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It seems like Hawkins is a confidence player - if he sees the ball go through the net once or twice he’s going to go off, but I think he lets the misses bother him and it throws him off. Would be great if we could run a couple of offensive sets early to get him some 15 footers coming off screens or some foul shots or something, get him going every time.
When I said he needs to toughen up this is the aspect of his game I meant. He has to somehow not let this shake his confidence. Physically take all the time you need to get healthy, but mentally work through it. And I understand that its easy for me to say
 
Not being in concussion protocol per the quote from Hurley
My guess is they hadn’t gotten a chance for a doctor to test him right after the game. They immediately pulled him out for the rest of the game when it happened so they’re clearly taking precautions. That was just a totally unnecessary comment that also happened to be completely unsupported by reality.
 
His eyes were glossy as hell when he returned to the bench. The announcers were saying tears, they were wrong. Hope he’s ok.

Donny saying “he’s a pro, he’s definitely a pro” is ridiculous as it was for Hurley to say. Let the kid find his way please.
And his eyes were as clear as a bell later in the second half.
 
The takes here when something bad happens. As if any of you knuckleheads have some cosmic power to impact things. Stop pointing fingers, or trying to explain it. He hit his head. He may be fine. He may have a concussion. We hope for the best for him and the team.
 
The takes here when something bad happens. As if any of you knuckleheads have some cosmic power to impact things. Stop pointing fingers, or trying to explain it. He hit his head. He may be fine. He may have a concussion. We hope for the best for him and the team.

That’s my point. Why is he being taken out of concussion protocol? That’s ridiculous.
 
Lets Crawl-Walk-Run.. Get him properly diagnosed. Assess diagnosis and come up with a game plan for his recovery. Reintegrate him back into the Program when safe and appropriate for him. If his fall did not cause a concussion.. He was damn lucky. Either way--Out of our hands and hope he can return to optimal health soon.
 
My guess is they hadn’t gotten a chance for a doctor to test him right after the game. They immediately pulled him out for the rest of the game when it happened so they’re clearly taking precautions. That was just a totally unnecessary comment that also happened to be completely unsupported by reality.

So why was he taken out of “concussion protocol” before he was seen by a Doctor? Is nobody else concerned by this?
 
That’s my point. Why is he being taken out of concussion protocol? That’s ridiculous.
The assumption is he wasn’t taken out of it, he just hasn’t formally entered it yet. I say assumption because we don’t know of course, so it’s best to wait before taking a position that assumes the staff doesn’t have Jordan’s best interests at heart.

Using the concussion protocol language clearly has big consequences for Jordan as some here are already speculating he should consider ending his basketball career. You don’t casually suggest that if you’re Dan Hurley, you wait to know. That likely means doctors involved. This isn’t the NFL with trained specialists on every sideline.

What we do know doesn’t support the argument that Jordan was “removed from the protocol”:

He was immediately removed from the game.
He missed lots of action last year as a result of concussions. There is no example to be pointed to where this coaching staff didn’t take injuries like this seriously.

We wait.
 
That’s my point. Why is he being taken out of concussion protocol? That’s ridiculous.

Players enter the concussion protocol based on immediate demonstration of specific symptoms or as a result of continued assessment and diagnosis of a concussion. There was no “taking him out“ of the protocol. The initial proper first step- removing him from game play- was taken. Evaluation over the next day or so will determine the next steps. Throwing out how YOU think the coaches and training staff don’t care about the health of their guys while not understanding the process is just a lot. It is your held belief that the training staff will not provide him appropriate care because they want him out there, his health be damned? You see how, with no evidence, that is a bad take.
 
Players enter the concussion protocol based on immediate demonstration of specific symptoms or as a result of continued assessment and diagnosis of a concussion. There was no “taking him out“ of the protocol. The initial proper first step- removing him from game play- was taken. Evaluation over the next day or so will determine the next steps. Throwing out how YOU think the coaches and training staff don’t care about the health of their guys while not understanding the process is just a lot. It is your held belief that the training staff will not provide him appropriate care because they want him out there, his health be damned? You see how, with no evidence, that is a bad take.

You’re putting words in my mouth but this is the boneyard so wouldn’t expect you to actually read into things before posting. I stand by my reaction to Hurleys comment.
 
He didn’t say that. He said to have a plan for him not being available. You just acknowledged that he’s probably going to miss games. Should they not have plan?
No, that is what he said.

The second paragraph of his post clearly refers to the coaches having a game plan where he is only being used as a bench player going forward.

His post was not about having a game plan for the next few games when Hawkins is out. His post was about how to use Hawkins going forward this season (and beyond).
 
It was by no means a D1 college level pace, but back in HS I had a similar injury where I landed on my back and my head swung back and hit the court hard. I had extremely bad whiplash after and couldn’t move my head side to side at all for a few days, but no concussion. Then another time I literally gently ran into a guy and got a concussion. Point is, it’s hard to tell at first glance, sometimes you hit your head just right or you don’t, shouldn’t jump to conclusions until the team has time to look at him and make an official report.
 
You’re putting words in my mouth but this is the boneyard so wouldn’t expect you to actually read into things before posting. I stand by my reaction to Hurleys comment.
Just stop digging man. You jumped to the conclusion that he had been removed from the protocol and totally ignored the possibility that they may not have had time to diagnose him one way or the other. The staff clearly made the right move to sit him for the rest of the night and have done nothing to earn your assertion that they’re not properly treating Hawkins’ injury.
 
His eyes were glossy as hell when he returned to the bench. The announcers were saying tears, they were wrong. Hope he’s ok.

Donny saying “he’s a pro, he’s definitely a pro” is ridiculous as it was for Hurley to say. Let the kid find his way please.
He was 100% crying. You could even see it as he was walking off the court
 
You’re putting words in my mouth but this is the boneyard so wouldn’t expect you to actually read into things before posting. I stand by my reaction to Hurleys comment.

It’s ok to say you misunderstood the process. Your words are out there. You said it was Tua-ish. You said he was being taken out of the concussion protocol. When you start questioning how this staff handles potential head injuries, implying that they would sacrifice a player’s health to keep him playing, you don’t get to stand behind, “this board is awful!”

Evaluation of his injury/injuries is ongoing, which will inform the treatment and recovery process.
 
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It looked like it didn’t have a huge amount of impact on the court from what I saw, but I did only see one replay
NFL helmets were made of leather until the late 40s. I can see a player not being a allowed, alone in wearing today's helmet. I wonder if the leather one would be allowed? No one gets hurt by an accidental head butt. To the contrary.

Hawk's health is A #1 concern. Might not be pretty; but IDK. Seems plausible to me. Both for safety and being allowed.
 
Watching replay he didn't hit his head too hard, but it was in a sensitive spot (directly back of the head), so we'll see.
Replays never give a true picture of contact. I suppose one can say a hit to the head that doesn't crack the skull wasn't too hard. But this was a blow, if it was to your head I doubt you would have said it wasn't too hard. Real time I was thinking he out for a month, at least. And while not every headshot cause a concussion, a hit this hard to someone that has already had one makes that hard to believe here.
 
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Great sign but still not comfortable until we get clarity on what "fine" entails
 
So many arms chair doctors. I trust our medical staff. If he's cleared to play that means he passed all protocols. If they sit him for a few games then that's fine too. No one is rushing him back just so he can play against BU.
 
I'm certainly no expert and no doctor. But honestly, it didn't look like he hit his head THAT hard and didn't seem wobbly after. I think they just took a cautious approach with him due to the issues last year.

For clarification, how many concussions did he have last year? I only remember one, but another poster mentioned two. Regardless, I'm sure we will get more clarity over the next couple days, but at this point I'd be surprised if he missed more than a game.
 
I'm certainly no expert and no doctor. But honestly, it didn't look like he hit his head THAT hard and didn't seem wobbly after. I think they just took a cautious approach with him due to the issues last year.

For clarification, how many concussions did he have last year? I only remember one, but another poster mentioned two. Regardless, I'm sure we will get more clarity over the next couple days, but at this point I'd be surprised if he missed more than a game.
I kind of remember one in the beginning of the year and one at the end. I'm probably wrong though. The human memory sucks.
 
I'm certainly no expert and no doctor. But honestly, it didn't look like he hit his head THAT hard and didn't seem wobbly after. I think they just took a cautious approach with him due to the issues last year.

For clarification, how many concussions did he have last year? I only remember one, but another poster mentioned two. Regardless, I'm sure we will get more clarity over the next couple days, but at this point I'd be surprised if he missed more than a game.
After remaining on the ground he jumped up and then sat back down. I would say he looked wobbly.
 

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