He ain't heavy, he's my brother

[Jaydumo20]

Did Joe call out Piazza, or nah? Because he loves Piazza.

Ha! He didnt but Everyone on the FAN seems to love Piazza. Except Sal Licata called him out 25 years later for not fighting Clemens.
Joe B had high praise for Bonds as a person though, which I found interesting.

 

[Waquoit]

Peyton Manning with Belichick and the Patriots defense would have won 8 Super Bowls.

Brady > Manning in the big spot. It's not close.

 

[GlastonTim]

Because Marino was a terrible person: he wasn't well liked. Brady was a dump truck of well earned ego, but it didn't play well outside the patriot's base.

Please explain

 

[TheHorde]

Ha! He didnt but Everyone on the FAN seems to love Piazza. Except Sal Licata called him out 25 years later for not fighting Clemens.
Joe B had high praise for Bonds as a person though, which I found interesting.

And they won’t discuss Rahguh Clemens, A Rod, Pettitte, and others either lmao. Gotta throw that Boston red meat out there to the New Yawker fan base lol.

 

[Scoe]

David Ortiz, he's a steroid cheat and DH who made it first ballot Hall of Fame because he was a great hitter on some great teams who cultivated an image that never matched his real personality and the city of Boston and much of the baseball world ate it up.

Manny made Ortiz

 

[uconnfan68]

He was surrounded by All-Stars his entire career. Had a pretty good pitching staff throwing to him. And the New York press behind him. He was rock solid as a catcher. But if he played for the Cubs or the Pirates (as an example). I don't believe he would have had the same success as with the Yanks. As per the OP-Think he benefited from his friends.

You don’t get MVP by being a good teammate. Let alone 3x.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

Maybe the Yankees were who they were in part because he was a top tier shortstop. The players do make up a team, you know.

Yeah, I mean I was pretty clear I agree with that. He was a no doubt hall of famer on a team that was very consistently the most talented team in baseball. He of course played a big role like any other top tier player would have. But it’s pretty clear he was overrated because of the Yankees winning so much. I mean 5 gold gloves for a pretty objectively terrible defender at short is the most glaring example of that.

 

[superjohn]

Manny made Ortiz

Same dealer

 

[The Yakk]

Jeter was over rated as a player as he wasn’t in the A-Rod camp of players. Now he is MASSIVELY underrated.

Thst said. Jeter’s career is hall of fame level legendary wherever he played. Jeter’s stats -

Jeter - .310 career batting average.

3465 hits — that is sixth all time behind

Pete Rose
Ty Cobb
Hank Aaron
Stan Musial
Tris Speaker

In modern baseball era, post integration, Jeter has the fourth most hits in baseball history.

6th all time hits (3465)
11 all time runs scored (1923)

Career war is 71.7

Garciaparra is 44
Tejada is 41


Jeter best shortstop ever?

No.

ARod
Cal Ripken

But his war is 95th all time and all his comps are hall of famers.

He has a higher career WAR than Miguel Cabrera, Manny Ramirez, Barry Larkin, Tony Gwynn, Ivan Rodriguez.

he isn’t scooter Ruzzuto.

Under no stat analysis is he not a legendary player.

Jeter can be both a legit hall of famer and also overrated by Stankee fans. Both can be true at the same time.

 

[The Yakk]

Same dealer

Probably, just like Jeter and Peyton Manning had the same HGH connect.

 

[Scoe]

I would also say the whole story of Ortiz almost getting assasinated there's more to the story hearing that he was messing around with a kingpins wife. Obviously doesnt excuse murder but Ortiz doesn't have such a squeaky clean image which is protected by the Boston media.

I say Paul Pierce he was a lesser version of Melo before Ray and KG arrived. Also the night club incident where he got stabbed not saying he deserved to get stabbed but there is more to the story then what was being reported.

 

[Waquoit]

Manny didn't hit that grand slam against Detroit.

 

[husky429]

Haven't read the thread... but the answer is Draymond Green.

 

[Kolumbo]

Apologies but I kept thinking of the "opposite" situation, where someone didn't get enough recognition because he didn't have a good enough supporting cast.

Bill Kelly and Thurman Thomas. They are rarely mentioned although they are in the HOF but geez, 4 Super Bowls in a row. I'm not familiar enough with the team so I don't know whether they weren't clutch enough or they had to carry the team.

 

[Kolumbo]

Veritek. I can't say he was overrated by anyone but sox fans, but they sure played him up. He had some decent pitching on his teams.

 

[StllH8L8ner]

Same dealer

And the benefit of having The Mitchell Report written by Red Sox director George Mitchell as cover…

 

[Kolumbo]

I was going to mention Dennis Johnson who was pretty good but played with all-time greats. Magic was an all-time great. Dude played all 5 positions at some point.

 

[HooperScooper]

Veritek. I can't say he was overrated by anyone but sox fans, but they sure played him up. He had some decent pitching on his teams.

I'm a Sox fan and I'm not sure where this is coming from. Varitek was a good catcher who was a good hitter for the position but I don't think any Sox fans think he was great. Certainly not Hall of Fame caliber or anything close.

 

[uconnfan68]

Apologies but I kept thinking of the "opposite" situation, where someone didn't get enough recognition because he didn't have a good enough supporting cast.

Bill Kelly and Thurman Thomas. They are rarely mentioned although they are in the HOF but geez, 4 Super Bowls in a row. I'm not familiar enough with the team so I don't know whether they weren't clutch enough or they had to carry the team.

Weren’t familiar enough to know it was Jim Kelly.

 

[Mr. French]

Apologies but I kept thinking of the "opposite" situation, where someone didn't get enough recognition because he didn't have a good enough supporting cast.

Bill Kelly and Thurman Thomas. They are rarely mentioned although they are in the HOF but geez, 4 Super Bowls in a row. I'm not familiar enough with the team so I don't know whether they weren't clutch enough or they had to carry the team.

Jim Kelly.

I’m the resident Bills honk so sue me, but Jimbo was similar to Favre and Peyton as a gunslinger. Those NFC teams were great but they could have had 2/4.

Thurman is one of the most underrated RBs of all-time. Take Marshall Faulk and Edgerrin James and he was that guy first. Awesome receiver, led the league in scrimmage yards 4 years straight.

Bruce Smith also, he’s every bit the DE Reggie White was and I’ll die on that hill.

 

[Scoe]

Manny didn't hit that grand slam against Detroit.

It doesn't matter Manny was definetly better had amazing strength and plate coverage, there was a game at the old Yankee stadium Manny hit a ball an inch from the ground into the black seats.

 

[Hamms30]

Yeah, how was Marino a bad person? Did he kick small dogs? Did he litter? Commit eugenics experiments on cats? I don't know what "bad person" means in this context

LACES

OUT

DAN

 

[Lefty2one]

You can pick from many any role/solid/good player on great teams/part of a dynasty. The Draymonds of the world. They're easy pickins'.

Pippen is one for me. He was soft coming into the league and early in his career and Jordan's presence helped toughen him up. Kobe doesn't have five rings if he didn't play with great bigs.

Brady obviously wouldn't have been as good without Belichick, though he'd be a HOFer. Those early rings were led by great defenses and Belichick was a mastermind of changing course and adjusting. In Brady's career the Patriots were everything from a power running team to a vertical passing attack to a dink and dunk offense. Belichick was unbelievable at adjusting to the league rules/trends and to his roster year-to-year. He almost always played to his team's strengths. Brady and Belichick were the perfect fit.

Also, Marino was a hot-headed but calling him a terrible person seems like a stretch.

 

[Kolumbo]

Jim Kelly.

I’m the resident Bills honk so sue me, but Jimbo was similar to Favre and Peyton as a gunslinger. Those NFC teams were great but they could have had 2/4.

Thurman is one of the most underrated RBs of all-time. Take Marshall Faulk and Edgerrin James and he was that guy first. Awesome receiver, led the league in scrimmage yards 4 years straight.

Bruce Smith also, he’s every bit the DE Reggie White was and I’ll die on that hill.

Haha. I know someone named Bill so I must have, you know.