OT: Giants Cowboys

[Deepster]

Tell me more about how important it was for the Eagles to evaluate Nate Sudfeld before next year

It looks like they're not bringing back Wentz. Maybe they wanted to see if Sudfeld was an option as Hurts' backup?

 

[navery12]

It looks like they're not bringing back Wentz. Maybe they wanted to see if Sudfeld was an option as Hurts' backup?

I'll believe Wentz isn't back when I see it, he has a $59M dead cap hit if he's cut and $34M if he's traded. I just don't see how the Eagles can even afford to move on

 

[superjohn]

Again, I’ve never seen the Eagles have a “tank” situation. The Giants just recently “garbaged” their way into Jones and Barkley. Also, I see you neglected to mention the “cry baby” sorcery that landed the Giants Eli Manning. Please stop Giants fans. The Eagles need to rebuild and for once they decided to settle for a better pick. Boo Hoo. You have teams that have been doing this annually and forever. It was about a better pick and not the Giants “Tom Brady” Prom. Get the receipts and take the gowns back.

Win more games

This shouldn't be about the Giants and any of them whining about it is a bad look, this is about Pederson and the Eagles. What he did is a terrible look that lost him the locker room and embarrassed himself and the Eagles.

Eagles players, coaches were shocked by Doug Pederson’s QB switch, resulting in sideline confrontations

In many cases, Eagles players and assistants had no inclination that Nate Sudfeld was part of the offensive game plan, and if they did, they figured it had been abandoned because of the tight score.

www.inquirer.com

 

[BlueMAB]

Also, need I remind Giants fans of how they got Eli Manning?!?!? And the “integrity” of that gangster maneuver?!?!?

Please do remind us exactly what the Giants did wrong.

 

[BlueMAB]

To be clear, I wish hurts finished the game. I’m not sold on him and wanted to see him in a tight game. But a team out of contention using the last game to evaluate players is not uncommon.

You need to stop whining about how deserving the g-women are after a masterful run that saw them win all of 6 (or 37.5%) of their games. If u wanted to make the playoffs, take all that integrity crap and win 7 frigging games. How did integrity in football get hijacked by losing teams and teams refusing to play?

Who are you talking to?

Who said the Giants "deserved" to make the playoffs?

Why do you hate women?

The Eagles didn't use the last game to evaluate players. The head coach decided not to try to win the game even though it was there for the taking.

 

[gioff2323]

Considering their starter has expressed a desire to leave and the rookie was 7-20 that night for less than 100 yards (and barely above 50% a year), apparently they felt it was important to get a one and only look at him. Probably as much as Steelers needed to see their backup play entire game.

when did it become the eagles job to help out a 6-10 team make the playoffs? DO YOUR JOB and stop blaming others. You’re the 9th worst team.

how about a thank you for moving your pathetic team up 10 spots in draft and saving u the embarrassment of being worst ever playoff team and getting pasted by bucs.

 

[gioff2323]

Who are you talking to?

Who said the Giants "deserved" to make the playoffs?

Why do you hate women?

The Eagles didn't use the last game to evaluate players. The head coach decided not to try to win the game even though it was there for the

So going for a td to take the lead rather than a fg to tie is playing to lose. Interesting.

 

[8893]

when did it become the eagles job to help out a 6-10 team make the playoffs? DO YOUR JOB and stop blaming others. You’re the 9th worst team.

No one is suggesting that the Eagles had any responsibility to help the Giants.

But anyone with a shred of integrity recognizes that they intentionally threw that game, which is something quite different.

 

[BlueMAB]

Considering their starter has expressed a desire to leave and the rookie was 7-20 that night for less than 100 yards (and barely above 50% a year), apparently they felt it was important to get a one and only look at him. Probably as much as Steelers needed to see their backup play entire game.

when did it become the eagles job to help out a 6-10 team make the playoffs? DO YOUR JOB and stop blaming others. You’re the 9th worst team.

how about a thank you for moving your pathetic team up 10 spots in draft and saving u the embarrassment of being worst ever playoff team and getting pasted by bucs.

Who are you responding to?

ICYMI - The Bucs needed a 2nd half rally and failed 2 point conversion attempt to avoid overtime and beat the Giants 25-23.

 

[NJHusky]

Again, I’ve never seen the Eagles have a “tank” situation. The Giants just recently “garbaged” their way into Jones and Barkley. Also, I see you neglected to mention the “cry baby” sorcery that landed the Giants Eli Manning. Please stop Giants fans. The Eagles need to rebuild and for once they decided to settle for a better pick. Boo Hoo. You have teams that have been doing this annually and forever. It was about a better pick and not the Giants “Tom Brady” Prom. Get the receipts and take the gowns back.

Win more games

No one is saying the giants are good. They sucked so they got high draft picks. But when they had chase young if they lost to Washington last year....they played to win and they did..and lost out on young. no One around the NFL is supporting what the iggles did

 

[BlueMAB]

So going for a td to take the lead rather than a fg to tie is playing to lose. Interesting.

Yes. The field goal ties the game. The odds of making a chip shot field goal vs the odds of making that conversion aren't close. It was a more risky call, with a lower rate of success, in a situation where you could tie the game late in the 3rd quarter.

Pulling your starter when down 6 points is playing to lose.

Sudfeld has been on the team since 2017.

They know exactly what they have with him.

 

[Horatio]

Considering their starter has expressed a desire to leave and the rookie was 7-20 that night for less than 100 yards (and barely above 50% a year), apparently they felt it was important to get a one and only look at him. Probably as much as Steelers needed to see their backup play entire game.

when did it become the eagles job to help out a 6-10 team make the playoffs? DO YOUR JOB and stop blaming others. You’re the 9th worst team.

how about a thank you for moving your pathetic team up 10 spots in draft and saving u the embarrassment of being worst ever playoff team and getting pasted by bucs.

Giants fans are upset because the Eagles didn’t care about their special playoff date with Tom Brady. The End. Ask them to discuss the “integrity” that went into getting Eli Manning.

 

[8893]

Giants fans are upset because the Eagles didn’t care about their special playoff date with Tom Brady. The End. Ask them to discuss the “integrity” that went into getting Eli Manning.

Giants fans, we know exactly how this goes, i.e., as painfully as possible.

Meaning the Giants will win, and Philly will have nine players out with Covid, including four starters.

Giants will manage to both hurt their draft position and miss the playoffs.

Well you can't say I didn't see it coming.

I'd expect nothing less from a franchise whose fans threw snowballs at Santa, and needed to have a courtroom and jail cells built into its stadium.

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

Giants fans, we know exactly how this goes, i.e., as painfully as possible.

Meaning the Giants will win, and Philly will have nine players out with Covid, including four starters.

Giants will manage to both hurt their draft position and miss the playoffs.

And two days later, I check in on this thread - starting at post 13, and knowing there are 200 more posts - wondering at what exact point the discussion will shift to the Eagles, er, helping their draft position.

The passed up field goal attempt?

EDIT: Oh darn, I forgot that after hitting send to post the above, I'd land at the most recent (#211) which coincidentally quotes #13.

All of the punchline and none of the process.

Maybe I just go do haiku, and save this for another time, if ever.

 

[Horatio]

This shouldn't be about the Giants and any of them whining about it is a bad look, this is about Pederson and the Eagles. What he did is a terrible look that lost him the locker room and embarrassed himself and the Eagles.

Eagles players, coaches were shocked by Doug Pederson’s QB switch, resulting in sideline confrontations

In many cases, Eagles players and assistants had no inclination that Nate Sudfeld was part of the offensive game plan, and if they did, they figured it had been abandoned because of the tight score.

www.inquirer.com

Well those same Eagles players should’ve reacted the same way when they stunk up the field all season. Carson Wentz was on track to get sacked about 65+ times. When he sat, it was up to fifty. Not gonna mention the DB’s being useless midgets, dropped passes, etc. In reality the entire NFC East was terrible and it wasn’t due to competition. It’s because of Coaching and GM’s. Giants get a pass in regards to that because their rebuilding. The Eagles need to rebuild and Doug pulled the QB for the pick. Giants didn’t go to the Prom because of it. Boo hoo

 

[Horatio]

Giants fans, this act of piracy is worse than the little thing the Eagles did if you wanna talk about “integrity”, “respect for the game”, etc. Please stop.

 

[navery12]

Giants fans, this act of piracy is worse than the little thing the Eagles did if you wanna talk about “integrity”, “respect for the game”, etc. Please stop.

And in return the Giants got the worse QB in the deal

 

[Horatio]

And in return the Giants got the worse QB in the deal

That won two Super Bowl’s. He got it done and fans harassed him to the end. SMH. Unbelievable. And no one gave the Giants grief for the criminal act of getting him. The Eagles “tank” one time in my lifetime and it’s a major problem.

 

[8893]

Giants fans, this act of piracy is worse than the little thing the Eagles did if you wanna talk about “integrity”, “respect for the game”, etc. Please stop.

The Eagles need to rebuild and Doug pulled the QB for the pick. Giants didn’t go to the Prom because of it. Boo hoo

Are the Giants responsible for the fact that Eli made clear he would refuse to play if drafted by San Diego?

Should they have refused the deal?

At least you admit that there is zero pretense of integrity on the part of the Eagles. They intentionally tanked the game.

You know, the same thing that got Pete Rose banned from baseball for life.

But keep up with the false equivalency. It's been awfully revealing so far.

 

[Horatio]

Are the Giants responsible for the fact that Eli made clear he would refuse to play if drafted by San Diego?

Should they have refused the deal?

At least you admit that there is zero pretense of integrity on the part of the Eagles. They intentionally tanked the game.

You know, the same thing that got Pete Rose banned from baseball for life.

But keep up with the false equivalency. It's been awfully revealing so far.

First of all Eli had nothing to do with it. His daddy handled that maneuver which makes it worse. Second, they manipulated the draft behind the scenes. Period. That’s not supposed to happen. Again, Wentz was on track to be sacked 65+ times this season until they sat him. Hurts got sacked 13 times in four games and they pulled him out of the last one. As a Eagles fan, I don’t like Doug and think he fumbled “tanking” but he got the sixth pick and hopefully that pick becomes QB protection. I’ll take that over Giant fans feelings

 

[8893]

First of all Eli had nothing to do with it. His daddy handled that maneuver which makes it worse. Second, they manipulated the draft behind the scenes. Period. That’s not supposed to happen. Again, Wentz was on track to be sacked 65+ times this season until they sat him. Hurts got sacked 13 times in four games and they pulled him out of the last one. As a Eagles fan, I don’t like Doug and think he fumbled “tanking” but he got the sixth pick and hopefully that pick becomes QB protection. I’ll take that over Giant fans feelings

I'm good with the karma.

 

[Scoe]

The majority of the outrage isn’t even Giants fans it’s the national media it’s even Eagle homers like Seth Joyner, and Sal Palontonio. You do whatever the hell you want, I could care less. You sit 9 starters, and pull your starting qb in the 4th quarter for a practice squad qb on a SNF game guess what your gonna hear a lot about it from the media, it comes with the territory.

Ill take the 11th pick and a motivated Giants team next year still have a lot of needs to address. Judge wasn’t getting judged (no pun intended) on his record in year 1, next year he is.

 

[Dean Wormer]

To be clear, I wish hurts finished the game. I’m not sold on him and wanted to see him in a tight game. But a team out of contention using the last game to evaluate players is not uncommon.

You need to stop whining about how deserving the g-women are after a masterful run that saw them win all of 6 (or 37.5%) of their games. If u wanted to make the playoffs, take all that integrity crap and win 7 frigging games. How did integrity in football get hijacked by losing teams and teams refusing to play?

You're just not getting it. The Jints put themselves in that position and I have yet to hear a Giants fan seriously upset about missing out because of this game. We didn't deserve it. Cool.
But that doesn't excuse that BS tank job on national TV by Pederson. Yet you keep bringing up past examples of Eli Manning, etc. as though that's the only issue here. It's not. In the same way that I hated seeing Favre fall down for Strahan's sack record, I hated Pederson cheating his players who were playing their hearts out, by treating this game like an exhibition. And if you seriously think evaluating Sudafield was the real reason Hurts was taken out, then I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn. It was a pissant move, no excuses needed.

 

[navery12]

You're just not getting it. The Jints put themselves in that position and I have yet to hear a Giants fan seriously upset about missing out because of this game. We didn't deserve it. Cool.
But that doesn't excuse that BS tank job on national TV by Pederson. Yet you keep bringing up past examples of Eli Manning, etc. as though that's the only issue here. It's not. In the same way that I hated seeing Favre fall down for Strahan's sack record, I hated Pederson cheating his players, who were playing their hearts out by treating this game like an exhibition. And if you seriously think evaluating Sudafield was the real reason Hurts was taken out, then I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn. It was a pissant move, no excuses needed.

Exactly, I don't care that the Giants missed the playoffs because they didn't deserve it. I don't even care that the Eagles sat most of their starters week 17, that's par for the course in any meaningless game across the NFL. But don't pull your rookie QB with 3 starts who in the middle of week 17 to evaluate the 4 year backup QB and tell me you're trying to win

 

[gioff2323]

If any of the objections were truly unbiased, we’d be hearing about Steelers intentionally tanking game so dolphins would not get in. What DP did was puzzling, at best, but let’s not feign integrity when the single fact is you’re upset that u didn’t get to the playoffs despite a 6-10 record.

This has nothing to do with integrity or tanking - lots of teams could’ve played more starters for longer in season. The jags tanked. The jets are so hopeless they tanked tanking. Lots of team pulled back reins once eliminated. If the hapless giants had not needed another team to do their job for them, this move would’ve been another example of an eliminated team resting nearly half their starters.

oh, and congrats for staying close to the 5 seed earlier in the season. You all really need a participation trophy. We can call it the ConIntegrity Trophy - disco May have some designs for u to use.