He ain't heavy, he's my brother

[JohnFSilver]

Is there any name that comes to mind faster than Jeter?

Jeter was over rated as a player as he wasn’t in the A-Rod camp of players. Now he is MASSIVELY underrated.

Thst said. Jeter’s career is hall of fame level legendary wherever he played. Jeter’s stats -

Jeter - .310 career batting average.

3465 hits — that is sixth all time behind

Pete Rose
Ty Cobb
Hank Aaron
Stan Musial
Tris Speaker

In modern baseball era, post integration, Jeter has the fourth most hits in baseball history.

6th all time hits (3465)
11 all time runs scored (1923)

Career war is 71.7

Garciaparra is 44
Tejada is 41


Jeter best shortstop ever?

No.

ARod
Cal Ripken

But his war is 95th all time and all his comps are hall of famers.

He has a higher career WAR than Miguel Cabrera, Manny Ramirez, Barry Larkin, Tony Gwynn, Ivan Rodriguez.

he isn’t scooter Ruzzuto.

Under no stat analysis is he not a legendary player.

 

[NJHusky]

So 6th all time in hits with another franchise wouldn't land Jeter into Cooperstown?

You forgot the 5 WS rings and 14 All Star games.

 

[superjohn]

You should look it up, it's a pretty iconic video. #grit

I remember a running catch on the third baseline against the Red Sox where he couldn't stop his momentum and took 2 possibly 3 steps diving headfirst into the crowd cutting his face up.



The only other one I remember where he ended up in the crowd was also on the third baseline and he didn't really take any steps.



Send me the one where he took 10 steps before diving into the bleachers. That does sound pretty crazy.

 

[TheHorde]

Jeter was over rated as a player as he wasn’t in the A-Rod camp of players. Now he is MASSIVELY underrated.

Thst said. Jeter’s career is hall of fame level legendary wherever he played. Jeter’s stats -

Jeter - .310 career batting average.

3465 hits — that is sixth all time behind

Pete Rose
Ty Cobb
Hank Aaron
Stan Musial
Tris Speaker

In modern baseball era, post integration, Jeter has the fourth most hits in baseball history.

6th all time hits (3465)
11 all time runs scored (1923)

Career war is 71.7

Garciaparra is 44
Tejada is 41


Jeter best shortstop ever?

No.

ARod
Cal Ripken

But his war is 95th all time and all his comps are hall of famers.

He has a higher career WAR than Miguel Cabrera, Manny Ramirez, Barry Larkin, Tony Gwynn, Ivan Rodriguez.

he isn’t scooter Ruzzuto.

Under no stat analysis is he not a legendary player.

Even if Jeter wasn’t on the Yankees he would have been a Hall of Fame player. Without the championships he would have been similar to maybe a Paul Molitor.

 

[Umami Zen]

One of my favorite sports personalities-and a clutch player-who benefited from his friends-Yogi

 

[Excalibur]

Jeter was over rated as a player as he wasn’t in the A-Rod camp of players. Now he is MASSIVELY underrated.

Thst said. Jeter’s career is hall of fame level legendary wherever he played. Jeter’s stats -

Jeter - .310 career batting average.

3465 hits — that is sixth all time behind

Pete Rose
Ty Cobb
Hank Aaron
Stan Musial
Tris Speaker

In modern baseball era, post integration, Jeter has the fourth most hits in baseball history.

6th all time hits (3465)
11 all time runs scored (1923)

Career war is 71.7

Garciaparra is 44
Tejada is 41


Jeter best shortstop ever?

No.

ARod
Cal Ripken

But his war is 95th all time and all his comps are hall of famers.

He has a higher career WAR than Miguel Cabrera, Manny Ramirez, Barry Larkin, Tony Gwynn, Ivan Rodriguez.

he isn’t scooter Ruzzuto.

Under no stat analysis is he not a legendary player.

His comp is Paul Molitor. Great player, clear Hall of Famer, but hardly a "legend of the game".

 

[TheHorde]

His comp is Paul Molitor. Great player, clear Hall of Famer, but hardly a "legend of the game".

Great comp but if you’re a HOF, I’d say that does make you a legend of the game. An incredibly small percentage of those players that made the show make the HOF.

 

[TheHorde]

Because Marino was a terrible person: he wasn't well liked. Brady was a dump truck of well earned ego, but it didn't play well outside the patriot's base.

Marino was 20-48 with 2 TDS and 2 Ints vs the Patriots at home in the 1985 AFC championship game. His defense often let him down, but he did not come up clutch in the few big games he did play during his career. So I’m not sure where this relatively common take comes from. Brady was less physically talented than Marino with weaker stats when adjusting for the eras they played in. But Brady was more clutch and driven to succeed.

 

[Jaydumo20]

David Ortiz, he's a steroid cheat and DH who made it first ballot Hall of Fame because he was a great hitter on some great teams who cultivated an image that never matched his real personality and the city of Boston and much of the baseball world ate it up.

Coincidentally, Joe Beningo is talking about this very thing right now on the FAN: He said:
The reason why Ortiz is a HOFer and some of these other roid dudes aren't is because the writers like him and the public loves him.
You are 100%correct
best example of someone's persona vaulting their career into space

 

[TheHorde]

Coincidentally, Joe Beningo is talking about this very thing right now on the FAN: He said:
The reason why Ortiz is a HOFer and some of these other roid dudes aren't is because the writers like him and the public loves him.
You are 100%correct
best example of someone's persona vaulting their career into space

Did Joe call out Piazza, or nah? Because he loves Piazza.

 

[uconnfan68]

One of my favorite sports personalities-and a clutch player-who benefited from his friends-Yogi

3x MVP, 18x All-Star... yeah, he needed help from others...

 

[boog204]

Is there any name that comes to mind faster than Jeter?

As a Yankee fan I agree to an extent... I think Jeter was a great baseball player and if he was a Milwaukee Brewer I think he still gets 3000 hits and is a HOF'er. I don't think he's a multiple time GG winner and he doesn't win 5 titles because Greg Vaughn and Jeromy Burnitz, despite "gaudy" numbers at times, are not O'Neill and Bernie. But, I do think his presence, "clutchness," and ability to for 20 years seemingly say nothing and deflect all BS was essential for those teams and incredibly underrated by non-Yankee fans.

 

[boog204]

Coincidentally, Joe Beningo is talking about this very thing right now on the FAN: He said:
The reason why Ortiz is a HOFer and some of these other roid dudes aren't is because the writers like him and the public loves him.
You are 100%correct
best example of someone's persona vaulting their career into space

This x10000000. Ortiz was beloved and despite a lot of connective evidence, an entire fan base views him as a deity. I saw a clip somewhere by someone that if you take away all the stats accumulated by Bonds during his 7 MVP years he still is the only player in history to have like 400+ HRs and 400 SBs. But he was a surly and his credentials are irrelevant.

 

[Tenspro2002]

Swap Marino out for Brady, and the patriots would have done as well if not better. Put Brady on the same Miami teams, and he wouldn't have done any better than Marino.

The only difference between the two is Marino was a terrible person, and Brady was almost likable.

Peyton Manning with Belichick and the Patriots defense would have won 8 Super Bowls.

 

[Waquoit]

3x MVP, 18x All-Star... yeah, he needed help from others...

Yeah, I think Yogi's greatness as a player has been overshadowed by his loveable nature. Scooter on the other hand, I agree with Charlie Gehringer, not a Hall of Famer. Charlie was on the veterans committee and he was adament about it. But he died in 1993 and they put Phil in the next year.

 

[Tenspro2002]

Eli Manning. Justin Tuck should have won one of the SB MVPs as it is. But had Assante Samuel not dropped a pick, and had Welker not dropped a catchable ball, Eli would have been a goat, not a hero. And had Gronk not gotten a high ankle sprain in the AFC Championship game, that SB likely would have turned out diffeeently as well. I believe both Giants teams were 9-7 wild cards that were both a hair away from not making the playoffs.

The 2007 team were 10-6 and a Wild Card (Dallas won the Division, the Giants then beat them in the Divisional Round).

The 2011 team were 9-7 and the division champs (also beat Dallas in a de facto NFC East championship game in Week 17).

 

[Huskybass]

Only for non Yankee fans. Yankee fans who wayched every game he played feel like his leadership is what made it possible for others to perform at their best But i know we live in an analytics world where watching the game is considered less important than reviewing the stats. Sigh.

As a Red Sox fan, I loved Jeter. Consumate professional. Nothing but love.

 

[Umami Zen]

3x MVP, 18x All-Star... yeah, he needed help from others...

He was surrounded by All-Stars his entire career. Had a pretty good pitching staff throwing to him. And the New York press behind him. He was rock solid as a catcher. But if he played for the Cubs or the Pirates (as an example). I don't believe he would have had the same success as with the Yanks. As per the OP-Think he benefited from his friends.

 

[CTBasketball]

Is there any name that comes to mind faster than Jeter?

Cmon.

 

[cohenzone]

Well that’s definitely not what he said….

Undisputed HOF career, but do you really think without being a Yankee in that era, he would have five gold gloves?

Maybe the Yankees were who they were in part because he was a top tier shortstop. The players do make up a team, you know.

 

[StllH8L8ner]

David Ortiz, he's a steroid cheat and DH who made it first ballot Hall of Fame because he was a great hitter on some great teams who cultivated an image that never matched his real personality and the city of Boston and much of the baseball world ate it up.

If he stayed with the Twins, you’d never know who Big Papi was. He couldn’t crack the lineup over Doug Mientkiewicz for like 5 years then went to the Sox and “weirdly” became Superman.

A part of Jeter that gets ignored constantly is that he played his entire career in a place where there is a long, long list of good players who folded like card tables under the pressure to win every year. He succeeded and did it with class.

 

[TheRealKBuks]

Swap Marino out for Brady, and the patriots would have done as well if not better. Put Brady on the same Miami teams, and he wouldn't have done any better than Marino.

The only difference between the two is Marino was a terrible person, and Brady was almost likable.

Time has proven that Brady made Belichick and the Patriots great, not vice versa. This has to be sarcasm.

 

[JohnFSilver]

Even if Jeter wasn’t on the Yankees he would have been a Hall of Fame player. Without the championships he would have been similar to maybe a Paul Molitor.

Probably. But he wasn’t…he was the key cog in what is probably best baseball team of all time in 1998 and was key part 4 titles, and tacked on a fifth end of career.

.

 

[NeezyM1990]

This gave me a good laugh

Why? What did he do without an all star? Literally nothing

 

[TheHorde]

Probably. But he wasn’t…he was the key cog in what is probably best baseball team of all time in 1998 and was key part 4 titles, and tacked on a fifth end of career.

.

I don’t think being compared to another HOF was meant to be a slight. Players can’t always control what team they play for or who is in the lineup with them. But their talent can shine through in most every situation.