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Best criticism yet. They really screwed the pooch there.
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Best criticism yet. They really screwed the pooch there.
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The lake thing could have easily been part of their plan, rather than them stumbling onto it and getting trapped.
Jon and team could have planned on luring them there ahead of time. Brought a raven with them, and then sent it to eastwatch as soon as they were trapped.
Then, they could have cut to Eastwatch and it would be revealed that Dany is already there waiting for their message.
Imagine what a big reveal that would have been. The heroes in complete danger. But they already planned for it and out of nowhere we can see their savior is close by. It would have been incredibly dramatic.
The episode would have been entirely believable and wouldn't have lost any of it's life or death dramatics. It also would have been a good way of showing how the men used planning and human intelligence as a way to defeat these mindless dead zombies.
Instead they went with a marathon run, ravens that can fly mach 3, and dragons with rocket boosters. Solid decision writers.
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That episode gets worse, fast, the more I think about it.
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Jedi Mind tricks work on the weak minded.
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You are like Meyer's defending The Walking Dead. Anyone from that thread will understand...
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When you're right you're right. And I'm right.
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You just gave me PTSD. Talk about insufferable
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I almost wish he was a GoT fan to hear him defend this season.
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Stop whinging.
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Now that it's a zombie story he may well jump in
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No, but I have great love for myself and I was compared to him, so I've decided it must be a thing of beauty. Besides, I was talking about complaints about this season. I think it has been great.
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The show is still very fun, its just not great. Is there anyone not enjoying this immensely, even with the inane writing? Call me a sucker but all the fan service is emotionally satisfying. And that will continue next week when John learns his parentage.
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And littlefinger gets his throat cut. And Cleganebowl. And Dany and Jon schtupping. And Jamie and Brienne doing their dance and Cersi agreeing to fight walkers in the most transparent lie yet only to think privately that she will let the walkers take care of all her enemies for her. maybe she goes down on the night king.
There I wrote ep 7 for you. No need to watch.
If GOT is anything this year it is eminently predictable.
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I'm gonna post this ignorant to most other post-episode posts so forgive me if someone mentioned this already. I see people talking about the wights, and the rift at Winterfell, the ridiculousness of the ambush -> saved by Danny sequence of events. While I do have an issue with Arya's belligerency, the random shift in constitution of the wights, and the utter craziness of Danny flying from Dragonstone to ...wherever they were (I just started a re-watch with my girl; we just watched S1 E6 where Tyrion is captive in the Vale, initially requests Jaime to represent him in he trial, and lyssa tells him the distance between just the Vale and Kings Landing is hundreds of miles), my biggest issue was the final sequence from Jon pulling himself out of freezing water and the deus ex machina with Benjen.
I saw someone mention regarding Danny flying at top speed not just through the country north of the wall, but in the heart of the "winter" that the white walkers bring; how cold exactly is this environment? Because a regular dude dragged under freezing water, in armor, by zombies, is not going to just shake them off, swim back up, and pull himself back up through the ice. Speaking of the re-watch, Allister Thorn tells Jon and Sam how if you exposed a finger to the cold, you'd lose it almost instantly. So Jon shouldn't have survived that plunge, shouldn't have gotten out, shouldn't have been able to make it 20 feet let alone ride all the way back to the Wall without succumbing to the cold (unless this is due to some power he has had/acquired unbeknownst to all except the writers).
That entire sequence did not have to happen. It was clearly all a ploy to inject some extra drama and to kill off benjen for who knows what reason. But if they really had to kill benjen off, they could have very easily had him jump in and stop the wights who would have tackled Jon, fought and distracted the walkers while inadvertently revealing a key unknown weakness, allowing everyone to get on the dragons and ride out in safety. Part of the reason I can get over the strife in Winterfell is because that can somehow be resolved. But you can't go back and un-end a character arc. And Benjen deserved a way better ending than what we got. He got a Podrick-level heroic exit. Hodor's was better, more dramatic, and more heroic. A single "THERES NO TIME" are the final words of Benjen Stark? Incredibly disappointed in that. The time issues are lazy writing; the Winterfell stuff is confusing writing; that sequence was flat-out bad writing.
I feel like Jon has been saved as many times and in as nearly as ridiculous of fashions as did Frodo; and I thought Game was above/different from those cringey fantasy stories. That's the feel I had the first 4 seasons.
I saw someone mention regarding Danny flying at top speed not just through the country north of the wall, but in the heart of the "winter" that the white walkers bring; how cold exactly is this environment? Because a regular dude dragged under freezing water, in armor, by zombies, is not going to just shake them off, swim back up, and pull himself back up through the ice. Speaking of the re-watch, Allister Thorn tells Jon and Sam how if you exposed a finger to the cold, you'd lose it almost instantly. So Jon shouldn't have survived that plunge, shouldn't have gotten out, shouldn't have been able to make it 20 feet let alone ride all the way back to the Wall without succumbing to the cold (unless this is due to some power he has had/acquired unbeknownst to all except the writers).
That entire sequence did not have to happen. It was clearly all a ploy to inject some extra drama and to kill off benjen for who knows what reason. But if they really had to kill benjen off, they could have very easily had him jump in and stop the wights who would have tackled Jon, fought and distracted the walkers while inadvertently revealing a key unknown weakness, allowing everyone to get on the dragons and ride out in safety. Part of the reason I can get over the strife in Winterfell is because that can somehow be resolved. But you can't go back and un-end a character arc. And Benjen deserved a way better ending than what we got. He got a Podrick-level heroic exit. Hodor's was better, more dramatic, and more heroic. A single "THERES NO TIME" are the final words of Benjen Stark? Incredibly disappointed in that. The time issues are lazy writing; the Winterfell stuff is confusing writing; that sequence was flat-out bad writing.
I feel like Jon has been saved as many times and in as nearly as ridiculous of fashions as did Frodo; and I thought Game was above/different from those cringey fantasy stories. That's the feel I had the first 4 seasons.
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Especially if you read the spoilers...
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I was forgiving of a whole lot, then they killed off Benjen the way they did. I will be watching the rest of this show with arms folded, waiting the next predictable and/or stupid sequence. I told my friend I feel like I'm watching the final season of Dexter all over again
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Especially if you read the spoilers...
Why? amirite?
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I dunno? Are you?
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it's going to be a Seinfeld ending, just watch.
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I dont know. We will see.
I was right about Thoros dying last episode. I was wrong about Tormund, I was sure he was a goner. So my batting average aint that great. I could be wrong about Cleaganebowl, but its no reach or spoiler to say Cersei is definitely putting on kneepads for the night king. Who doesnt think that?
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I've too many Warnings right now to post a proper reply to this, but the possibilities for this are endless.
The Ice Queen indeed.
The great conundrum for me is, do Danny and Jon schtup before they find out the truth, or after? The first would be funnier, the second more scandalous. I'm hoping for the latter.
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Hahaha we're so on the same page there. Damn near exactly. About 9 pages ago:
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I later posited that Jon is some sort of Arctic Aqua Man.
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EDIT: I just realized how much I'm pissing about the lazy writing. Can't stop won't stop
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Especially if you read the spoilers...
I haven't read any spoilers, but I was thinking the same thing about Cersei and the Night King. Well, not the going down part, but thinking she could make a deal with the NK. They share a common enemy and an alliance would solve all her problems. She could offer to let the NK have everything north of The Twins. Her problem is that the NK can take everything, if he wants, and, unlike Euron, he doesn't seem to care about the ladies. I don't know what his incentive would be to agree.
As for the big summit in the finale, does Dany's side take the initiative and double cross Cersei? It doesn't seem likely considering Tyrion urging her to be less ruthless. On the other hand, they have to know Cersei is planning something similar, so why not beat her to the punch?
In the big picture, this potential alliance seems like it will lead to as many problems as it solves. Both sides will be worried about the other stabbing them in the back while fighting alongside them and will be trying to conserve their strength to continue the fight after the WWs are defeated.