GoT Season Seven

[HuskiesAllDay]

Wrong. She screwed that up too. She saved the Northerners? How many Northerners had to Die because she waited almost altogether too long before calling in the Vale? Why did she hide the fact she could call in the Vale from Jon? Why was she so cavalier with peoples lives? Why wasnt the Vale army with them from the get go? Because she is a selfish fookin C.
If she called in the Vale when she was supposed to Rickon would still be alive.

So as it stands Sansa is Responsible for the Death of her Father. Her Mother. and two Brothers. She is also responsible for Arya becoming a serial killer.

All fair points regarding BOB. She didn't reveal that sooner because the writers wanted to make the battle as dramatic as possible of course. But agree it was dumb and led to many more deaths.

But none of this supports your repeated claims that I was initially debating that Sansa is directly trying to undercut Jon in order to steal his power. You have yet to support that claim other than she wanted him to stay in the north (where she has no chance to steal his power) and reasonably replace the traitorous Umbers/Karstarks.

 

[businesslawyer]

Wrong. She screwed that up too. She saved the Northerners? How many Northerners had to Die because she waited almost altogether too long before calling in the Vale? Why did she hide the fact she could call in the Vale from Jon? Why was she so cavalier with peoples lives? Why wasnt the Vale army with them from the get go? Because she is a selfish fookin C.
If she called in the Vale when she was supposed to Rickon would still be alive.

So as it stands Sansa is Responsible for the Death of her Father. Her Mother. and two Brothers. She is also responsible for Arya becoming a serial killer.

1. And yet, you'd be on your knees licking her toes in an instant if you thought you had a chance.

2. More importantly, this is why IT guys aren't military strategists. If the Vale's forces show up before the fighting starts, Bolton's army never leaves Winterfell. If they show up too early in the battle, Bolton's forces may be able to defend themselves and push their way back inside the castle walls. Only by showing up after the troops are both fully deployed and largely spent does it become an easy mop up operation for the Vale's troops (which presumably Littlefinger was concerned about), plus guaranty the complete obliteration of Bolton's forces.

 

[John]

1. And yet, you'd be on your knees licking her toes in an instant if you thought you had a chance.

2. More importantly, this is why IT guys aren't military strategists. If the Vale's forces show up before the fighting starts, Bolton's army never leaves Winterfell. If they show up too early in the battle, Bolton's forces may be able to defend themselves and push their way back inside the castle walls. Only by showing up after the troops are both fully deployed and largely spent does it become an easy mop up operation for the Vale's troops (which presumably Littlefinger was concerned about), plus guaranty the complete obliteration of Bolton's forces.

1. He'd have to settle for sloppy seconds on the toes.

2. They should put a statue of you up in town square instead of Robt. E. Lee

 

[August_West]

1. And yet, you'd be on your knees licking her toes in an instant if you thought you had a chance.

2. More importantly, this is why IT guys aren't military strategists. If the Vale's forces show up before the fighting starts, Bolton's army never leaves Winterfell. If they show up too early in the battle, Bolton's forces may be able to defend themselves and push their way back inside the castle walls. Only by showing up after the troops are both fully deployed and largely spent does it become an easy mop up operation for the Vale's troops (which presumably Littlefinger was concerned about), plus guaranty the complete obliteration of Bolton's forces.

LOL "Military genius" Sansa Stark.

Youve jumped the shark too.

 

[Rocktheworld]

This, sadly, goes to show that GRR, while infuriatingly slow and meandering, knows how to right a mutherf@$^ing story. Showrunners know how to blow s@$t up.

AND THEN THE DRAGONS COME IN AND IT'S LIKE CROSSHHH

 

[CTMike]

AND THEN THE DRAGONS COME IN AND IT'S LIKE CROSSHHH

Jon apologizing to Dany:

 

[August_West]

Jon apologizing to Dany:
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So great when Dany said to Tyrion "hes too small for me"

 

[CTMike]

So great when Dany said to Tyrion "hes too small for me"

The running gag of Jon having a small peen is pretty funny.

 

[August_West]

The running gag of Jon having a small peen is pretty funny.

Thats what this show has become this season. A bunch of running gags and great one liners. Im still entertained. Its more like watching silicon valley than game of thrones, but I love silicon valley.

 

[John]

Thats what this show has become this season. A bunch of running gags and great one liners. Im still entertained. Its more like watching silicon valley than game of thrones, but I love silicon valley.

they need to work up some plot devices to get us much more gratuitous boobage.

 

[Deepster]

And what good is Bran if he sits next to a tree while a dragon gets killed, then turned into a zombie dragon? How about using those powers to TELL SOMEONE WHAT TO DO.

 

[HuskiesAllDay]

Ok I just re-watched the Hardhome battle, and the wights from last night aren't even close to the same. They are basically two different "beings". In HH they are ferocious and crazed and move rapidly and chaotically. They tear through the wooden wall, scratch and claw to get under it, and climb it with ease. They literally barrel over a huge cliff by the hundreds and get right back up and sprint forward.

Last night they were slow, methodical, and as easy to kill as any common soldier.



Imagine those (the HH) zombies in last nights episode. They would have engulfed that rock and torn them apart instantly.

An army of Hardhome zombies would be almost impossible to defeat and was the threat that we have been told about for 7 seasons.

They completely watered down this threat by having 6 guys mow them down with such ease.

And this all happened during a mission that was so dumb and meaningless to begin with. WHYYYYY.

 

[Scalito]

Glad I'm not the only confused one:

"Oh, Cersei sent an invite to Sansa to join her at King’s Landing for next week’s big meeting, but she sends Brienne off to go for her even after Littlefinger tells her to have Brienne keep Arya from murdering her. I understand none of this. Is she sending Brienne away to secretly thwart Littlefinger? Or is this somehow to be part of Littlefinger’s plan? Man, this storyline is a mess"

She sent Brienne away so Brienne is not around to intervene on Arya's behalf should she, Sansa, move against Arya. Littlefinger manipulated Sansa by reminding her that Brienne is Arya's protector as much as hers because he wants Brienne gone so he can do whatever he is gonna do. Just like he manipulated Arya.

 

[August_West]

She sent Brienne away so Brienne is not around to intervene on Arya's behalf should she, Sansa, move against Arya. Littlefinger manipulated Sansa by reminding her that Brienne is Arya's protector as much as hers because he wants Brienne gone so he can do whatever he is gonna do. Just like he manipulated Arya.

So there you have it in a nutshell.

"Sansa is going to move against Arya"

what a fine Human being she is.

And at this point your only defense (if the above is not true) is that "Littlefinger manipulated Sansa"


So you have a choice. Is Sansa a terrible human being? Or is Sansa a mind blowingly stupid human being. It MUST be one or the other.

@businesslawyer Falls in the former group. He thinks Sansa is a military genius. If she is in fact a military genius and she is not being manipulated by Littlefinger because she is so smart to see through it, that means all thats left is she is an evil biotch trying to take out another family member. Right?

If she is a good person who has suffered so much trauma, it means she is the dumbest idiot in westeros. Because she got manipulated by littlefinger AGAIN, and she knows his game first hand. He sold her to Ramsay Bolton for christ sake! If she is still getting duped by him after that, she is dumber than Hodor.

 

[Scalito]

So there you have it in a nutshell.

"Sansa is going to move against Arya"

what a fine Human being she is.

And at this point your only defense (if the above is not true) is that "Littlefinger manipulated Sansa"


So you have a choice. Is Sansa a terrible human being? Or is Sansa a mind blowingly stupid human being. It MUST be one or the other.

@businesslawyer Falls in the former group. He thinks Sansa is a military genius. If she is in fact a military genius and she is not being manipulated by Littlefinger because she is so smart to see through it, that means all thats left is she is an evil biotch trying to take out another family member. Right?

If she is a good person who has suffered so much trauma, it means she is the dumbest idiot in westeros. Because she got manipulated by littlefinger AGAIN, and she knows his game first hand. He sold her to Ramsay Bolton for christ sake! If she is still getting duped by him after that, she is dumber than Hodor.

You just made the best argument for why this is playacting. If you are a simpleminded my-television-heros-must-always-be-smarter-than-the-bad-guy guy, then Sansa is all sorts of fail if she is scared into acting against the sister with a bag of faces who is impliedly threatening her. So she must be pretending.

I am not as simpleminded as you.

 

[August_West]

I am not as simpleminded as you.

Dont sell yourself short, you are a tremendous simp.

 

[John]

Ok I just re-watched the Hardhome battle, and the wights from last night aren't even close to the same. They are basically two different "beings". In HH they are ferocious and crazed and move rapidly and chaotically. They tear through the wooden wall, scratch and claw to get under it, and climb it with ease. They literally barrel over a huge cliff by the hundreds and get right back up and sprint forward.

Last night they were slow, methodical, and as easy to kill as any common soldier.



Imagine those (the HH) zombies in last nights episode. They would have engulfed that rock and torn them apart instantly.

An army of Hardhome zombies would be almost impossible to defeat and was the threat that we have been told about for 7 seasons.

They completely watered down this threat by having 6 guys mow them down with such ease.

And this all happened during a mission that was so dumb and meaningless to begin with. WHYYYYY.

huge difference, wow.

 

[businesslawyer]

So there you have it in a nutshell.

"Sansa is going to move against Arya"

what a fine Human being she is.

And at this point your only defense (if the above is not true) is that "Littlefinger manipulated Sansa"


So you have a choice. Is Sansa a terrible human being? Or is Sansa a mind blowingly stupid human being. It MUST be one or the other.

@businesslawyer Falls in the former group. He thinks Sansa is a military genius. If she is in fact a military genius and she is not being manipulated by Littlefinger because she is so smart to see through it, that means all thats left is she is an evil biotch trying to take out another family member. Right?

If she is a good person who has suffered so much trauma, it means she is the dumbest idiot in westeros. Because she got manipulated by littlefinger AGAIN, and she knows his game first hand. He sold her to Ramsay Bolton for christ sake! If she is still getting duped by him after that, she is dumber than Hodor.

Your obsession is just making you silly. You don't think Littlefinger controlled the Vale's troops? You think he just gave Sansa control of determining how many of them should die.?

Would you please profess your love for her before your infatuation makes you dumb permanently?

 

[Scalito]

And what good is Bran if he sits next to a tree while a dragon gets killed, then turned into a zombie dragon? How about using those powers to TELL SOMEONE WHAT TO DO.

He used them to send Benjen to save John and everyone is crying because Benjen saved John.

 

[August_West]

You don't think Littlefinger controlled the Vale's troops?

So then Sansa ISNT responsible for saving Winterfell.

Got it.

 

[intlzncster]

they need to work up some plot devices to get us much more gratuitous boobage.

Too many feminist complaints. . George RR wrote a lot of good whore scenes. Showrunners now white washing westeros.

 

[intlzncster]

Ok I just re-watched the Hardhome battle, and the wights from last night aren't even close to the same. They are basically two different "beings". In HH they are ferocious and crazed and move rapidly and chaotically. They tear through the wooden wall, scratch and claw to get under it, and climb it with ease. They literally barrel over a huge cliff by the hundreds and get right back up and sprint forward.

Last night they were slow, methodical, and as easy to kill as any common soldier.



Imagine those (the HH) zombies in last nights episode. They would have engulfed that rock and torn them apart instantly.

An army of Hardhome zombies would be almost impossible to defeat and was the threat that we have been told about for 7 seasons.

They completely watered down this threat by having 6 guys mow them down with such ease.

And this all happened during a mission that was so dumb and meaningless to begin with. WHYYYYY.

Because george rr didn't write it. Hate that guy even more for being such a lazy bastard

 

[HuskyHawk]

You just made the best argument for why this is playacting. If you are a simpleminded my-television-heros-must-always-be-smarter-than-the-bad-guy guy, then Sansa is all sorts of fail if she is scared into acting against the sister with a bag of faces who is impliedly threatening her. So she must be pretending.

I am not as simpleminded as you.

I think you're both wrong. I don't think she really perceives Arya as a threat to her. She sent Brienne because she sure as hell wasn't ever going back to visit Cersei. She sent a surrogate who would (a) follow her orders and (b) possibly survive. It has nothing to do with Arya. I think she knows Arya is dangerous. I don't think she thinks Arya is dangerous to her. And she's probably right. Neither of them is going to move against the other. One or both of them will probably move against Littlefinger. Note that Sansa does not trust him.

 

[StoweD210]

A small thing I was thinking about that kinda lines up with HuskiesAllDay's post about the HH zombies and the ones from episode 6:

Outside of adding to the drama, why were the zombies/wights trying to free the captured zombie? They're dead, they don't care about each other. It's not like Jon & company could have grabbed a really popular or important zombie. It could be that the Night King had directed his army to also free the captive, but why would he care? He hasn't been trying to conceal his forces or his purpose. If the NK was directing his forces, why didn't he command 60 or 80 zombies to encircle the enemy and attack at the same time, instead of one at a time, black ninja-style?

On the Sansa-Arya interaction, in one of the season previews, there was a voice over by Sansa saying something along the lines of the lone wolf perishes while the pack survives. Was that from an earlier season, because I don't think Sansa has said anything like that this season? It could be nothing, it could be foreshadowing Sansa turning on Arya or it could mean the Stark sisters will put aside their differences and deal with the person who's been trying to drive a wedge between them.

 

[Scalito]

Too many feminist complaints. . George RR wrote a lot of good whore scenes. Showrunners now white washing westeros.

Ugly feminists are why we cannot have nice things.