not able to create for himself off the bounce with his current skill set.
As to why he’s gone? Kid is wasting a year of eligibility to play 7 minutes a game while we lose. Ollie says he wants to play him more, yet doesn’t. The things Ollie says and does are so puzzling it’s truly troubling watching unfold.
I didn't say he shouldn't have tried, I said he swung and missed. Hindsight being what it is, I think we were better off doing what I posted earlier. But if you add all of his recent recruiting misses, then you have a program that is 0-14 against the Top 50 over the past 2 years. Saying that he owns the results of his recruiting efforts is simply holding him accountable for his performance.
I didn't do that either. I said there were obvious red flags, but I didn't say that was the reason it was a mistake. The fact is, he's stayed out of trouble off the court (I think). What I'm talking about is the selfish attitude that his behavior displayed then, and how it seems to be prevalent on the team today, and maybe while Cobb deserved a second shot, because of the make-up of our team, this was the wrong place at the wrong time.
I also said Ollie would have deserved the credit had it worked out, so I'm not opposed to taking risks. But the coach still owns the results, no matter the outcome.
This team appears to have had chemistry issues the past few years. They play selfishly. It's worse this year than it was last year. And recruiting guys who exhibit the kind of behavior that Cobb did was obviously a mistake. I didn't know it at the time, obviously Ollie didn't. But it was still a mistake, and it's okay to call it that. That's not bashing Ollie. That's not criticizing the philosophy of taking risks on players and giving them second chances. I believe in second chances. I also believe in accountability.
But @August_West is both arguing that it wasn't a mistake to recruit him AND arguing the team is better off without him. Then obviously it was a mistake. We could have recruited some other JUCO big man, kicked the tires on potential transfers, or spent that time recruiting HS big men.
Last edited:
- Joined
- Aug 27, 2011
- Messages
- 16,999
- Reaction Score
- 39,865
No, he ruined the program because coming off of that NC:
1) he had several recruiting failures, including both guys he didn't get and guys he did
2) players were not developed or not utilized well on the court
3) several of our more highly-rated recruits left the program because of #2
That's not what I said at all. In fact, I never even argued whether or not it was worth taking a flyer. You created that strawman.
I simply said the decision was a mistake. You think it was a good decision, even though you think the team is better off without him.
.-.