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Came to my mind first, before I read your postIs there any name that comes to mind faster than Jeter?
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Came to my mind first, before I read your postIs there any name that comes to mind faster than Jeter?
Eli Manning. Justin Tuck should have won one of the SB MVPs as it is. But had Assante Samuel not dropped a pick, and had Welker not dropped a catchable ball, Eli would have been a goat, not a hero. And had Gronk not gotten a high ankle sprain in the AFC Championship game, that SB likely would have turned out diffeeently as well. I believe both Giants teams were 9-7 wild cards that were both a hair away from not making the playoffs.
Yeah, how was Marino a bad person? Did he kick small dogs? Did he litter? Commit eugenics experiments on cats? I don't know what "bad person" means in this context
If he stayed with the Twins, you’d never know who Big Papi was. He couldn’t crack the lineup over Doug Mientkiewicz for like 5 years then went to the Sox and “weirdly” became Superman.
A part of Jeter that gets ignored constantly is that he played his entire career in a place where there is a long, long list of good players who folded like card tables under the pressure to win every year. He succeeded and did it with class.
Only other guy who put up similar numbers after age 35 was (drumroll)…Barry Bonds.Players get better over time, you know. The Twins made a gigantic blunder, period.
Ortiz also succeeded under pressure and did so with class.
The Ortiz example holds up as without being on a team that makes and wins multiple world series he never has the chance to be so clutch.Only other guy who put up similar numbers after age 35 was (drumroll)…Barry Bonds.
Brett Favre is so overrated it’s hilarious.
Come to think of it, the other fraud that went GB to NYJ is on the same list.
Back end of his career he had a lot of sub par years. He’s overrated, probably not hilariously overrated though.Hmmmm.. Here's Favre:
4th on all time yards, 4th all time touchdowns, 3 mvps, most consecutive games,
11 probowls, 2nd in all time wins
3rd all time in completions, a superbowl ring, top 10 in playoff wins
He is 1st all time in interceptions, we all know that, but if you have anything else as to why he's not only overrated but "hilariously overrated" you have the floor sir.
I can't wait for this
My Rivera comment was total joking. I was a Red Sox fan from the summer before I went to my first basketball game in the Field House to see Toby Kimball et al 60+ years ago. Semi-regrettably, I'd had my heart broken so many times that I'd pretty much given up following baseball by the time 2004 rolled around. So great was my loss aversion that I watched none of the ALCS 4 consecutive wins against the Yankees in real time. Doh. But honestly only sort of. The trauma was real, and times, people, and priorities change.I'm a Sox fan too and I would say that most of us think Varitek was overpaid by the team--especially in the later years--but we didn't give a hoot because it was not our money and we were happy to have him around.
Rivera was legit underrated, my sphincter tightened up every time he came in the game against us. We got him a few times, but that doesn't change anything.
The team was riding Rivera's coattails, not the other way around. It's no coincidence that the NYY outperformed their Pythagorean wins estimate every year Rivera was there, or that they haven't won squat since he left.
I was at Rivera's Fenway Park farewell ceremony in 2013. Also happened to be the last game of the season. The love and respect for Rivera from everyone was kind of amazing.
I don't think we even bothered giving Jeter a day.
What? Nobody gives a rats ass about steroids anymore? Some of the very best players in the history of baseball are seemingly forever banned from the Hall of Fame because people care about steroids.So... why do people need the steroid crap, Mitchell report, etc.. no one gives a rats ass about steriods anymore and they don't provide a mental edge that would enable the stats Ortiz put up in multiple postseasons.
Only other guy who put up similar numbers after age 35 was (drumroll)…Barry Bonds.
Emmitt Smith on the Cowboys.
sub par for him maybe in those years but not in comparison to the rest of the qbs.Back end of his career he had a lot of sub par years. He’s overrated, probably not hilariously overrated though.
Probably a lot of NFL RBs you can make a case for. There are very few positions in sports that are more dependent on the folks around them than RB. Outside of some truly elite backs, hard to really do a great compare of individual ability.Emmitt Smith on the Cowboys.
I think the other version is funnier "90% of baseball is half mental." That's the one I remember and the one they used in 61*.Let's not forget: "Baseball is 90% mental. The other half is physical." That gave Jeter an edge. Jeter's got an Edge.
He played really well in one of the two SBs, but not as much in the other. And had he not gotten bailed out by a dropped interception and a helmet catch, his legacy would look much different.Don’t agree with this. Eli Manning is a slightly-above-average quarterback who might get into the HOF only because of the things HE DID in the clutch. No football player does everything by himself but Eli played his best football when it mattered the most. That’s elevated his reputation, which is how it usually works. Nobody’s going around saying he was the best QB in the league.
He played really well in one of the two SBs, but not as much in the other. And had he not gotten bailed out by a dropped interception and a helmet catch, his legacy would look much different.
The other thing I always wondered about was that Ortiz's supposed partner in crime, Manny Ramirez, tested positive twice in his career and was suspended both times, for 50 games the first time and 100 games the second time. If they were both doing the same thing and had the same resources then why one and not the other? Was Ortiz just better at not getting caught?Ortiz was tested over and over while he was putting up big stats later in his career. Either he was the greatest cheat in the history of professional sports or he was just a great hitter. Agree to disagree on which is more likely, I guess.
Most of them weren't "officially caught."The other thing I always wondered about was that Ortiz's supposed partner in crime, Manny Ramirez, tested positive twice in his career and was suspended both times, for 50 games the first time and 100 games the second time. If they were both doing the same thing and had the same resources then why one and not the other? Was Ortiz just better at not getting caught?
As a Yankees fan and massive Jeter fan, I think this is precisely why Jeter fits the bill.Only for non Yankee fans. Yankee fans who wayched every game he played feel like his leadership is what made it possible for others to perform at their best But i know we live in an analytics world where watching the game is considered less important than reviewing the stats. Sigh.
Only other guy who put up similar numbers after age 35 was (drumroll)…Barry Bonds.