GoT Season Seven

[August_West]

The other lords of the north are likely not entirely committed to that war . . . I'm sure many of them see opportunities to gain power and influence.

If anyone believes what is beyond the Wall it is Northern houses.

 

[intlzncster]

Listen to the lyrics from the dumb Ed Sheeran scene.

For those who are too lazy:

Hands of Gold

He rode through the streets of the city,
Down from his hill on high,
O’er the wynds and the steps and the cobbles,
He rode to a woman’s sigh.
For she was his secret treasure,
She was his shame and his bliss.
And a chain and a keep are nothing,
Compared to a woman's kiss
For hands of gold are always cold,
But a woman’s hands are warm

And here's a little idea for you to chew on. The secret meaning of Ed Sheeran's Game of Thrones character - and the song he sings

 

[OneTrickPony]

Arya was training to be a mass murderer in Season 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6. Now she is a mass murderer, and it is glorious.

She's the embodiment of vengeance...one of a few roaming around...

 

[OneTrickPony]

I'm cheering for Litlefinger.

We'll have an intervention for you at some point...

 

[intlzncster]

Ned knew enough to stay out of the South. It took the combined efforts of the greatest man in Westeros and the dumbest Stark of them all to get him to accept Robert's offer --Catelyn

So you're saying Ned's a . Total bitch boy.

 

[intlzncster]

I believe in meritocracy and Littlefinger is simply the best. No one can rival his singleminded focus, ability and skill. But for the bed he was born in, he would already be King.

Depends what you mean by the best. Those not vying for the throne are also in The Game. For my money, Varys is the best player. Information is king.

 

[intlzncster]

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Look. I'm contractually obligated to 'like' a boob grab. But that doesn't take away from the fact that Sansa is the most overrated 'minx' in the show. Is what it is.

 

[intlzncster]

In that world it's not considered mass murder. Her actions are perfectly justified.

True. Revenge is an honorable undertaking. And a 'right', so to speak.

 

[intlzncster]

Varys plays the game better than littlefinger so YOU lose.

I got up late so you beat me to that. But that's the only reason.

 

[intlzncster]

Snow is still the character left exploring the question of whether a ruler can succeed in the GOT if you've got too much heart...he's had to be raised from the dead once already, which indicates the author's view...

Ned Stark was Exhibit A of how far honor gets you in The Game, in Martin's opinion. Mine too.

Jon Snow is Exhibit A on what dumb luck gets you. Luck trumps all and is one of the most interesting facets of The Game.

 

[August_West]

Depends what you mean by the best. Those not vying for the throne are also in The Game. For my money, Varys is the best player. Information is king.

And he unlike Littlefinger is incorruptible by his own baser desires. Littlefingers hots for the ginger nightmare are going to get his thoat slit. Thats not sound game play.

 

[intlzncster]

And he unlike Littlefinger is incorruptible by his own baser desires. Littlefingers hots for the ginger nightmare are going to get his thoat slit. Thats not sound game play.

'the ginger nightmare' hahahah

 

[Pmurph678]

Question for Book Readers (and this is casting not story related, not a spoiler)

Is the guy the got to play Euron the worst casing of the series. He is NOTHING like the book. They hit it out of the park with much of their casting. A couple fails; Dario #1 comes to mind, but they fixed that.

Euron is NOTHING like this guy they cast or are writing.

This show still really grabs me for the tables they have set but the dialogue and some character choices since they went ahead of the books seem more like B movie material.

Loras is terrible too

 

[August_West]

Loras is terrible too

I didnt think it was the best choice, but with the long hair in the first he seemed adequate. But yeah it went downhill quick.

 

[Excalibur]

Loras is terrible too

Curious what you think they got wrong there . . . he seems to fit the descriptions in the books fairly well, though he is a bit short.

 

[OneTrickPony]

Ned Stark was Exhibit A of how far honor gets you in The Game, in Martin's opinion. Mine too.

Jon Snow is Exhibit A on what dumb luck gets you. Luck trumps all and is one of the most interesting facets of The Game.

An underlying theme in the books is that the value of honor is questionable in the quest for power...and so far it has appeared worthless sans some deus ex machina intervention like Snow's resurrection(s)...Arya is another variation...in fact, when you look at Bran, Benjen, the Dragons, etc....there doesn't seem to be a non-venal path to the throne without a little help from the gods...

 

[Excalibur]

An underlying theme in the books is that the value of honor is questionable in the quest for power...and so far it has appeared worthless sans some deus ex machina intervention like Snow's resurrection(s)...Arya is another variation...in fact, when you look at Bran, Benjen, the Dragons, etc....there doesn't seem to be a non-venal path to the throne without a little help from the gods...

Jon Snow would be the ultimate paradox here, since he is exceedingly lucky, and yet still overly concerned with honor.

 

[ZooCougar]

Just as vengeance is part of that cultural world, as you pointed out before, so is marrying off underage chicks (and dudes). Sansa and whatever age she is at this point is ripe for the picking.

Not when he first started stalking her. A line needs to be drawn somewhere.

 

[OneTrickPony]

Jon Snow would be the ultimate paradox here, since he is exceedingly lucky, and yet still overly concerned with honor.

He is off the scale on the bravery index...has known he was facing certain death at every turn and never really took the easy way out...there's a difference between his character and a Forrest Gump/Dudley Doright that never sees what's coming...

 

[ZooCougar]

Jon Snow would be the ultimate paradox here, since he is exceedingly lucky, and yet still overly concerned with honor.

Was he being overly honorable when he broke literally every vow The Watch or whatever, banged a wildling and joined up with them?

He definitely is more nuanced than people are giving him credit for.

 

[intlzncster]

Not when he first started stalking her. A line needs to be drawn somewhere.

But she was already engaged at that point. Joff could have copulated if he had really wanted to. He's such a sick bastard, I'm surprised he didn't force the issue. I guess he took more pleasure out of making her watch. The fear factor.

 

[Excalibur]

Was he being overly honorable when he broke literally every vow The Watch or whatever, banged a wildling and joined up with them?

He definitely is more nuanced than people are giving him credit for.

He has broken with "code", so to speak for two reasons -- love (which has sometimes been portrayed as a pure motive; i.e. Robert's Rebellion), and to serve the greater good. In joining the wildlings he was actually following orders.

 

[ZooCougar]

He has broken with "code", so to speak for two reasons -- love (which has sometimes been portrayed as a pure motive; i.e. Robert's Rebellion), and to serve the greater good. In joining the wildlings he was actually following orders.

He wouldn't exist if it weren't for those two things.

 

[ZooCougar]

But she was already engaged at that point. Joff could have copulated if he had really wanted to. He's such a sick bastard, I'm surprised he didn't force the issue. I guess he took more pleasure out of making her watch. The fear factor.

Joffre would be less gross. They were both at the younger end of teenagedom. Still want to see Littlefinger's head on a pike next to Cersei's.

 

[Pmurph678]

Curious what you think they got wrong there . . . he seems to fit the descriptions in the books fairly well, though he is a bit short.

Loras is supposed to be one of the greatest fighters in the seven kingdoms, the actor looks like a little kid.

 

[Excalibur]

Loras is supposed to be one of the greatest fighters in the seven kingdoms, the actor looks like a little kid.

Just as he is described, young, slight of build . . . . Also a great "tournament" fighter, not necessarily when it matters.

 

[John]

Just as he is described, young, slight of build . . . . Also a great "tournament" fighter, not necessarily when it matters.

very similar to TV portrayal:

Loras Tyrell

 

[Scalito]

Varys plays the game better than littlefinger so YOU lose.

Varys has no balls.

 

[August_West]

Varys has no balls.

That aids him in the game of thrones.

 

[Scalito]

Not quite. Cersei burned him out. The Boltons totally screwed and fooled him. He hasn't outsmarted Varys as far as I can tell. And he is/was obsessed with a woman you just admitted was an imbecile and the bane of her family. However clever he thinks he is, he's a wuss.

As a meritocracy, you could argue Tyrion would likely be a better king than the rest. But realistically, nobody is perfect. Dany, mixed with Jon, with Tyrion advising, is a solid team. I think that's the eventual winning side.

Yeah, they're the winning side. There's never been any question on that. Doesn't change the fact that Danny is as worthless as a box of rocks and shoulda been killed off long ago.